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Topic: How does one safely deposit large USD amounts ($50k-$100k) after selling BTC? (Read 10774 times)

hero member
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Since the IRS has declared btc to be property, be sure to hold large amounts 1yr +1 day so you can get capital gains treatment.

What happens if you sell it before a year is up? What is the tax % then?

And what is it compared to if you hold it for over a year?




-edit- nevermind. I found a good answer to my question here:

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalgainstreatment.asp

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Definition of 'Capital Gains Treatment'

The specific taxes assessed on investment capital gains as determined by the U.S. Tax Code. When a stock is sold for a profit, the portion of the proceeds over and above the purchase value (or cost basis) is known as capital gains. Capital gains tax is broken down into two categories: short-term capital gains and long-term capital gains. Stocks held longer than one year are considered long term for the treatment of any capital gains, and are taxed a maximum of 15% depending on the investor's tax bracket. Stocks held less than one year are subject to short-term capital gains at a maximum rate of 35% depending again on the investor's tax bracket.
sr. member
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withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.

In a casino this is called structuring....same thing with banks.  Illegal.  Great way to not only throw flags, but get all your funds seized for good.

DO NOT DO

Yep!
newbie
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withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.

In a casino this is called structuring....same thing with banks.  Illegal.  Great way to not only throw flags, but get all your funds seized for good.

DO NOT DO
hero member
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What's wrong with saying "I sold some btc?" Just pay your taxes and you'll be fine.

I guess I wasn't sure how banks/government viewed the subject of bitcoin and how that might affect my banking experience. Thanks though, I think I have less to worry about than I thought.


You have nothing to worry about. Sell it however works best for you. You are selling something and that is OK to do. It doesn't matter if it's gold, silver, land, stocks, or bitcoins. Bitcoins are legal to own and legal to sell.  It doesn't matter if the bank files reports on the transaction because you are conducting legal activity. Any reports filed are done to comply with regulations, not because it is illegal to deposit large amounts of money in your account. No government agency is going to sieze your funds because it was a large transaction. The bank isn't going to ask you what the money was from.

Tax evasion is a crime. If you don't report it on your taxes when you file, the IRS may want to talk to you. Like the saying goes... "Only two things in life are certain, death and taxes."

Much appreciated post. That was exactly an answer to my question.
newbie
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You have nothing to worry about. Sell it however works best for you. You are selling something and that is OK to do. It doesn't matter if it's gold, silver, land, stocks, or bitcoins. Bitcoins are legal to own and legal to sell.  It doesn't matter if the bank files reports on the transaction because you are conducting legal activity. Any reports filed are done to comply with regulations, not because it is illegal to deposit large amounts of money in your account. No government agency is going to sieze your funds because it was a large transaction. The bank isn't going to ask you what the money was from.

Tax evasion is a crime. If you don't report it on your taxes when you file, the IRS may want to talk to you. Like the saying goes... "Only two things in life are certain, death and taxes."

hero member
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What's wrong with saying "I sold some btc?" Just pay your taxes and you'll be fine.
hero member
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The funny thing about this thread, to me, is that it's a worry about something that may not even be relevant if bitcoin reaches these values.  If we get to the point where bitcoins are worth 50K or more, it'll likely be so widely accepted that you won't need to convert it to USD, you'll just be able to spend it like you would dollars.

That will be true at some point but I am asking about 2-8 months in the future. I don't think a single BTC will be worth $50,000 in 2-8 months.

But yes, the future definitely holds easier lives for all of us bitcoiners.
hero member
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The funny thing about this thread, to me, is that it's a worry about something that may not even be relevant if bitcoin reaches these values.  If we get to the point where bitcoins are worth 50K or more, it'll likely be so widely accepted that you won't need to convert it to USD, you'll just be able to spend it like you would dollars.
sr. member
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withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.

Color me stunned. After all the factual info here in this thread about why this is a bad idea, you don't 'think' flags are raised? I don't believe you're thinking at all.

This is a special sort of activity for which the regulators are on alert. At least here in the land of the formerly free and the home of the cowed. They deem it important enough that they have their own pet term for it (structuring? - don't remember). But finagling your financial transactions in a way to purposely skirt the limits in place is also considered criminal, and earns you a special spot on their hit list.

Does this suck? In my mind yes. Is it fair? In my mind no. But this is the world in which we live.

If you want to play Amerikan roulette in this manner, then I guess that is your right. But please don't drag others to the gulag due to your ignorance.

Yep; they call it "structuring", in that withdrawals are structured and timed so as to avoid reporting by the banks.

It's a crime now here in the People's Republic.
sr. member
Activity: 476
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withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.

Not entirely correct, as any withdrawal over about USD 9K can trigger a report, a single withdrawal of USD 9999.oo will trigger both a cash withdrawal as well as a SAR; suspicious activity report.

If you ask the bank if a withdrawal is going to be reported, the law mandates that it must be, even if it were expempt before you asked.

The federal government is very, very concerned about your cash.
legendary
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lose: unfind ... loose: untight
withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.

Color me stunned. After all the factual info here in this thread about why this is a bad idea, you don't 'think' flags are raised? I don't believe you're thinking at all.

This is a special sort of activity for which the regulators are on alert. At least here in the land of the formerly free and the home of the cowed. They deem it important enough that they have their own pet term for it (structuring? - don't remember). But finagling your financial transactions in a way to purposely skirt the limits in place is also considered criminal, and earns you a special spot on their hit list.

Does this suck? In my mind yes. Is it fair? In my mind no. But this is the world in which we live.

If you want to play Amerikan roulette in this manner, then I guess that is your right. But please don't drag others to the gulag due to your ignorance.
donator
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Gerald Davis
So I guess now the question is: Has anyone had a bank deposit coming from coinbase trigger a SAR report (Suspicious Activity Report)?
probably Smiley

I should clarify:

So I guess now the question is: Has anyone had a large bank deposit ($50k-$100k) coming from Coinbase trigger a SAR report (Suspicious Activity Report) which resulted in difficulty/inability to get the funds?

A SAR is just a report.  You make the transaction, and financial institution(s) files the report(s).  No financial institution has police powers.  They don't have the authority to seize suspected funds.  That is the job of law enforcement and it requires due process not suspicion.  If law enforcement is filing warrants to have your assets seized as part of a criminal investigation a SAR or CTR is the least of your worries.
hero member
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withdraw $9999 each time. and open multiple accounts

This.

Under $10,000 no flags are raised. I don't think.
hero member
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Merit: 1003
legendary
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If you are on the up and up, you really won't notice either way.

Yeah everything is honest here and I pay my taxes and such

Then no worries.  The worst I've had so far is my branch teller called and asked a few questions about bitcoin because their internal audit had questions (*cough*cough*).

I've also had over $200k in paypal hit the same account without issues.


When they asked a few questions about bitcoin, what did you tell them? And what was their response?

That it's a digital currency and the IRS and FINCEN have already issued statements on it so their audit folks need to brush up Smiley  They were fine with it then.
legendary
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Depsoiting is perfectly safe and seucre.

It's getting out  tons of fiat cash that gets sticky.

Well then I've already accomplished the difficult part Wink

Remember, if you're going to get rich, do it in the dark.

Solid advice!  I figure 'they' have already got a nice file on me anyways since I'm a licensed professional, international wire transfers, mdse received direct from China, 1099s, K-1s, etc.
hero member
Activity: 907
Merit: 1003
If you are on the up and up, you really won't notice either way.

Yeah everything is honest here and I pay my taxes and such

Then no worries.  The worst I've had so far is my branch teller called and asked a few questions about bitcoin because their internal audit had questions (*cough*cough*).

I've also had over $200k in paypal hit the same account without issues.


When they asked a few questions about bitcoin, what did you tell them? And what was their response?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Depsoiting is perfectly safe and seucre.

It's getting out  tons of fiat cash that gets sticky.

Well then I've already accomplished the difficult part Wink

Remember, if you're going to get rich, do it in the dark.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
If you are on the up and up, you really won't notice either way.

Yeah everything is honest here and I pay my taxes and such

Then no worries.  The worst I've had so far is my branch teller called and asked a few questions about bitcoin because their internal audit had questions (*cough*cough*).

I've also had over $200k in paypal hit the same account without issues.
hero member
Activity: 907
Merit: 1003
If you are on the up and up, you really won't notice either way.

Yeah everything is honest here and I pay my taxes and such
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