How has Satoshi's identity never been revealed ? - page 3.

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Quote from: nutildah on April 28, 2024, 09:42:22 PM

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

I have no qualms about paying my taxes, either. But then again I live in a very good country. Can't say the same of people living under the boot of a dictator like in NK Lips sealed

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What if the people in NK are the free ones and you inside a western democracy are the one enslaved?

Watch this film produced in NK to gain a much wider perspective on this issue: https://www.bitchute.com/video/xVdNPKAoxbp8/

I have seen that video already. A bunch of what-aboutism and emotional finger pointing. Of course every country has done something bad in their past, but we need to move past that or remain in a perpetual Quid-Pro-Quo situation, which is counterproductive.

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Satoshi Nakamoto, was or is a genius, and before creating Bitcoin, he knew that he was going to disappear and remain anonymous, so from the onset he must have been erasing every tracks that'll reveal his identity. Bitcoin, just like this forum is all about privacy and that is what Satoshi, is all about, and I hope that he's true identity is never revealed, because it'll end this fairytale about who he truly is.

A guy was joking about Satoshi's disappearance, that he probably was a very rich fraudster, who did something good by creating Bitcoin, and going under with his wealth, that it's probably why he didn't want his identity to be known, so that the authorities will not come after him. I told the guy that he's entitled to his opinion, and no matter what anybody thinks about Satoshi Nakamoto, he has created a legacy that'll outlive most of us that are alive today.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on April 29, 2024, 06:19:55 AM

Quote from: nutildah on April 28, 2024, 09:42:22 PM

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

I have no qualms about paying my taxes, either. But then again I live in a very good country. Can't say the same of people living under the boot of a dictator like in NK Lips sealed

.

What if the people in NK are the free ones and you inside a western democracy are the one enslaved?

Watch this film produced in NK to gain a much wider perspective on this issue: https://www.bitchute.com/video/xVdNPKAoxbp8/

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Quote from: nutildah on April 28, 2024, 09:42:22 PM

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

I have no qualms about paying my taxes, either. But then again I live in a very good country. Can't say the same of people living under the boot of a dictator like in NK Lips sealed

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 06:45:28 AM

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It is impossible to find someone you yourself (secret government services) lost. Grin

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 06:45:28 AM

Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Yes, the cybercriminals get caught because they are criminals and they do something which harms others while Satoshi Nakamoto made something that has changed the world and that's why he's still safe from anyone's hands.

Now even those who write the code in the apps (the creators of tornadocash and samurai wallet) are called criminals, accusing them of money laundering, illegal transactions, etc., but we know what the true reason for their persecution is (the fight against confidentiality and privacy). Purely technically, Satoshi can also be accused of such “sins” and this would be a good reason for government organizations to start hunting for him (the legal right to initiate a criminal case allows them to begin searching for and determining his identity closely).

Quote from: SamReomo on April 26, 2024, 06:52:04 AM

Satoshi was a true geek and he knew everything about the privacy, and anonymity, and when he created and released that anonymity and privacy he did it carefully so no one could actually know his true identity. I know that each organization has some predictions about him but no one actually know who Satoshi was.

There are no perfect ~~crimes~~ actions on the Internet, and Satoshi could have made a mistake somewhere and left clues for his de-anonymization.

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I've read that Satoshi used six or seven VPN's in series, every time he emailed. At the time, the NSA wasn't set up to trace things like that, yet. Now that the NSA has been given both, control of the Internet, and much bigger, faster computers, if Satoshi tried it now that way, they just might be able to track him down.

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Quote from: Btcdeybodi on April 28, 2024, 10:52:24 PM

How sure are you and what prove do you have to show that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto? Though he can come out in another identity but may not also want to make it obvious that he is still around because with the kind of mad technology that is in place now, if anyone brings convincible facts to prove they are Satoshi Nakamoto like bring a solid proof of ownership by signing any of the Bitcoin addresses he used in the past before his disappearance he will not be as smart as before to abscond the government this time around because they will do everything necessary to make sure his true identity in reality is known.

But with the level of creativity and high level of intellectual capacity that Satoshi Nakamoto possess, he can still manipulate his identity to make it difficult for anyone to know his real identity because with the high sensitive technology that have been in existence since satoshi left bitcoin development for over a decade and to see that none have been able to trace his real identity is some kind of misery of the highest.

Please read that again, it's sarcasm and he isn't proving a point with it. Roll Eyes

Anyone with their senses in the right place would know what a clown Craig is and how he has been trying to gain attention and popularity using Satoshi's name and to be honest, he has been quite successful with that, not gonna lie. We have been seeing him and his name everywhere for as long as he started saying that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, and since we have been giving him what he was looking for, it's been a mission successful for him, I guess. Roll Eyes

Anyway, that clown would barely be able to code a "Hello World!" application in Python and still try to prove that he is someone who is one of the smartest people of our era.

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 06:45:28 AM

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

Thousands or hundreds of people want to know the figure of Satoshi Nakamoto but to this day his identity is still not revealed to the public. No one knows other than himself how to hide the identity and he managed to become anonymous or even until he died.
Cyber criminals may commit crimes so that they are hunted in various ways, it does not mean that Satoshi Nakamoto is not hunted but he has the ability to hide himself. Let's just say he is dead or has lived in an unhabant debt because discussing his identity will not give any results now.

This kind of topic has been discussed so much, various assumptions were born with their identity, but no one knows its identity now. He is a supernatural man or may be able to disappear in seconds. Who knows?

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Quote from: Eclipse33 on April 28, 2024, 10:27:22 PM

Satoshi is not anonymous as other commenters profess to believe.

Satoshi is Craig Wright, didn't you peasents know?

Satoshi has returned, flipped his previous years of maticulious privacy and security measures, and has decided to make a loud bozo out of himself in a courtroom.

Craig is the real satoshi, obviously.

case closed.

how can you be so sure? the trial was last month and he turned out to be a liar! he couldn't prove it.
The group’s expert witnesses said they found hallmarks of backdated edits, created or altered using versions of software that did not exist at the time the documents were supposedly made. One document contained traces of the involvement of ChatGPT in its creation, despite the fact that the software did not exist until years after the document was supposedly written.
the original document describing bitcoin had been made using OpenOffice software, while the version provided by Wright had been written using a tool called LaTeX.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on April 26, 2024, 07:11:04 AM

We know that he/they was/were using Tor, shy, cautious, and had enough experience to hide his identity, and what helped Satoshi is that talking about Bitcoin and interest in it began in 2013, 3 years after his disappearance, and it is difficult to find a service that records junk data for 3 years.

It was 2009-2010, not 2024. If Satoshi started Bitcoin today, it would be difficult for him to hide his identity.

Another important factor is that those that pursue anonymity often lose it when they want to convert their coins to fiat, so we have seen cases of hackers which got caught as a particular set of coins was linked to their real identity, but Satoshi has never touched his coins, and as long as he decides to keep this policy it will be very difficult to catch him, besides even if security agencies around the world gave their attention to bitcoin back then, it is unlikely they thought it was as big of a deal as it became, so the investigation they did at the time may not have been as comprehensive as we think, and a lot of information which could have been used to identify him has been lost forever.

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Quote from: Eclipse33 on April 28, 2024, 10:27:22 PM

Satoshi is not anonymous as other commenters profess to believe.

Satoshi is Craig Wright, didn't you peasents know?

Satoshi has returned, flipped his previous years of maticulious privacy and security measures, and has decided to make a loud bozo out of himself in a courtroom.

Craig is the real satoshi, obviously.

case closed.

How sure are you and what prove do you have to show that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto? Though he can come out in another identity but may not also want to make it obvious that he is still around because with the kind of mad technology that is in place now, if anyone brings convincible facts to prove they are Satoshi Nakamoto like bring a solid proof of ownership by signing any of the Bitcoin addresses he used in the past before his disappearance he will not be as smart as before to abscond the government this time around because they will do everything necessary to make sure his true identity in reality is known.

But with the level of creativity and high level of intellectual capacity that Satoshi Nakamoto possess, he can still manipulate his identity to make it difficult for anyone to know his real identity because with the high sensitive technology that have been in existence since satoshi left bitcoin development for over a decade and to see that none have been able to trace his real identity is some kind of misery of the highest.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on April 28, 2024, 12:03:15 PM

Privacy is a significant part of Bitcoin, even though it's not a fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Satoshi seemed to want to stay private, and that person was competent enough to not disclose private information. Perhaps the governments got interested and noticed Satoshi too late, when Satoshi has disappeared, so it wasn't possible to uncover Satoshi's identity. But maybe no authorities were interested enough and resourceful enough at the same time to learn who that person was. Right now, there's probably not enough interest in it, as Satoshi doesn't actively influence any decisions nowadays. Maybe there's a taxation angle, but maybe not, and maybe it's not worth pursuing.

Even Satoshi cannot change anything on the bitcoin network without community consensus. The government knows that so they don't want to spend too much time and money hunting him down because that won't help them change anything on the bitcoin network. Only long-time bitcoin investors or maximalist bitcoin investors with their curiosity always want to trace his whereabouts, not too many people are interested in who Satoshi is. If we ask new investors entering the market this year, they certainly will not know who he is and will not care about Satoshi's identity. What they care about is how to make the highest profit when investing in bitcoin.

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Satoshi is not anonymous as other commenters profess to believe.

Satoshi is Craig Wright, didn't you peasents know?

Satoshi has returned, flipped his previous years of maticulious privacy and security measures, and has decided to make a loud bozo out of himself in a courtroom.

Craig is the real satoshi, obviously.

case closed.

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Quote from: boldfi on April 26, 2024, 06:45:28 AM

Hello,

I'm wondering how Satoshi has managed to remain anonymous. Governments and high-level institutions have expressed interest in knowing his identity, and some have even tried to employ significant resources to find him, as evidenced by certain news reports.

However, Satoshi did use an account on this forum, along with an email address. All connections to this forum logged his IP address/user-agent and other digital traces.

His emails also surfaced during Craig Wright's trial. How is it that the email provider does not have IP and other information? Even behind a VPN, I believe that major institutions have the means to request the real IP from the VPN provider.

I don't want his identity to be revealed ! But I'm simply wondering how he has managed to evade the most powerful entities since 2010. Even with current anonymization technologies, the most prominent cybercriminals/activists get caught.

Forgive me if this topic has been covered or if it seems silly to you, but I am amazed by the myth of Satoshi

Yes, maybe Satoshi has a higher knowledge of data encryption so he becomes very secretive, unlike criminals who don't do it as well as Satoshi.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on April 28, 2024, 12:22:31 PM

And I would not say that TOR nodes are easily monitored. Otherwise every illegal Dark Web website would be seized by now. The ones that do get seized are because of bad OPSEC in what feels like 99% of the cases.

Yep, there is usually some slip up - no matter how minute - that brings them down. I remember when AlphaBay came back under DeSnake, who was a co-admin of the first AlphaBay, he said he believed that Alexandre Cazes - the founder of AB - was uncovered as a result of "illegal spying" practices and that the government engaged in "parallel construction" of a case that supported their discoveries as a result of the spying. Like, they said they discovered who he was in one way but actually they had "illegally" mined Google or Hotmail data or whatever to figure out who he was.

I just assume the government knows who I am and what I'm doing all the time, and just try not to do things that they might care so much about. Usually what they do care about involves massive amounts of untaxed money, so I'm pretty safe in that regard.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on April 26, 2024, 07:11:04 AM

It was 2009-2010, not 2024. If Satoshi started Bitcoin today, it would be difficult for him to hide his identity.

That's just the truth. He, they knew too well the verdict and decided their fate way earlier than anyone realized what they did (even though it was a good project). Why did SATOSHI suddenly disappear just when everything was set to run for the next decade?
You know what? I always feel he's/they're still at the corner - maybe with different identities entirely..
^{It's a shame that the governments are all out for any project that either grant a user's freedom maintains their privacy.}

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 26, 2024, 01:47:59 PM

And IP address is not the same as identity. It often links to identity if someone is using the Internet from their home, but if a public WiFi is used, IP won't reveal much,

TOR onion browser is already a privacy guarantor...enhh, but they could also be curious to know him/them? Unless they didn't even care about the users personality as well.

Stop spreading this lie. TOR with default settings doesn't protect anyone from anything. TOR nodes can be easily monitored for traffic, thus de-anonymizing anyone who hasn't set up TOR correctly.

We need to move away from .onion routing and use I2P.

Satoshi's anonymity primarily stems from the fact that people only began to care and search for the identity after the fact. Initially, when it was just an idea or a meme internet currency worth very little, no one paid much attention to the identity. By the time the majority wanted to know more, many clues had already been lost to time. Additionally, Satoshi's privacy knowledge further contributed to maintaining anonymity.

I2P would be a better alternative but it offers very little functionality compared to TOR.

And I would not say that TOR nodes are easily monitored. Otherwise every illegal Dark Web website would be seized by now. The ones that do get seized are because of bad OPSEC in what feels like 99% of the cases.

But either way, it would take government-level resources and pre-planning to track someone on TOR. the government was not looking for Satoshi back then and he is no longer connecting or making connections to his old persona now. If he were to use TOR and identify himself as Satoshi now, then he might get caught.

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Privacy is a significant part of Bitcoin, even though it's not a fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Satoshi seemed to want to stay private, and that person was competent enough to not disclose private information. Perhaps the governments got interested and noticed Satoshi too late, when Satoshi has disappeared, so it wasn't possible to uncover Satoshi's identity. But maybe no authorities were interested enough and resourceful enough at the same time to learn who that person was. Right now, there's probably not enough interest in it, as Satoshi doesn't actively influence any decisions nowadays. Maybe there's a taxation angle, but maybe not, and maybe it's not worth pursuing.

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I guess that the main reason why he still anonymous is a few years between his dissepiar and interest in his person. All logs was deleted by that date

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Or maybe we can apply Occam’s Razor here.

And simply put, he can't really be identified even if we know his ip address, his well known email address, or what time he post here in the community, or if Satoshi is just a single person or group of individuals.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on April 28, 2024, 04:20:54 AM

The answer seems obvious to me. Bitcoin was created as an experiment, and to exploit the creativity of the creative programmers. It was given to us with various caps and restrictions to prevent it ever becoming the dominant payment service in the world. The creators were the central banks and financial elite, and they kept back a million Bitcoin as a security for future manipulation and control, or maybe it was just an investment. The project has been massively successful, and is now being used by the financial organisations for their own purposes. We are lucky to be riding on the tail of this success, and will be able to reap the benefits as it starts to find its planned level.

i don't like this theory. I prefer to think of Satoshi as the genius that most people say he is.

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