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legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:57:17 PM
#24
It seems that the poll should include categories of people who might not currently have a full node, but consider decent chances that they will run a full node in the future.

Ok I will update the voting options.

This technical discourse is the best when you learn and awaken interest in its beginnings and how the Bitcoin network works.

I hope it continues like this for a long time.
legendary
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Be a bank
December 05, 2018, 05:51:27 PM
#23
A question, in the collapse of transactions 2017 perhaps with thousands and thousands of active nodes we would not have had the problem in the network.
No it's the miners who include some of the backlog of transactions into the blocks.
The node you are running checks whether they did that according to your rules.
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:50:06 PM
#22
It seems that the poll should include categories of people who might not currently have a full node, but consider decent chances that they will run a full node in the future.
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:49:52 PM
#21
Since I have Bitcoin I have always had a Full Node online, first on an old PC, then on a laptop and now I will install it on a 24/7 server where I have my music, photography and video server.

It the least i can do for Bitcoin. lol
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:49:41 PM
#20
I don't see any reason to run a full node nowadays. Mining nodes do have an incentive to be run. Non-mining nodes don't, or do they?

Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.

(Bitnodes ran a program to incentivize full node operators until the end of 2015)

This topic is interesting for this reason is in the OP



The thing is I don't think non-mining nodes add much security or decentralisation to the network. If you already are a major economic player, ie: an exchange, then yes, running a node adds security for both the network and yourself. Other than that I don't see much advantage. This is not a democracy, no one is gonna care if my node reject a transaction but if Bitstamp node rejects it, that has some real impact. On the other hand are nodes at the front of major pools which obviously have a great impact on the network but those do have an indirect incentive being a fundamental part of the miners behind.

A question, in the collapse of transactions 2017 perhaps with thousands and thousands of active nodes we would not have had the problem in the network.



No. It would have changed nothing. First because only mining nodes process the tx's into blocks and second because the blocks were already up the hard limit.

Adding more nodes, even mining ones, would not raise the limit.
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:42:01 PM
#19
The thing is I don't think non-mining nodes add much security or decentralisation to the network. If you already are a major economic player, ie: an exchange, then yes, running a node adds security for both the network and yourself. Other than that I don't see much advantage. This is not a democracy, no one is gonna care if my node reject a transaction but if Bitstamp node rejects it, that has some real impact. On the other hand are nodes at the front of major pools which obviously have a great impact on the network but those do have an indirect incentive being a fundamental part of the miners behind.

if a full node was run just by mining pools. of course they would ignore their competitions efforts and just want their own blocks to win. so there needs a unbiased outsider group deciding what gets added to a chain.

normal home users that need to monitor just 1-5 addresses dont need to monitor every transaction of every block every day. and normal home internet would bottleneck the propogation if a home user was to foolishly want to connect to 120 nodes.
infact mathematically its better for home users to only connect to 10 nodes

however merchants that need to validate hundreds/thousands of transactions they are more needing to have a reliable ledger. so businesses are more important. because if they dont relay transactions of their customers then the merchant wont get paid if a pool doesnt add a transaction to a block.

where as users would prefer not to relay transactions and hope pools dont receive it. because they hope merchants would see a unconfirm and react, while hope a pool dont receive and confirm. so users are not actually needing to have a reliable ledger, users prefer slow networks because they hope the merchant act on the unconfirmed transaction so a user can double spend

with all that said..
if all users are just running core. unedited.. they are not decentralising th network. they are just distributing the chain
distributing and decentralising are 2 different things
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:36:01 PM
#18
I don't see any reason to run a full node nowadays. Mining nodes do have an incentive to be run. Non-mining nodes don't, or do they?

Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.

(Bitnodes ran a program to incentivize full node operators until the end of 2015)

This topic is interesting for this reason is in the OP



The thing is I don't think non-mining nodes add much security or decentralisation to the network. If you already are a major economic player, ie: an exchange, then yes, running a node adds security for both the network and yourself. Other than that I don't see much advantage. This is not a democracy, no one is gonna care if my node reject a transaction but if Bitstamp node rejects it, that has some real impact. On the other hand are nodes at the front of major pools which obviously have a great impact on the network but those do have an indirect incentive being a fundamental part of the miners behind.

A question, in the collapse of transactions 2017 perhaps with thousands and thousands of active nodes we would not have had the problem in the network.

legendary
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Self made HODLER ✓
December 05, 2018, 05:15:17 PM
#17
I don't see any reason to run a full node nowadays. Mining nodes do have an incentive to be run. Non-mining nodes don't, or do they?

Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.

(Bitnodes ran a program to incentivize full node operators until the end of 2015)

This topic is interesting for this reason is in the OP



The thing is I don't think non-mining nodes add much security or decentralisation to the network. If you already are a major economic player, ie: an exchange, then yes, running a node adds security for both the network and yourself. Other than that I don't see much advantage. This is not a democracy, no one is gonna care if my node reject a transaction but if Bitstamp node rejects it, that has some real impact. On the other hand are nodes at the front of major pools which obviously have a great impact on the network but those do have an indirect incentive being a fundamental part of the miners behind.
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 05:09:38 PM
#16
I don't see any reason to run a full node nowadays. Mining nodes do have an incentive to be run. Non-mining nodes don't, or do they?

Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.

(Bitnodes ran a program to incentivize full node operators until the end of 2015)

This topic is interesting for this reason is in the OP

legendary
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December 05, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
#15
But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.
reported for off topic. Shocked
do you run a full node? sir? Huh
do you agree with that pruning? eh?

It's completely on topic. In fact I am the only one that voted that I don't run a full node. That's MY vote.

I stopped running it like three/four years ago.

Yes, I do agree with pruning in some cases. (ie: better than nothing).

Socialist why?
Can you not afford a 2010 laptop, like your comrade up there^, to run a full node?
It would strengthen the network. Or do you prefer to leech off your fellow man?
Or are you broke from paying taxes for the universal healthcare in your country (that you said you support)?

Note to commies and real people alike: 2010 laptops are fine as nodes but unsafe for keeping bitcoin on. Keep your bitcoin on an air-gapped much older machine, mkay?
Don't let the govt take your money yo.



I have to make everyone respond like that.
y tho?

y tho?

I say this because I see that the structure is understood to respond.
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 04:37:03 PM
#14
I don't see any reason to run a full node nowadays. Mining nodes do have an incentive to be run. Non-mining nodes don't, or do they?
legendary
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Be a bank
December 05, 2018, 04:02:33 PM
#13
But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.
reported for off topic. Shocked
do you run a full node? sir? Huh
do you agree with that pruning? eh?

It's completely on topic. In fact I am the only one that voted that I don't run a full node. That's MY vote.

I stopped running it like three/four years ago.

Yes, I do agree with pruning in some cases. (ie: better than nothing).

Socialist why?
Can you not afford a 2010 laptop, like your comrade up there^, to run a full node?
It would strengthen the network. Or do you prefer to leech off your fellow man?
Or are you broke from paying taxes for the universal healthcare in your country (that you said you support)?

Note to commies and real people alike: 2010 laptops are fine as nodes but unsafe for keeping bitcoin on. Keep your bitcoin on an air-gapped much older machine, mkay?
Don't let the govt take your money yo.



I have to make everyone respond like that.
y tho?
legendary
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Merit: 2540
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December 05, 2018, 03:53:42 PM
#12
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You have a Full Node 24/7 , tell your experience ?

My linux node runs 24/7. It's easy to manage: only updating the software requires some work now and then.

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Do you have any suggestions for Bitcoin Core Node and Wallet in the new updates ?
When a new version is published, it would be nice to have automatic update packages pushed to appropriate servers too. Signed and all, of course.

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Now a sensitive issue, you think that the Bitcoin network would have to reward in some way the complete nodes 24/7?
Economic rewards are for miners. Your own security is your reward, I guess.


(Gentlemen! Please. This is not the WO thread.)


The best answer !!!

Greetings

I have to make everyone respond like that.

(Gentlemen! Please. This is not the WO thread.)

I do not care today is the opening of the thread and it is an honor to have them here Cool

If with this thread we get 1 new node, We won a little more battle  Grin
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 03:44:57 PM
#11
But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.
reported for off topic. Shocked
do you run a full node? sir? Huh
do you agree with that pruning? eh?

It's completely on topic. In fact I am the only one that voted that I don't run a full node. That's MY vote.

I stopped running it like three/four years ago.

Yes, I do agree with pruning in some cases. (ie: better than nothing).

Socialist why?
legendary
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Merit: 2939
December 05, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
#10
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You have a Full Node 24/7 , tell your experience ?

My linux node runs 24/7. It's easy to manage: only updating the software requires some work now and then.

Quote
Do you have any suggestions for Bitcoin Core Node and Wallet in the new updates ?
When a new version is published, it would be nice to have automatic update packages pushed to appropriate servers too. Signed and all, of course.

Quote
Now a sensitive issue, you think that the Bitcoin network would have to reward in some way the complete nodes 24/7?
Economic rewards are for miners. Your own security is your reward, I guess.


(Gentlemen! Please. This is not the WO thread.)
legendary
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
December 05, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
#9
My 2010 laptop has a new lease of life running as a full node.  Best possible use it could be put to.
legendary
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Be a bank
December 05, 2018, 03:40:00 PM
#8
But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.
reported for off topic. Shocked
do you run a full node? sir? Huh
do you agree with that pruning? eh?
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
#7
Yeah no, you can run really old nodes that don't validate any of the newer rules and transactions.
Luke-jr said somewhere sth like 'well they aren't full nodes then', but many disagree.

lol Segwit is optional they said.

So yes a nice topic about a very important part of Bitcoin - run a full node, people.

* Running a full node is the only way you can use Bitcoin in a trustless way.

I know.

But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.

Keep calm, do not fight, be patient, lol

Im not sure its safe out here guy's.....guy's?

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Yes, Yes, Yes, No.

+1 WOsMerit anyhow for decent newb post. Seems legit.

Carry on.

Sure, I think it's one of the issues that newcomers do not know.
Thanks for the support
legendary
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December 05, 2018, 03:38:36 PM
#6
Im not sure its safe out here guy's.....guy's?

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Yes, Yes, Yes, No.

+1 WOsMerit anyhow for decent newb post. Seems legit.

Carry on.
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1464
Self made HODLER ✓
December 05, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
#5
Yeah no, you can run really old nodes that don't validate any of the newer rules and transactions.
Luke-jr said somewhere sth like 'well they aren't full nodes then', but many disagree.

lol Segwit is optional they said.

So yes a nice topic about a very important part of Bitcoin - run a full node, people.

* Running a full node is the only way you can use Bitcoin in a trustless way.

I know.

But why did YOU call me a socialist? I wanna know.
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