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Topic: How long does the Bitcoin-QT cleint take to sync for newbies? (Read 16083 times)

legendary
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How long does it take to set up a new PayPal account, and have your address and linked bank account confirmed?

How long does it take to apply for and receive a new credit card?

Bitcoin fares quite well in comparison - and that's on top of many other advantages and potential advantages.

Ask that to someone in Iran...
hero member
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
How long does it take to set up a new PayPal account, and have your address and linked bank account confirmed?

How long does it take to apply for and receive a new credit card?

Bitcoin fares quite well in comparison - and that's on top of many other advantages and potential advantages.
legendary
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its a problem for widespread acceptance, until either the blockchain isn't required for "reference" use (ie make Multibit the reference)
You do realize that multibit cannot run at all without thousands of people running full nodes, right? And that if the network consisted entirely of multibit like clients it would have no security at all...

It's fine that users with limited resources use thin clients, but— they're just thin clients— someone has to run the servers for those thin clients, and if its only a few people then they can tell you whatever they want and the house of cards comes tumbling down.

so, like the network of miners underpinning the whole system.  they can become the trusted full nodes (in their interests to protect the integrity of the network).  if Multibit (or similar) is not a solution, then what is?  over months i see this issue of blockchain size raised and kicked down the road by people saying its not a problem: hard disk space increases, bandwidths increase, someone will do a pruned client.  too many techies not understanding ordinary users restrictions and limitation.  this could be the largest obstacle to adoption, expecting people to take multi-day, multi-GB downloads is not going to work.

Yes, your point is valid, but the strength of a decentralized peer-to-peer network relies on its peers, I have no problem running a full node 24/7, many people may not be able to do this for various reasons, using bitcoin on a smartphone would be one.

A user choosing not to run a full node is trusting the security of the network to the users who do run it, it is not the miners who control the network, all the people who run the full node control the network, every node is a vote.

Eventually there might be a way to shorten the blockchain, but as it is today it is not a problem, many people have more than 10GB of porn on their smartphones, on computers hundreds of GBs in porn, I think we can afford a few dozen GB to the blockchain. Smiley
sr. member
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its a problem for widespread acceptance, until either the blockchain isn't required for "reference" use (ie make Multibit the reference)
You do realize that multibit cannot run at all without thousands of people running full nodes, right? And that if the network consisted entirely of multibit like clients it would have no security at all...

It's fine that users with limited resources use thin clients, but— they're just thin clients— someone has to run the servers for those thin clients, and if its only a few people then they can tell you whatever they want and the house of cards comes tumbling down.

so, like the network of miners underpinning the whole system.  they can become the trusted full nodes (in their interests to protect the integrity of the network).  if Multibit (or similar) is not a solution, then what is?  over months i see this issue of blockchain size raised and kicked down the road by people saying its not a problem: hard disk space increases, bandwidths increase, someone will do a pruned client.  too many techies not understanding ordinary users restrictions and limitation.  this could be the largest obstacle to adoption, expecting people to take multi-day, multi-GB downloads is not going to work.
staff
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its a problem for widespread acceptance, until either the blockchain isn't required for "reference" use (ie make Multibit the reference)
You do realize that multibit cannot run at all without thousands of people running full nodes, right? And that if the network consisted entirely of multibit like clients it would have no security at all...

It's fine that users with limited resources use thin clients, but— they're just thin clients— someone has to run the servers for those thin clients, and if its only a few people then they can tell you whatever they want and the house of cards comes tumbling down.
legendary
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May the coin be with you..
Forgot to say I've got a 100MB connection, which obviously helps
sr. member
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far too long.  on a 6mb connection it was taking days, and i gave up, that was in June?  if it wasn't for Multibit i'd have abandoned Bitcoin before i'd started.

its a problem for widespread acceptance, until either the blockchain isn't required for "reference" use (ie make Multibit the reference), or safe online wallets are the norm.  the prominence of Multibit on the Bitcoin "choose wallet" page is a move in the right direction.  the blockchain is simply too big to expect ordinary people to download, taking too long and in many cases use up their entire monthly allowance. 
legendary
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May the coin be with you..
My old processor used to overheat when its gets to the last few weeks of syncing!

Takes around 12 hours now on my new processor which is just a bog standard Athlon X2
newbie
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I downloaded it in ~23 hours two days ago.  Not too bad, but I have a fast internet connection.

Don't have an SSD, and the machine I downloaded it on is an older machine.
legendary
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
well, you'll need to download like 19G. Better start with the torrent snapshot.
legendary
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The last blocks were much longer that the old ones, I don't know why.

Besides the higher number of transactions in them, they are processed slower because they are more thoroughly checked.
legendary
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What are you talking about?

It's a blockchain torrent...

Blockchain downloading should be embedded into the client. Oh, wait, it already is! But we still have to use 3rd party programs...

No one has to use it, it's just faster this way...
staff
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It also depends on your internet connections download speed and on if you use your computer for other downloads in the meantime. My windows computer becomes virtually useless for other tasks while synchronizing...
If its synchronizing slowly because of your internet it shouldn't be adversely impacting your computer. Smiley
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
The last blocks were much longer that the old ones, I don't know why.
Because they contain tons of transactions. Blocks from 2009/2010 have 1 transactions or so, today blocks have hundreds of them if not more
legendary
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Newbie

What are you talking about?

It's a blockchain torrent...

Blockchain downloading should be embedded into the client. Oh, wait, it already is! But we still have to use 3rd party programs...
legendary
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An SSD makes all the difference in the world.
member
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It also depends on your internet connections download speed and on if you use your computer for other downloads in the meantime. My windows computer becomes virtually useless for other tasks while synchronizing...
legendary
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legendary
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