How much these features weigh most when you choose your favorite casino?

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Quote from: Silberman on July 23, 2023, 03:07:45 PM

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This is called the long con or the big con, while many scammers try to get whatever they can as soon as they can, there are other scammers which concentrate on extracting as much money from their victims as possible, so it would not be rare for a scammer to set a casino and make it seem legitimate by offering a great service and eventually gaining a good reputation, until eventually and without anyone expecting it the casino turns into a scam and all the funds of their customers are lost.

I can understand that for some altcoins for example, but a casino can legitimately earn a lot of money, forever basically.

There would be no point to stop being a casino, because that's just guaranteed money really.

Unless the casino is doing something out of the ordinary, like extra bonuses or something different, then I don't see the point of them stopping.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 18, 2023, 05:32:40 PM

I agree that reputation is the most important thing, because casinos could always be the riskiest thing, you can't even sue them or you know expect any type of legal help if they end up turning out to be a scam, it is way harder.

This is why you have to trust them to be a decent place completely and that is why it is very important. On the other hand, other parts are not unimportant neither, they are of course what makes a casino go from good to great, like a lot of games, or a lot of deposit/withdraw options, rewards, support, all these matter for sure. But if the reputation is not there, then they can have all of those and still not be liked at all.

Agree. The main problem with casinos is that most of them are registered in some kind of murky offshore and for an ordinary player (who does not have millions to pay lawyers) there are no options to deal with them in court. But the reputation and presence of the community solves all these problems - if the casino starts to deceive the players, then this quickly becomes known and this worsens their business. Therefore, they themselves are interested in being as honest as possible.

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Quote from: cryptoperkele on July 23, 2023, 02:53:45 PM

Well usually it's always smooth until it isn't. They need to keep appearance of smoothly running casino if they want to rug enough money. If problems start at the beginning they get only pennies for it compared to pro hustle

This is called the long con or the big con, while many scammers try to get whatever they can as soon as they can, there are other scammers which concentrate on extracting as much money from their victims as possible, so it would not be rare for a scammer to set a casino and make it seem legitimate by offering a great service and eventually gaining a good reputation, until eventually and without anyone expecting it the casino turns into a scam and all the funds of their customers are lost.

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Quote from: nullama on April 18, 2023, 07:24:19 PM

Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 18, 2023, 02:50:05 PM

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Flawless withdrawal processes are truly a gift to have when you join a gambling platform as a new member. Most of the casinos that are old wouldn't really make it a tiring process and even if there is a KYC requirement, it will be pretty smooth if you go through it with the guidance provided and give them what they asked you for without any hesitation.

But, when it comes to new casinos, it sometimes becomes a headache and you get tired of all the retries only to verify yourself if they ask for KYC before a withdrawal, you are probably in luck if their support team is friendly and quick to respond.

I think that's probably the hardest hurdle for a legit new casino. And also probably one of the tools new shady casinos use to keep your money in their platform.
If it's smooth, then people will keep coming back, even if it's new.

Well usually it's always smooth until it isn't. They need to keep appearance of smoothly running casino if they want to rug enough money. If problems start at the beginning they get only pennies for it compared to pro hustle

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Quote from: len01 on April 30, 2023, 02:32:02 AM

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except for certain casinos that have a web3 casino base and really use the original system from web3 such as decentralization without being centralized which usually does not require any KYC when wanting to withdraw any amount and gamblers will remain anonymous by only connecting a wallet.

but usually such casinos have lower maximum betting limits than casinos that have KYC rules.

Maybe, but at the end of the day those decentralized casinos are running code from a contract. That tells you nothing about the limits they might impose.

Maybe the contract says that it's fine to withdraw up to a certain amount. Being decentralized not necessarily means that there are no limits. It simply means that the code is stored in a blockchain. That's it.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 28, 2023, 03:51:04 AM

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I don't think there's any casino online in which you can gamble absolutely anonymous. Maybe for a small amount, but any major withdrawal I think would require some level of KYC.

If not, then it would be an easy way for people to launder money.

Indeed, at this time there is no online casino that can be used completely anonymously, but there are several casinos that claim they do not require KYC and when I play and get several wins when I want to withdraw, I prefer to withdraw several times with smaller amounts to avoid KYC because there have been cases where KYC was requested while making large withdrawals and I don't want anything like that to happen to me.
I have used several casinos from those with KYC to non KYC requirements and I did all of that for the sake of gaining experience and to be able to choose which casino provides the best convenience and service.
I can understand every casino's decision regarding KYC and even that is for the sake of casino continuity so at casinos that implement KYC I prefer to give it at the start.

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Quote from: nullama on April 29, 2023, 10:17:20 PM

Quote from: tusandii on April 28, 2023, 03:51:04 AM

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I agree with you guys because I myself prefer to get small wins but the freedom for KYC I get than having to give it later when I get a big win and the casino asks for it as a condition for withdrawal.
The casino should have said from the start that they would be enforcing KYC so that gamblers don't feel disappointed in the future.
There are a number of casinos that I use and they are different, of course some are non KYC, some also enforce KYC, but at casinos that enforce KYC, I always give it at the beginning when I register so that later I don't have problems like you said.
At first I really wanted to remain anonymous in gambling but due to several factors I inevitably started giving KYC to the casinos I used (Only trusted and reputable casinos).

I don't think there's any casino online in which you can gamble absolutely anonymous. Maybe for a small amount, but any major withdrawal I think would require some level of KYC.

If not, then it would be an easy way for people to launder money.

except for certain casinos that have a web3 casino base and really use the original system from web3 such as decentralization without being centralized which usually does not require any KYC when wanting to withdraw any amount and gamblers will remain anonymous by only connecting a wallet.

but usually such casinos have lower maximum betting limits than casinos that have KYC rules.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 27, 2023, 12:54:22 AM

I've been following what you suggest to play in reputable casinos for a long time and luckily, I've verified my account in several casinos in this forum.
I don't really like KYC but I have to accept it because it's a requirement set by the casino so I have to obey it if I still want to gamble at the casino.
After all, I think casinos will always protect personal data from customers, especially if it is their personal document.

The reason why people don't like doing KYC is not because they think that the casino will not deliberately protect their data but the thing is, there are always exploitations in user databases of platforms and services and that is where the data can be leaked. One more scenario is when the authorities ask for access to user data, a casino will probably give them access since they have no other choice.

Other than that, if you trust a casino you can obviously do KYC with them since it is a basic requirement these days if you want to withdraw your winnings no matter where you live or whatever, you have to comply with these rules.

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Quote from: nullama on April 29, 2023, 10:17:20 PM

I don't think there's any casino online in which you can gamble absolutely anonymous. Maybe for a small amount, but any major withdrawal I think would require some level of KYC.

If not, then it would be an easy way for people to launder money.

I do not think this is new at all, I mean the casinos know very well governments are watching them very closely and the moment they fail to identify someone which is gambling a lot of money they will get in trouble, so the casinos just follow the regulations which have been imposed to them and ask for your details when it is convenient for them to do it.

However if you are a gambler which does not use a lot of money then you can still hope to retain some level of privacy, but even this loophole will not last long as eventually governments will force centralized businesses on this industry to identify every single person which uses their services.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 28, 2023, 03:51:04 AM

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I agree with you guys because I myself prefer to get small wins but the freedom for KYC I get than having to give it later when I get a big win and the casino asks for it as a condition for withdrawal.
The casino should have said from the start that they would be enforcing KYC so that gamblers don't feel disappointed in the future.
There are a number of casinos that I use and they are different, of course some are non KYC, some also enforce KYC, but at casinos that enforce KYC, I always give it at the beginning when I register so that later I don't have problems like you said.
At first I really wanted to remain anonymous in gambling but due to several factors I inevitably started giving KYC to the casinos I used (Only trusted and reputable casinos).

I don't think there's any casino online in which you can gamble absolutely anonymous. Maybe for a small amount, but any major withdrawal I think would require some level of KYC.

If not, then it would be an easy way for people to launder money.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 27, 2023, 12:54:22 AM

So winning a small amount will be better than winning big than being asked to do KYC because it will definitely make us feel disappointed.
But if we are comfortable playing at the casino, it's better for us to immediately verify our account so that no more problems will arise later.
If the casino writes the rules but is not read by the gamblers, it is the fault of the gambler for not checking all the rules.

I agree with you guys because I myself prefer to get small wins but the freedom for KYC I get than having to give it later when I get a big win and the casino asks for it as a condition for withdrawal.
The casino should have said from the start that they would be enforcing KYC so that gamblers don't feel disappointed in the future.
There are a number of casinos that I use and they are different, of course some are non KYC, some also enforce KYC, but at casinos that enforce KYC, I always give it at the beginning when I register so that later I don't have problems like you said.
At first I really wanted to remain anonymous in gambling but due to several factors I inevitably started giving KYC to the casinos I used (Only trusted and reputable casinos).

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 27, 2023, 12:54:22 AM

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 24, 2023, 11:21:33 PM

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That's really happening, in some instances when you play and win small amount KYC is not required and the house will let you transfer your money, in my own take it's a strategy that brings gamblers to play and when they'll win decent amount of winnings, then they will experience the problem, before they can transfer the money KYC will be asked.

Common thing here is when they ask why all of the sudden they need to submit personal information, they will simply be referred to user agreement which commonly not being read by the gambler.

So winning a small amount will be better than winning big than being asked to do KYC because it will definitely make us feel disappointed.
But if we are comfortable playing at the casino, it's better for us to immediately verify our account so that no more problems will arise later.
If the casino writes the rules but is not read by the gamblers, it is the fault of the gambler for not checking all the rules.

And for me that's a big yes, if you are comfortable with the site and you really trust the owner/facilitator then doing the KYC is not going to be hard for you, completing the submission to avoid having difficulty when withdrawing your money will be a priority to you, just keep in mind that it's always ends up with your trust and how you pick the casino services to entrust your money and play your favorite gambling games.

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Quote from: madnessteat on April 25, 2023, 02:12:42 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 24, 2023, 11:21:33 PM

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If this trend scares you, choose casinos that ask for KYC at the time of registration, not after you win. Of course, this is not a guarantee that the casino will be honest or will not delay the payment of winnings.
I would advise to play only in reputable casinos with a good reputation and always be ready to go through KYC.

I've been following what you suggest to play in reputable casinos for a long time and luckily, I've verified my account in several casinos in this forum.
I don't really like KYC but I have to accept it because it's a requirement set by the casino so I have to obey it if I still want to gamble at the casino.
After all, I think casinos will always protect personal data from customers, especially if it is their personal document.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 24, 2023, 11:21:33 PM

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That's really happening, in some instances when you play and win small amount KYC is not required and the house will let you transfer your money, in my own take it's a strategy that brings gamblers to play and when they'll win decent amount of winnings, then they will experience the problem, before they can transfer the money KYC will be asked.

Common thing here is when they ask why all of the sudden they need to submit personal information, they will simply be referred to user agreement which commonly not being read by the gambler.

So winning a small amount will be better than winning big than being asked to do KYC because it will definitely make us feel disappointed.
But if we are comfortable playing at the casino, it's better for us to immediately verify our account so that no more problems will arise later.
If the casino writes the rules but is not read by the gamblers, it is the fault of the gambler for not checking all the rules.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 18, 2023, 05:32:40 PM

I agree that reputation is the most important thing, because casinos could always be the riskiest thing, you can't even sue them or you know expect any type of legal help if they end up turning out to be a scam, it is way harder.

This is why you have to trust them to be a decent place completely and that is why it is very important. On the other hand, other parts are not unimportant neither, they are of course what makes a casino go from good to great, like a lot of games, or a lot of deposit/withdraw options, rewards, support, all these matter for sure. But if the reputation is not there, then they can have all of those and still not be liked at all.

A casino that has good reputation is okay with all those features that Op has listed above. Online casino is something that we ars not seen physically, so the only way for us to believe on them is trust. And that trust must come from the customers who visit the site regularly. So all the things Op mentioned are just waste if there is no trust on the casino.
Like what is happening to 1xbit is a mess up. And all casinos should avoid such behavior. If anyone want to know a casino status, let them check the trust status of the site both in offline and online.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 24, 2023, 11:21:33 PM

Indeed, many casinos do not implement KYC when registering, which makes gamblers want to try the new casinos that have sprung up.
But the problem arises when they want to withdraw their winnings, where gamblers will immediately be asked to do KYC.
Many gamblers feel cheated by these regulations even though they are on the ToS page in casinos and many gamblers don't read them carefully.
But casinos still allow gamblers who win small money to withdraw their winnings and do not require gamblers to do KYC.

That's really happening, in some instances when you play and win small amount KYC is not required and the house will let you transfer your money, in my own take it's a strategy that brings gamblers to play and when they'll win decent amount of winnings, then they will experience the problem, before they can transfer the money KYC will be asked.

Common thing here is when they ask why all of the sudden they need to submit personal information, they will simply be referred to user agreement which commonly not being read by the gambler.

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Quote from: dollarday on April 10, 2023, 01:15:48 PM

For me, being able to make BTC deposits and withdrawals as well as the casino being a long trusted name matters the most to me.

The deals, bonuses and great odds / games mean nothing if the casino is going to cheat you, or even worse not payout your winnings.

You have to trust a place you are sending your BTC with no recourse.

What he says is not bad, I think that we all want that, but there are many drawbacks when we have that but it cannot be done with such freedom due to the fact that when bt rises in price the fee prices are expensive and it becomes difficult It is easy to withdraw because we all want to save, and I have not seen the implementation of LN in casinos, which they should do quickly, because when the btc reaches $100k it will be a big problem, because having btc will be good but bad To withdraw because the fees are high, of course one solution is internal exchanges, but I don't know which casinos will be willing to implement them.

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	Huge variety of games and different sections (sports, live tables, etc Good bonus/reward program Good looking, intuitive and fast user interface Good help desk Strong community/ Reputation The age of the site Casino's own token that pays dividends / ability to mine it by gambling Instant deposits & payments No Kyc Nr of payment methods	3 5 4 6 10 7 9 8 1 2

Actually all of these things are really that needed to have a casino which would really be getting attention if all of these aspects or qualities could really be seen.
It would really be just depending or basing up on someones preference on where they would be seeing themselves on playing comfortably, knowing
people does have their own choice when it comes to things.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 24, 2023, 12:01:44 AM

People are very sensitive when it comes to matters related to money, and this is even more true on this industry, in which a small delay can be interpreted by some gamblers as a reluctance by the casino to pay to their gamblers what they are owed.

So fast and reliable withdrawals are at the very top of the characteristics a casino must have in order to have any chance to become successful, as a casino that failed in this aspect will soon find itself facing huge difficulties to attract new gamblers.

It shows how people value money so much but I can not blame them for that because I know that money is hard to find. Gambling is risky so a gambler is happy once they win and they are now excited to hold that money on their hands. Another risk is if the casino is a scam and will not process their payment.

I wouldn't mind a small delay because that is normal as the network can sometimes be congested. I will only be alarmed if the payments are not processed for a couple of hours if the site promise instant withdrawals. There is more than the fast withdrawal if a casino wants to be successful so they must work their other features too.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 24, 2023, 11:21:33 PM

Indeed, many casinos do not implement KYC when registering, which makes gamblers want to try the new casinos that have sprung up.
But the problem arises when they want to withdraw their winnings, where gamblers will immediately be asked to do KYC.
Many gamblers feel cheated by these regulations even though they are on the ToS page in casinos and many gamblers don't read them carefully.
But casinos still allow gamblers who win small money to withdraw their winnings and do not require gamblers to do KYC.

If this trend scares you, choose casinos that ask for KYC at the time of registration, not after you win. Of course, this is not a guarantee that the casino will be honest or will not delay the payment of winnings.
I would advise to play only in reputable casinos with a good reputation and always be ready to go through KYC.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on April 24, 2023, 07:39:07 AM

Quote from: nullama on April 18, 2023, 07:24:19 PM

I think that's probably the hardest hurdle for a legit new casino. And also probably one of the tools new shady casinos use to keep your money in their platform.

If it's smooth, then people will keep coming back, even if it's new.

What I noticed in old casinos is that they are straight-forward, like you need KYC before withdrawing, and there is no false advertisement just to attract the attention of the gamblers, unlike in the new one where they say that there are no KYC, but the hidden fact is that there are no KYC when signing up, but when withdrawing funds there are. All of us really want smooth transactions like the same how smooth to deposit in their platform

By old casinos, do you mean the ones which have been around for some years by now and are trusted by the community? If so, then you are right. Even if they are not straightforward about the KYC policy, they at least don't say that there is no KYC requirement, and they have it written very clearly in their terms and conditions.

Some of the new casinos might also have it in their terms and conditions but they tend to do false advertisement only to attract new customers and then when the customers find out that they are asking for KYC, they starting creating threads and accusations against them. I recently saw a case like that on the forum.

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