Topic: How long Putin can continue this nonsense war?! - page 3. (Read 586 times)

Russian forces on Saturday launched deadly missile strikes on targets in Odesa, hitting a residential neighborhood and inflicting the kind of civilian carnage the Black Sea port city had so far avoided in two months of fighting, Ukrainian officials said. At least six people were killed and another 18 wounded when two cruise missiles struck the residential area in the city’s west, and officials warned the toll would likely climb given the extent of the damage. 

both sides legitmately accuse each other of being Nazis and both sides legitmately disbelieve the Nazi accusation of the other,

Putin Believes Zelinski's Ukraine is Nazi because it surpresses Russian lingual autonomy, like the original Nazis that seeked to enslave Russia and eastern Europe

Zelinski Believes Putin is a Nazi because he stands up for "national interests" and because he uses violence to split countries in order to change the situation of lingual groups


on the other hand Zelinski disbelieves Putin's accusations of him being a Nazi because he is a Jew,
while Putin disbelieves Zelinski's and the Wests Accusation of Putin being Hitler because he lived his entire life fighting Nazis and raised his entire Country to be opposing Nazis.

thats the paradox

if you research this you will find it to be true

regards

If Putin ends the war will end in about 2 more days. Putin is 69 so each day he has about a 1 in 4000 chance of dying.

So the war will last for at least 60 days (a guess) so a 60 in 4000 chance is about 1 in 66 chance to war ends simply because he died.

Not because he is assassinated but because he is ham and humans die and at the age of 69 the math is as above.

But if he was to stay alive longer say 2 or more  years Russia will eventually win the war and the world will be in two camps west vs east same as it ever was. Just like it was when I was a kid and Khurschev said he would bury USA

Meanwhile lots of oil prices at top dollar or ruble.

The Story of Mariupol
https://www.bitchute.com/video/g2Q68upErJ05/


2S1 Gvozdikas Rain Hell on Azov Nazis in Azovstal Industrial Zone
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Qk3XiP2nA5jw/

Putin and the Chinese together couldn't beat the US. But they have enough stuff that the US really wouldn't win in an all-out war. Nobody wants war. What is going on is attempts to get the biggest share of the economy without a real war.

putin simply things ukranians are being run by nazis and fasists and he has to help the russians there,

this didn't developed after putin got drunk in a bar in moscow, no putin was talking with western leaders about the surpression of russian autonomy in eastern ukraine over years.

russians will develop a very strong distrust between themselves and eastern europeans as they threat them like second class citizens in lands where they live since 1000 years.

its in principle the same conflict like the financial discrimination of black americans.

Russia currently has ~75% of its military capacity committed to Ukraine. Russia maintains its nukes, however, committing that much of its military is risky and will leave it vulnerable to invasion and/or military action from elsewhere.

Those that are fighting do not believe in this war. I don't think many will believe in fighting for their homeland in the event of an invasion if that were to happen.

As far as his reign is concerned, I'm feeling he's nearing his end, but if it comes to the war, it will only lie on the ability of the Ukrainians and their ability to deplete the army of the Russians.
 Russia has the resources to continue this war if care is not taken to the next ten years or more but notwithstanding, their economy will be affected and as it is, over $600billion worth of shares has been seized by the US govt and what with sanctions being placed on them.

Why do we all put the whole blame on Putin. We must Firstly understand why Putin is going into war against their neighbor Ukraine. Ukraine are building strong relationship with US, they also wants to be part of NATO. Which Russia consider to be a dangerous step, because they don't trust the US. Putin thinks he is probably protecting his country. Although, Ukraine is an independent country, and they have the right to join NATO.  Putin just want the US to stay far from Ukraine, and the war won't end until his had achieved that.

this war is not just russia vs. west,

its much deeper its the same as syria vs. the west lybia vs. the west

in its core its about western officials creating hateful mobs in capital cities and using them to storm parliaments to change the regime instead of talking with the current regime

this prevents democracy in many parts of the world as those states cannot for financial reasons allow democracy

The fight in the defence of one's nation cannot be seen as a nonsense war. It might seem so to you for Putin to have openly thrown the first punch but, its most likely that the first punch had been thrown long before Russia ever attacked Ukraine. Only a madman will attack a nation or animal without provocation and I don't consider Putin one. NATO's invite and Ukraine's willingness to make an alians with them is the provocation that hung unseen by most persons because they've refused to see it.
Unfortunately, Putin and the Ukrainians are ready to push this war as far as it could get but, I can only hope it ends soon and peace again be restored between both countries. War is not good for anyone and I am largely not in support of this one.

Your problem is that although you understand the Russian language, you are extremely far from understanding the Russian mentality. The Russians need an external enemy, preferably a stronger one. Ukraine? "It's petty, Hobotov." But let's bring here the entire Western world united in a single anti-Russian impulse - this is already something to awaken Russia from its eternal procrastination and laziness, you can already work with this. And the louder the cry of anti-Russian rhetoric, the stronger and more effective Russia becomes. People in Russia do not believe in the lifting of sanctions if the aggression in Ukraine stops, so they say "okay, let there be sanctions, we will live with this." They do not take to the streets to protest like the inhabitants of Europe and do not try to overthrow Putin - on the contrary, his support is growing. Putin gave the people in Russia what was expected of him for a long time - he declared Russia's right to its own sovereignty in order to stop being a raw materials appendage and a gas station of the West. For the sanctions against the oligarchs in Europe, a special thank you from the Russians, they are not very loved here, ordinary people believe that the oligarchs have been robbing the country for decades and exporting the loot to the West. Well, now all the huge natural wealth of Russia belongs to Russia itself. Why would the Russian people berate Putin here? In Russia, Putin is now a folk hero, the "collector of Russian lands".

Lukashenko said that by the end of this year the world will forget about Ukraine. I'm not sure what exactly he meant, whether there will be a more serious problem in the world that will make Ukraine forget (as the operation in Ukraine almost made the whole world forget about covid-19), or just the problem in Ukraine will be resolved and cease to be such sharp and exciting the whole world, as now.

Let me tell you something else, it seems that in July the anniversary economic forum will be held in St. Petersburg, Russia.

Everyone has the right to draw their own conclusions.

Or the tanking economy could push more people to sign up to fight because there is nothing else to do and it's the fault of the Ukrainians...

There is no logic to things happening in Russia now. People get arrested for holding flowers. State media is bleating incessantly about bird flu biolabs of the big bad West. A sizeable part of the population genuinely believes that they are defending. 140 million people, there could be enough idiots to feed this war for a long time.

Although the looting "armed forces" don't display much fighting spirit, that's true.

Better be careful. Putin's nonsense is setting him up to take over the world for a time. It's starting with the collapse of the USD.

Ruble on the gold standard might = $10,000 Gold & $370 Silver, Plus Some Really Shocking Numbers! - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/323291-2022-04-02-10-000-gold-370-silver-plus-some-really-shocking-numbers.htm

Please explain how they'd do it.

Russia and Belarus stated that marching into Ukraine would be a declaration of war. It would be a much easier decision if there were no nuclear weapons because Russia cannot match NATO in conventional warfare, but nobody wants those idiots to start using bio weapons and nukes and render whole Europe uninhabitable.


That's too long. Russia would run out of juice long before that. You have to remember that the economy is one thing, but there's also fighting spirit, which Russians always had when defending, but rarely when attacking. Many people in Russia think it's not their war and as time goes by and life gets harder there's going to be more and more of them, until finally all who wanted to fight will be dead and the rest will rather migrate than die fighting abroad for nothing.

This is straight up Russian propaganda.

People will never be able to overthrow him, they are too much afraid of him, they are afraid to even say the word war, because for this they can be arrested. Now, when there is a rotation of russian troops and the cities of the Kiev region are being liberated, it is clear what atrocities russia arranges. On the streets there are dead civilians with their hands tied and shot in the back of the head, this is genocide. And this can go on for a very long time, russia has great resources.

I think its fair to say NATO had just cause to have so many bases on the border with
Russia. If Russias leader can do so much damage to a non NATO country imagine
what would happen without those NATO bases.

How long will this Ukraine invasion last? IMO as long as Ukraine gets military support
it can resist so this coupled with the economic sanctions which wont be felt in Russia
fully for a number of weeks yet could determine how long it lasts, it could be months.

Until he realize that what he did is enough because no one is going to fight against Russia for invading the Ukraine because every country only deals with sanctions against them but it didn't made the Russia to pull back and surprisingly he also made a tactical move that unfriendly countries has to pay in Rubles to buy oil from them so Russian economy will fall only if their oil exports stops but in reality China and India is enjoying the benefits now.

While I don't doubt you, I'd like to see the source for this number, it looks exceedingly high. During the first days of the invasion, Putin's actions were discouraged and sparked a few protests, which were quickly dealt with force.

Anyway, Putin isn't going to step down from his presidency, he won't stop till he gets what he wants, or lose everything in the process. It's surprising that an army like Russia's is having such a hard time against Ukraine, they're supposedly a superpower.