Topic: How many red tags is the scammer Royse777 going to get? - page 3. (Read 1832 times)

I agree.

I was referring to possible positive contributions to the forum such as quality posts but it was not limited to Royse777/Bitlucy, it was supposed to be generic. What one of the useless trolls in the forum might deem to be positive contributions by another user, could be deemed to be spamming or nonsense by me.

Either way, I agree, nobody has a right has right to scam anybody and quite simply a scam is a scam.

Tolerance, rationality, and forgiveness can be very desirable attributes of a community.  Thuggish behavior from established members can also paint a community in a bad light.


This happens in real life all the time, because real people are not vampires.  The courts often take previous criminal history into account when determining adequate punishment.  Justice isn't only about punishment and retribution, it requires understanding, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness.


No, that won't happen.  Not for this, anyway.  I predict that the two remaining DT tags on Royse777's wall will largely go ignored.  One is from JigglyGoods, THE Trust System Spammer; the other from a newbie who uses the slightest drama to demonize those involved with casinos that don't subscribe to his service.  Both are transparently ridiculous.

The "light", in some way, doesn't matter. A crime is a crime whether it's done in dark or in broad light, whether a lot of people talk about it or no one cares.


It depends on what you call  "positive" conduct. I believe this means fair trades. It's not like he's a big donor or he's so much useful to the community in some other way. That's what normal decent people should do. It does not entitle them to scam other people, who by the way may have never benefited from his previous "services" anyway.


I have to agree.

If your general thought on the forum is shared by a wider audience then it portrays the forum in a very bad light. I hope others do not see it as bad because the past positive conduct of someone cannot negate the negligence and scam of the present. Royse777 seems to have go off very lightly in this very serious matter.

I think there might be a few more red tags from users here and there as they discover threads about the Royse777/Bitlucy scam but most probably other DT members will not tag red otherwise it would have been done by now.

It's a fine line but I think bounty management is a dirty business. Campaign management MAY be a dirty business depending on how it's done.
As a rule bounties are paid long after weeks of work are done with tokens / coins that may or may not ever be worth anything.
Campaigns tend to (not always see the 777coin and others) be paid a few days after the week is up so it's usually more evident a lot more quickly if something funky is going on.

The other issue is that people don't tend to look. And I will stand sit here and fully admit that I am in that group. Royse777 reached out to me and asked if I wanted to wear the avatar and I said sure. (1) it was not that much money so even if I didn't get paid it would not matter followed by (2) I was not doing anything with my avatar at that moment and (3) I had dealings with him before so I didn't think much about it. Same with you eddie if you said wear this for $20 I probably would because (1) it's not much. (2) I'm still not doing anything with my avatar and (3) we have had dealings before and you did what you said you would.

So it then comes down to disclosure. Royce did not tell me in the message that he was involved with the casino. On the same note, I didn't ask or look.

So, if you came to me before this happened, yes I would probably not look or check. Now.....

As for the red tags I don't think he is going to get anymore.

I was going to let this entire thing go without comment, but have gotten some pokes from people because I was wearing the avatar. So for those people who have poked me with an obvious agenda, here is your post. And no I will not tag him.

-Dave

Thank you eddie13, you've answered multiple questions that were asked by members above, on what I meant by "Scam is the bottom line of livelihood of many "trusted" members here".



Ok thks for pointing that out, because this is what I want to show: Encouraging, getting involved in, and owning a scam organisation, is ok for the vast majority on this forum, which reflects itself on the trust system score.

It is ok because, if you've made some fair trades and deals in the past, so you've been honest to some extent, you get a green light to scam at least once on this forum.

I'm just making a summary of the general thought on this forum, and taking this case as a specific example.

No, the vast majority of “trusted” users here don’t scam, but I would say many many bend their ethics a bit here and there to comply with some of the more heavy hitter “trusted” members for reasons of gaming the system, including getting accepted in signature campaigns, hopes of being or staying included on others trust lists to climb the ladder, and generally to get in the good side, or not get in the bad side of other powerful users..

Not scamming necessarily, but maybe not speaking out against other certain users or projects, and/or swapping +trust or inclusions with others they don’t really really trust or agree with just in effort to climb the ladder themselves..


I really hate what’s happened to Royse, but shit happens when you cross into the side of trying to make money..
Many times I see users bend their ethics and ignore this or that in order to get or keep up their gig..

The dynamic around campaign managers here is also terrible because everyone wants to suck up to them for sig spots and DT ladder climbing purposes, even when they obviously do shady and unethical shit..
They kindof get away with murder because of this..

Don’t really want to increase the drama around this Royse situation, but their are quite a few pots calling the kettle black here revolving around this situation..

Campaign/bounty management is dirty business..

This is a very wrong and quite offensive statement to make, this is indirectly accusing every trusted member of this forum of being a scammer, what an assumption, on this note, I will like to know how many trusted members of this forum who have scammed you, call them out or just get out.

You are wrong again, he or she (Royse777) initially had up to 6 red tags or more, but after he came out to explain to every one what really transpired between him(Royse777) and Bitlucy, I believe the taggers withdrew their red tags as they realized that Royse777 wasn't really a scammer but only allowed himself to be used without him knowing he was being used, no doubt, he(Royse777) has leant his lesson and I believe he's currently healing from the wounds.

The deed is done, and Royse777 has already gotten that which he deserved, it is in the past now, allow what is already in the past to remain in the past, if every issues treated on this forum were to be kept alive till date, i believe that by now, there will be no more room to treat new ones , so please allow the sleeping dog to lay.

How are you so sure that this thread is never going to be locked  , for your information, Mod can decide to lock it, and if they do, theres absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Nobody on this forum is a saint, Today, the discussion is on Royse777, tomorrow, the discussion might be on you, and i see you already won 2 red tags to yourself, maybe that is where your anger against Royse777 is coming from, you feel you don't deserve the red tags you got, and seeing someone whom you feel deserved more red tags and yet not getting it angers you.. this is true?

I'm not sure what you mean by that.  You seem to be implying that most trusted members scam for a living, and that simply isn't true.  If you've got a personal axe to grind with Royse777, that's fine, but if you really believe that "many" trusted members on the forum behave unethically, perhaps this isn't the right place to spend your time.

I haven't been following this drama at all, and I just now read Royse777's post in his locked thread where he explained everything that went down between Bitlucy and him.  Frankly, if he's guilty of anything it's being too trusting.  And yes, it looks like he should have bailed on the project earlier than he did, but I'm not privy to the interactions he had with all of the people he dealt with, so I can't say I would have done anything different--nor can any of you, if you're being honest with yourselves.

I like this quote from bitmover in Royse777's thread:


IMO, there's no way in hell Royse777 deserves to have his rep destroyed because of his association with Bitlucy.  Those trusted members who've gone rogue usually go the way of Master-P or those fucking idiots who misappropriated charity funds a while back, with b1ankcode (I forget his leetspeak username) being one of them.  They just disappear into the night instead of taking the time to write a detailed explanation of their side of the story, and Royse777 did nothing of the sort.

All of y'all go look at yourselves in the mirror and stop slinging shit at the most convenient (but wrong) target.

It is correct that Royse777 was shown too much goodwill and sympathy by members here. The goodwill is because of the trust he gathered before the scam incident happened. To some members who aren't trusted nor have track of positive trust in the forum, there would have been pills of red trust. But it is very fair that some DT members after reading Royse777 version of the story turned their red tag to neutral.
I believe that by now Royse777 would have been vindicated and the remaining red trusts removed, but I am surprised it has lingered.
I sincerely wish Royse777 can come out of this 100% because for the little I have seen him/her in the forum, he/she is trustworthy.

Troll circus show topic is open again and main clowns had to post something because this is their ''bread'' and ''air'' they need to survive in forum.
I think we need a major redesign of DT membership asap, or maybe we need to create special category DC for Default Clowns, wannabe experts, judges and executioners.
OP get a life and don't worry so much about Royse.

Oh I think I know some of them who wants to give them double or triple negative tag, just to get some extra satisfaction.

I think this looks like a Ku Klux Klan topic or vampire meeting and they want to see some more blood.

When looking at her behaviour in that now locked thread, Royse777 came across as immature, temperamental, aggressive and of course the list goes on but she never once came across as remorseful or apologetic.

I think Royse777 locking the thread after posting another wall of text containing nonsensical drama to misdirect away from any questions posed at her, did not surprise me especially after she was being asked questions why she wanted to carry out KYC on a victim when Bitlucy did not exist any longer. After all, Royse777 made a promise to make victims whole again but is now escaping that too by citing another round of nonsense and misdirection.

Also, by you alluding some members would not tag Royse777 because they were in receipt of payments for wearing the signature, you should either apologise and withdraw that comment or elaborate further because you are calling in to question the character of several members without naming names.

I would not expect Royse777 to keep her word, I am not surprised at her locking the thread. She never answered the questions related to her part-ownership of the company and so much more instead creating more misdirection so it was a convenient time for Royse777 to lock it.

In my opinion Royse777 was shown far too much goodwill and sympathy by members here, none of it deserved but those that left positive, neutral or negative trust gave their reasons and each is free to do what they want.

Life is not clearly white and black.

In this forum, we have good members, knowledgeable and experienced. We have detectives and DT members and also new future asset of the forum too. They contribute lot of things in the forum and scam busting is one of such.

But not all accusations are correct. Let me dig into the past that with Livecoin campaign in 2018 or 2019, in forum, there were two sides: one support it is non scam, one consider it as a true scam.

Now, after a few years, they actually exit but back in the days, years ago, the story is not clear like nowadays.

I used to confuse with it, but I believe Livecoin is non scam, and after a long and careful consideration, asking for opinion of some members (that are more experienced than me) ^{they even could not say solid conclusion about Livecoin}, I joined their campaign but it is because I believed Livecoin is not scam back in that day. I did not attack Livecoin, called it as scam and then joined it later as a two-faced guy.

Now, for now, I believe Royse777 is non scam but it can be changed in future. We can not say about future at the moment.  

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Please stop the drama about Royse777, except if you have something new (evidence) to say.

How much negative trust do you want his profile to receive, so that your soul feels satisfied that “justice has been done”?
20 or 30 negative trusts?
Just because you want it done according to your wishes doesn't mean everyone should play by your rules. Members have a right to make any judgement differently or not.

Considering Royse777's actions since the BitLucy fiasco, it shouldn't be a surprise that he locked that thread. However, I expected him at least to keep his word.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60570852

Why are you pushing to keep the drama alive? Members are not all treated the same way, that's not the forum being against newbies/new members, that's the forum letting a persons reputation speak for their character. If you spent years here and have always been a user with good morals and character and you make a mistake, the community is likely going to listen to your story and give you a pass. Depending on the mistake of course. Everyone is free to read the story and make their own judgement. You don't have to be DT to leave a feedback, and not everyone is going to agree.

Everything is based on a case by case basis man. Imo users aren't being biased towards anyone, some have just shown who they are in a better way then others.

but this time to remember well who has already given their opinion on the whole case, and not to troll and unfounded accuse others.

All the DT members don't involve with all the threads on the forum. Whether is a scam accusation or whatever. So how many red tags will get depends on how many DT members want to do so. Even I haven't read the story nor interested. Those already tag they read and think Royse777 deserves it. Also, some DT members leave positive feedback which is soft counter feedback. So it really depends on DTs mind.

There was another campaign manager who didn't make it in time for weeks, months. I forgot his nickname. lightsomething? In the end he got a few red-tags.

You have a fair point though. This is how businesses might go in the end. Sometimes it just don't work the way you imagine it would. There shouldn't be any excuses...

If this is addressed to me, I'd rather say decide quietly and do what you want but don't post out of topic messages.