How has Satoshi's identity never been revealed ? - page 3.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on April 28, 2024, 01:03:15 PM

Privacy is a significant part of Bitcoin, even though it's not a fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Satoshi seemed to want to stay private, and that person was competent enough to not disclose private information. Perhaps the governments got interested and noticed Satoshi too late, when Satoshi has disappeared, so it wasn't possible to uncover Satoshi's identity. But maybe no authorities were interested enough and resourceful enough at the same time to learn who that person was. Right now, there's probably not enough interest in it, as Satoshi doesn't actively influence any decisions nowadays. Maybe there's a taxation angle, but maybe not, and maybe it's not worth pursuing.

Even Satoshi cannot change anything on the bitcoin network without community consensus. The government knows that so they don't want to spend too much time and money hunting him down because that won't help them change anything on the bitcoin network. Only long-time bitcoin investors or maximalist bitcoin investors with their curiosity always want to trace his whereabouts, not too many people are interested in who Satoshi is. If we ask new investors entering the market this year, they certainly will not know who he is and will not care about Satoshi's identity. What they care about is how to make the highest profit when investing in bitcoin.

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Satoshi is not anonymous as other commenters profess to believe.

Satoshi is Craig Wright, didn't you peasents know?

Satoshi has returned, flipped his previous years of maticulious privacy and security measures, and has decided to make a loud bozo out of himself in a courtroom.

Craig is the real satoshi, obviously.

case closed.

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 07:45:28 AM

Hello,

I'm wondering how Satoshi has managed to remain anonymous. Governments and high-level institutions have expressed interest in knowing his identity, and some have even tried to employ significant resources to find him, as evidenced by certain news reports.

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

His emails also surfaced during Craig Wright's trial. How is it that the email provider does not have IP and other information? Even behind a VPN, I believe that major institutions have the means to request the real IP from the VPN provider.

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

Yes, maybe Satoshi has a higher knowledge of data encryption so he becomes very secretive, unlike criminals who don't do it as well as Satoshi.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on April 28, 2024, 01:22:31 PM

And I would not say that TOR nodes are easily monitored. Otherwise every illegal Dark Web website would be seized by now. The ones that do get seized are because of bad OPSEC in what feels like 99% of the cases.

Yep, there is usually some slip up - no matter how minute - that brings them down. I remember when AlphaBay came back under DeSnake, who was a co-admin of the first AlphaBay, he said he believed that Alexandre Cazes - the founder of AB - was uncovered as a result of "illegal spying" practices and that the government engaged in "parallel construction" of a case that supported their discoveries as a result of the spying. Like, they said they discovered who he was in one way but actually they had "illegally" mined Google or Hotmail data or whatever to figure out who he was.

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on April 26, 2024, 08:11:04 AM

It was 2009-2010, not 2024. If Satoshi started Bitcoin today, it would be difficult for him to hide his identity.

That's just the truth. He, they knew too well the verdict and decided their fate way earlier than anyone realized what they did (even though it was a good project). Why did SATOSHI suddenly disappear just when everything was set to run for the next decade?
You know what? I always feel he's/they're still at the corner - maybe with different identities entirely..
^{It's a shame that the governments are all out for any project that either grant a user's freedom maintains their privacy.}

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 26, 2024, 02:47:59 PM

And IP address is not the same as identity. It often links to identity if someone is using the Internet from their home, but if a public WiFi is used, IP won't reveal much,

TOR onion browser is already a privacy guarantor...enhh, but they could also be curious to know him/them? Unless they didn't even care about the users personality as well.

Stop spreading this lie. TOR with default settings doesn't protect anyone from anything. TOR nodes can be easily monitored for traffic, thus de-anonymizing anyone who hasn't set up TOR correctly.

We need to move away from .onion routing and use I2P.

Satoshi's anonymity primarily stems from the fact that people only began to care and search for the identity after the fact. Initially, when it was just an idea or a meme internet currency worth very little, no one paid much attention to the identity. By the time the majority wanted to know more, many clues had already been lost to time. Additionally, Satoshi's privacy knowledge further contributed to maintaining anonymity.

I2P would be a better alternative but it offers very little functionality compared to TOR.

And I would not say that TOR nodes are easily monitored. Otherwise every illegal Dark Web website would be seized by now. The ones that do get seized are because of bad OPSEC in what feels like 99% of the cases.

But either way, it would take government-level resources and pre-planning to track someone on TOR. the government was not looking for Satoshi back then and he is no longer connecting or making connections to his old persona now. If he were to use TOR and identify himself as Satoshi now, then he might get caught.

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Privacy is a significant part of Bitcoin, even though it's not a fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Satoshi seemed to want to stay private, and that person was competent enough to not disclose private information. Perhaps the governments got interested and noticed Satoshi too late, when Satoshi has disappeared, so it wasn't possible to uncover Satoshi's identity. But maybe no authorities were interested enough and resourceful enough at the same time to learn who that person was. Right now, there's probably not enough interest in it, as Satoshi doesn't actively influence any decisions nowadays. Maybe there's a taxation angle, but maybe not, and maybe it's not worth pursuing.

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I guess that the main reason why he still anonymous is a few years between his dissepiar and interest in his person. All logs was deleted by that date

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Or maybe we can apply Occam’s Razor here.

And simply put, he can't really be identified even if we know his ip address, his well known email address, or what time he post here in the community, or if Satoshi is just a single person or group of individuals.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on April 28, 2024, 05:20:54 AM

The answer seems obvious to me. Bitcoin was created as an experiment, and to exploit the creativity of the creative programmers. It was given to us with various caps and restrictions to prevent it ever becoming the dominant payment service in the world. The creators were the central banks and financial elite, and they kept back a million Bitcoin as a security for future manipulation and control, or maybe it was just an investment. The project has been massively successful, and is now being used by the financial organisations for their own purposes. We are lucky to be riding on the tail of this success, and will be able to reap the benefits as it starts to find its planned level.

i don't like this theory. I prefer to think of Satoshi as the genius that most people say he is.

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Satoshi already knew about privacy and anonymity and had been using privacy techniques to safeguard himself.
On top of that, it has been so many years after his disappearance that people started to find him.
Even the logs would have been delted by the time and since he had been using privacy techniques, it made it very difficult for others to get hold of his identity.
He was truly a genius indeed.

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Quote from: ArumiBTC on April 28, 2024, 06:29:31 AM

The authority may already know his true identity but decide to keep it secret. Personally, I believe in the "deep state" and they are not always carry ill-intent.

I doubt this very conspiracy theory, i believe if the the U.S government knows who Satoshi is, they would have made it public and tried to use it in one way or another to attack BTC and maybe discredit it. I say so because that is what they love to do, just as they are going after BTC through its privacy solutions and privacy enhancing wallets right now, claiming that they are all being used for money laundering.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on April 26, 2024, 08:11:04 AM

We know that he/they was/were using Tor, shy, cautious, and had enough experience to hide his identity, and what helped Satoshi is that talking about Bitcoin and interest in it began in 2013, 3 years after his disappearance, and it is difficult to find a service that records junk data for 3 years.

It was 2009-2010, not 2024. If Satoshi started Bitcoin today, it would be difficult for him to hide his identity.

this was discussed by my lecturer in a lecture where he said that satoshi was impossible to track because he started his project in 2009, which was when internet technology was not as sophisticated as it is today. he explained that satoshi was very skilled in computers and very skilled at hiding his identity on the internet because he was not only good at computers but also at cryptography. therefore, because of this, he will never return to the world of bitcoin, because in the fraction of a second he accesses the device or wallet he has today, his location will be immediately tracked.

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 07:45:28 AM

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

You need to read these
I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread.
Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules?

The second topic raises an opinion that trying to find identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is like doxing the founder of Bitcoin in my understanding of forum rules.

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Quote from: SamReomo on April 26, 2024, 07:52:04 AM

i was a true geek and he knew everything about the privacy, and anonymity, and when he created and released that anonymity and privacy he did it carefully so no one could actually know his true identity. I know that each organization has some predictions about him but no one actually know who Satoshi was.

I totally agree with SamReomo that Satoshi is a true geek and he knew about privacy and anonymity he probably still alive right now and still watch bitcoin goes up and down but he decided to stay hidden, If I were satotshi Im would do exactly the same like this by watching the world pace forward while keeping the distance I mean there is no really benefit to show up right now and maybe there are people know about this satoshi but they also keep their mouth shut.

Even tho Government has a tool to reveal the satoshi and then what he is not a criminal so why bother ? Right?

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Quote from: Rabbitqt on April 26, 2024, 06:07:49 PM

Stop spreading this lie. TOR with default settings doesn't protect anyone from anything. TOR nodes can be easily monitored for traffic, thus de-anonymizing anyone who hasn't set up TOR correctly.

We need to move away from .onion routing and use I2P.

You are aware that everyone who uses I2P has their IP address displayed to all users of the network, right? I'm not sure its actually better than TOR in that regard.

Quote from: Jet Cash on April 28, 2024, 05:20:54 AM

The answer seems obvious to me. Bitcoin was created as an experiment, and to exploit the creativity of the creative programmers. It was given to us with various caps and restrictions to prevent it ever becoming the dominant payment service in the world. The creators were the central banks and financial elite, and they kept back a million Bitcoin as a security for future manipulation and control, or maybe it was just an investment. The project has been massively successful, and is now being used by the financial organisations for their own purposes. We are lucky to be riding on the tail of this success, and will be able to reap the benefits as it starts to find its planned level.

As far as conspiracy theories go, this is probably one of the better ones I ever heard.

Additionally, TOR itself was created by the government, as was SHA-2, so its not entirely a far fetched idea to think that Bitcoin itself is also a product of the government.

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The authority may already know his true identity but decide to keep it secret. Personally, I believe in the "deep state" and they are not always carry ill-intent.

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 07:45:28 AM

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I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Excuse me? Is he wanted? Or do you now know that invasion of privacy is a violation of one’s right? Satoshi is not a criminal group. And I believe that they prepared to be anonymous which makes sense as to why they can’t be found. For a group of people who developed a cryptocurrency without having to copy someone’s idea or codes (like we see with Altcoins today), I believe they are really smart (it’s makes sense that they can’t be traced).

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Satoshi never revealed himself and he has also maintained anonymity till date.Ultimately,there's no real evidence about the identity of bitcoin's creator,whether he'll appear from nowhere and reveal himself to the world still remains unknown to us all.
And there's still no possibility of finding his true identity.
If Bitcoin's creator identity is eventually revealed,it could trigger a lasting change,or withdrawal from users or even lead to furtherance losses.

Although the government and some other investigation/research institution are worried about the disappearance,and its because sato shi has no illegal record or activity that could justify the crimes.
Mind you,satoshi could read all of these threads in the forum and just smile to himself😊I mean that guy was deeply aware and intentional of his actions all along by leaving no traces behind...

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 07:45:28 AM

Hello,

I'm wondering how Satoshi has managed to remain anonymous. Governments and high-level institutions have expressed interest in knowing his identity, and some have even tried to employ significant resources to find him, as evidenced by certain news reports.

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

His emails also surfaced during Craig Wright's trial. How is it that the email provider does not have IP and other information? Even behind a VPN, I believe that major institutions have the means to request the real IP from the VPN provider.

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

you know? even I sometimes wonder how he is able to hide his identity since 2010, you know that? it's like he really planned what he had to do because the actions and concealment he does are clean. as you mentioned, the other criminals are caught using their IP address, that's because they did something bad so I don't think we should look for Satoshi especially since he didn't do anything bad, it's better if we should let him go if he doesn't want to show up but I believe he's just watching this forum using a different account since now and then.

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The reality is, no one actually knows for sure. Perhaps Satoshi was a single person, or maybe a group of people working together and they might've used some pretty sophisticated methods to stay anonymous online, or perhaps they simply got lucky. Regardless they disappeared like a digital magician. And that air of mystery is part of Satoshi's whole mystique. However, don't believe complete online anonymity is truly feasible. Theres regularly some kind of digital footprint left behind, however faint.

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