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Quote from: jokers10 on April 14, 2022, 05:26:15 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on April 13, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 13, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2021, 05:13:52 AM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 22, 2021, 03:13:55 AM

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He may have written the reddit article? He doesn't remember whether he did or not?
He could simply edit it by adding his Bitcointalk profile link to the bottom of the post, for example.

It sounds like a case of clumsiness and something that doesn't need to happen. But honestly not a reason I would ban someone. It definitely would be if he couldn't prove he owned that Reddit account though.

Why would anyone wait until they were banned before proving ownership of the content they copied? When it only takes a few seconds to copy the reference link and paste it wherever they are publishing the duplicate of their work? Isn't it better to include a reference to the original work, since the original will also get visibility? Self-plagiarism is a crime, and not every forum will give you the opportunity to prove you own the work.

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Everything in bitcointalk forum.about posts is that there's always a date of when it is posted so you will know that you own it. If you found a post and you think that the post is the same as yours then you can try CTRL + F and paste your post and see if it matches most/some of the words used in the post you think that it's plagiarized then it will highlight the plagiarized content. You should report it and that user will surely get banned unless that user have valid reason why that user shouldn't be banned.

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To be honest, the post wouldn't be plagiarised unless you duplicate it from somewhere else. Writing your own content by yourself wouldn't math with others anyway. But if you follow some articles during writing a post then there is a chance of matching content. In that case, you may use some free tools that mention above. Usually, we use that for plagiarism checks. Try to write content from your mind, just don't steal others' content.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2021, 05:13:52 AM

He may have written the reddit article? He doesn't remember whether he did or not?

I haven't heard about this particular case, but I am quite sure that we had similar incidents like that in the past. A user copying his own posts from social media or a personal blog to Bitcointalk. It should be easy to prove whether the original content is his or not. He could simply edit it by adding his Bitcointalk profile link to the bottom of the post, for example.

It sounds like a case of clumsiness and something that doesn't need to happen. But honestly not a reason I would ban someone. It definitely would be if he couldn't prove he owned that Reddit account though.

I agree with you completely. But, firstly, he did not appeal the revision of the ban. And secondly, we do not see the link to the author, which means that we have the right to think that this is the most common copying.
The Recent history of the RainbowKun farm, and dozens of banned accounts that copied messages from Reddit, taught me not to trust such posters.
Another example, yesterday's account ban.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58799869
Exactly the same story, copying from Reddit.
Maybe such cases of bans will teach users not to disdain and add links to their first posts on the network?

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 22, 2021, 03:13:55 AM

I'll tell you a slightly different story. The account very_452001 was recently blocked. Although we can see that this is an account with a fairly high rank, having been on the forum for several years, he did not bother to read the rules.
His story is that he may have written an article on Reddit, then directly copied it to the forum. And even though he was probably a single contributor for the two platforms, his account was blocked.

He may have written the reddit article? He doesn't remember whether he did or not?

I haven't heard about this particular case, but I am quite sure that we had similar incidents like that in the past. A user copying his own posts from social media or a personal blog to Bitcointalk. It should be easy to prove whether the original content is his or not. He could simply edit it by adding his Bitcointalk profile link to the bottom of the post, for example.

It sounds like a case of clumsiness and something that doesn't need to happen. But honestly not a reason I would ban someone. It definitely would be if he couldn't prove he owned that Reddit account though.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 21, 2021, 11:54:59 AM

A few tools to check plagiarism

https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/

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tool to check them using this https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/

I panicked.
I added the first 1,000 words of a thread (El Salvador Bond) of mine into that tool and I got 88% plagiarism!

Checking, I discovered the text was plagiarized from an obscure Italian writer from an old-style Bitcoin forum.

That tool basically splits your text into sentences and searches the web for those.
As bitcointalk.org is indexed, the text was correctly detected as plagiarism against my own thread where I cooped the text from.

phew... I could have guessed that.

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While Google searches are definitely enough in most instances, I'd recommend using search operators to narrow down the searches, it'll make the search engine much better, and refined to what your looking for. The majority of people are using Google or any search engine for that matter inefficiently, whereas introducing search operators while potentially time consuming learning, will speed up the process for more complicated searches. "Site:" for example is one I use pretty much everyday, you can also exclude sites which is a fantastic way of removing plagiarized posts from here in the search results.

However, if that fails most plagiarism checkers are okay, some more complex cases are definitely missed, however they are decent if you can't figure out search operators.

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Quote from: WePiggy on December 15, 2021, 03:36:44 PM

There are tools like turnitin and grammarly but these are academic and don't check against bitcointalk. Google results have dates on them and so do BTT posts, i guess that is the best way of determining who the original was

Checking plagarism test is better to use Google description of checking plagarism, in universities we use Google to check every work frame of students and especially during project defense and seminar presentation of any students, if you process these very well is okay that no difference between getting bitcoin plagarism and academic plagiarism, so with Google you get it clearly.

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I'll tell you a slightly different story. The account very_452001 was recently blocked. Although we can see that this is an account with a fairly high rank, having been on the forum for several years, he did not bother to read the rules.
His story is that he may have written an article on Reddit, then directly copied it to the forum. And even though he was probably a single contributor for the two platforms, his account was blocked.
Draw your conclusion. Even if you write something on other resources, do not hesitate to copy the link from where you copied even your post, otherwise, everything may end very badly for you. Because after the ban, it is quite difficult to prove that you could be the owner of the account on Reddit from which the post was moved here.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 21, 2021, 11:54:59 AM

When you see a poster usually make shit posts and one-lined posts but suddenly make a long post. It is good signal of something strange and perhaps wrong. Then you can use Google search to quickly find plagiarism. If you want to dig deeper, use tools.

Just a super stupid shitposter who doesn't know what a function of reference at the end of every post is for. At least it can make their posts unreported for plagiarism although they can still be deleted by moderators or moved due to repeated discussion. Generally many of them I think know what the ground rules of this forum are about post quality, but they don't want to go the extra mile to make it look more constructive as they are also getting paid even if the quality isn't according the standard.

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A few tools to check plagiarism

When you see a poster usually make shit posts and one-lined posts but suddenly make a long post. It is good signal of something strange and perhaps wrong. Then you can use Google search to quickly find plagiarism. If you want to dig deeper, use tools.

Fortunately, most of shitposters commit plagiarism very clearly so you don't need any special tool to detect them. Google search is enough.

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Quote from: Bovtheart on December 15, 2021, 09:55:08 AM

Let suppose i write a 150 - 300 words on any topic here on bitcointalk. After sometime i see same text is published on one another site. So in this case the 3rd party site has plagiarised the content and not me. How will i be able to proof this ?

Why would you want to do that? In the event that your post is reported for plagiarism, your post will be manually reviewed by moderators before any action is taken against you. In such a case, it will be sufficient to compare the timestamps to determine which content came first.

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Quote from: Bovtheart on December 15, 2021, 09:55:08 AM

Same question about how googles treat this. If one site pubish a content and after few minutes another site copies and publish same content, how to tell which one is original and which is copy?

Google treats the copies as plagiarism depending on the penguin update how they drop their rank on Google rankings.
And it always depends on the time who is the first one and the copied one.

Take note copyscape is an advanced tool like the above mention it could detect all possible copies of contents from your post.
Also take note of Grammarly they also have features to detect plagiarism so while you are creating content it will let you know if your content is plagiarism.

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There are some tools to check plagiarism both free or paid tools such as https://www.copyscape.com/ , https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/ , and others. Commonly paid plagiarism checkers will offer more specific and also better details and more sources.
Btw, you may not need to worry if someday your posts or articles or publications may be same with others because of some reasons.
If someone consider that your publications or other people do plagiarism, they can check it by using that plagiarism checkers. And the plagiarism checker will work by crawling data by identifying some elements, crawling from all sources in Google, website, journals, forum, and other publications.
There will be showed the platform including every sentence that is similar. And we can also check which are actually plagiarized from the posted date of the publications or posts itself.
And there are some portions that consider the text or sentences are plagiarism or not.

Btw, you may need also to check the completed information here, there also some percentage of acceptable plagiarism to be considered, but of course, it will depend on who are reviewing the plagiarism:
https://plagiarismsearch.com/how-plagiarism-checker-work.html

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There are tools like turnitin and grammarly but these are academic and don't check against bitcointalk. Google results have dates on them and so do BTT posts, i guess that is the best way of determining who the original was

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Quote from: hugeblack on December 15, 2021, 01:53:45 PM

Quote from: Bovtheart on December 15, 2021, 09:55:08 AM

Let suppose i write a 150 - 300 words on any topic here on bitcointalk. After sometime i see same text is published on one another site. So in this case the 3rd party site has plagiarised the content and not me. How will i be able to proof this ?

In order for your account to be banned, it must be manually reviewed (if its rank is high), and therefore it is easy to determine who has plagiarized by looking at the date of publication and the timing of publication, and therefore the rule is that you did not plagiarize unless this is proven.

If you wrote the post yourself and did not do plagiarism, it is rare that you will be banned because of something wrong, and you can complain if it happens.

In general, always quote, don't try plagiarism and you'll be safe.

Exactly, if anyone has not done plagiarism, he should not be worried at all. There are enough tools available online which can determine who wrote the post first and who copied it. In my stay here for few years, I haven't seen anyone being penalized if he has not done plagiarism. The accounts get banned if you really have copy pasted the text from here or anywhere on the web.

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Quote from: Bovtheart on December 15, 2021, 09:55:08 AM

Let suppose i write a 150 - 300 words on any topic here on bitcointalk. After sometime i see same text is published on one another site. So in this case the 3rd party site has plagiarised the content and not me. How will i be able to proof this ?

In order for your account to be banned, it must be manually reviewed (if its rank is high), and therefore it is easy to determine who has plagiarized by looking at the date of publication and the timing of publication, and therefore the rule is that you did not plagiarize unless this is proven.

If you wrote the post yourself and did not do plagiarism, it is rare that you will be banned because of something wrong, and you can complain if it happens.

In general, always quote, don't try plagiarism and you'll be safe.

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Posts here have a published date, most forums or content publishing sites generally have the same thing except it's blogger (or similar) which you can hide with customization. However I believe it can still be identified by some method (say by page inspection or something else).

Google's search algorithm will display based on the SEO score of a site (maybe I'm wrong), and based on the amount of advertising money you give to google (lol). Google cannot be used as a reference to detect plagiarism.

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