Topic: How much external immigration do you want in your country? - page 2. (Read 2494 times)

Your position is "Yes the system will break down; yes people's standard of living will collapse but if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.  Its a self-correcting problem"

As long as you never seek the power to impose your position on a society, it doesn't matter but surely you can do better?

LOL!

i think that would be a problem. only people with money would be able to get in, and that means there'd be less cheap labor available.

I would say that anyone can come in.

But to be a citizen you have to pay a one time fee.

That fee should be the only income needed by the government.

If the fee is too high, less people will immigrate. If the fee is low, more people will immigrate.

If the government spends wisely and is a good government they will get people willing to pay. If they suck, nobody will want to come to the country.

I say a one time fee because that way you know what you are getting when you pay.

How am I being facetious?  You're saying your country would collapse if border controls ended from people flooding in, as if the whole nation was made of gold.  Yes, I realize it's the place you live, but I don't have that kind of attachment to it, and nor will the other several billion people who have no interest in living there.

I have a house, and these people have none.  I'm more concerned with understanding why there are squatters on my land, and why they do not have their own homes, than worried about getting them off of it; if they willingly became squatters and were just passing by, then so be it; I'd be a little more concerned with enjoying my life.  Anyway, I wouldn't shoot them, or ask the state to shoot them, whatever your flavor is; perhaps not many will agree, but I'm concerned about society and actually interested in solving its problems.  But ultimately the squatters probably aren't armed so a warning shot will get them off, if you really need them off.

However, this is a straw man.  People living far, far away from me on the other side of the nation, that I'll never meet in person, coming in, and for me to have the nerve to tell them to get out; that's much different than having squatters on the land I actually own, as that is my business; the business of people I've never met, I tend to keep my nose out of.

If you have no idea then that's your problem, not mine. And you're being facetious now.


If loads of squatters turned up in your house you'd just let them stay and instead move out because you didn't like it? I'm not quite sure I understand your logic or reasoning here.

I have no idea what you're talking about.  And you're not arguing anything, you're just repeating bias and pointing out a boogeyman.  "We need X controls because zombie apocalypse" sort of thing.  Nobody wants to live in a nation that doesn't work; you've shown this by asserting there needs to be border controls.  Because of this, nobody truly wants to immigrate to a nation that's showing signs of overload; thus, people stop coming, even leave.  It's a self-correcting problem.

Never said it was. My argument was that you can't just let everybody who wants to go to a specific country in and that still stands, but obviously you thought you'd found an opportunity to try be smart and attempted to bait me, but that didn't really work out all that well, did it?

Coming from a guy who thinks several billion people wanting to live on an island (and the UK at that) is a real world scenario, I'm not sure what to make of this.


I'm fairly certain I'm speaking in clear English; if billions of people want to fit onto the UK island, let them.  If you don't like this, don't stick around for it.  What does this have to do with being a hippie?

This doesn't make any sense. What's stupid for you is not for others. In some countries you don't even have decent internet outside of the main cities
Are you saying we all should live in the countryside growing organic veggies? oh man

Which free society is this? Your reasoning doesn't work in the real world.

I don't understand the reasoning: in a free society, there's no immigration controls, but there's also no emigration controls; if I was you in this scenario, I'd leave, excited about living in a world where all the stupid people had vanished to a concentrated area to kill themselves off.  This also has the added benefit of not needing tight controls on where you go and why, but you don't seem to find this agreeable.

Only white people should be allowed in and no Muslims. Jokes.

So to be fair which types of control do you think we should use?
Age/Sex? Qualification? Country of Origin?

Nor can you let so many people in that it even starts to get any where near buckling. So that's why you cant just let everybody that wants to go to a country in willy-nilly. There needs to be controls in place.

Yes, I see that; your point is, people are too stupid to know what's good for them.  I disagree; I think people realize that, by the time the UK hit 100 million and it really started to get crowded, they wouldn't try to pile another 900 million in there, and then upon seeing this, that the UK somehow fit 1 billion people into its borders, that people wouldn't continue doing this clown-car routine and attempted to fit another billion people.  Long, long before this occurs, people realize either of the following:

"Moving to the crowded UK severely outweighs the negatives of living elsewhere."
or
"Moving to the crowded UK is not worth it."

And if the 1st is happening, you have far greater problems than a crowded UK; what the hell is going on with the rest of the world that the UK appears attractive?

No. There's only 63 million people in the UK, so I don't think it could handle billions of people deciding they want to live there. It would be a broken nation if that happened, which brings me back to my original point.

If we disband all socialistic systems we don't need to deny anyone entry.

If the conditions are not the same immigrants will change again. I find absurd I can't decide where I can live my life.
For example, I can't *work* and live in the US because I don't have a green card, I can participate to a lottery to have one. Is this a fucking joke?

Then surely everything works with these billions of people on a tiny island; I can't imagine a scenario where people would want to live in a broken nation, aside from them either being held hostage or liking it that way.