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Quote from: DarkBullet on September 18, 2018, 07:46:44 AM

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Most of them are fully aware that merits require effort, higher rank members look at their meta posts as eye soar rightfully because most of them are .
Any one with some intelegence would read the meta sections and would understand how the system works and will get a ton of examples of merited Newbie posts, thus in general i dont think that your thread has value.

Also i want to add that most of higher rank members would love to see good posts from Newbies to merit . They are extremly hard to find.

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Quote from: DarkBullet on September 18, 2018, 07:46:44 AM

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits. Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post. Roll Eyes

Newbies aren't a race of people anybody is discriminating against. It's shitposters who people have a problem with regardless or rank, and you can be a shitposter with a Hero account, it's just a sad fact that the majority of spammers obviously happen to be Newbies or lower ranked members and this was just getting worse and worse as more and more people were coming to this forum just to earn by posting. When you know little to nothing about bitcoin and can't speak English very well then that is just a recipe for disaster and it's those users people are annoyed with because they've made the forum a spam-fest almost unfit for purpose, and that's not just because they're a Newbie. Nobody merely cares about that. If Newbies were coming here and making great posts then there would be no issue, but the matter of the fact is most them aren't. Now with the merit system any decent poster will quickly rise though the ranks, but if you're still a Newbie hundreds if not thousands of posts later then the issue lies with the quality of their content.

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I can't agree with you. For your info, I'm also a newbie and somehow I got 2 merit. Doesn't it prove that newbies are treated in a proper way.
Newbies are treated in such way (as you mentioned) only if he/she is merit beggar, you can easily find out who is here for merit or real interest. What you have to do is only check newbie's post history before +1 merit a post.

bungutko

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I understand the sentiment of the OP with regards to newbies treated in the forum where I believe that everybody is entitled to their opinion. In the event that the situation is something that could offend in some way to the other, what is more important is that just continue to do the right thing and improve your posts and accept open minded on the comment from the other members. Just treat it as a constructive criticism even how harsh it is and try to improve further so that you could reach the goal you are aiming for.

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Quote from: DarkBullet on September 18, 2018, 07:46:44 AM

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post. Roll Eyes

Speaking of Newbies, we all realize that coming from there with various challenges?

For example:
Where is there $ 10 dollars if there is no $ 1 dollar,
The bottom line:
To be the best Newbie, of course, many conditions must be met.
But in this Forum.
For those of you who are new, ask yourself if you understand how to do the best, what causes us to be newbies to be unprofessional, and the most important thing is of course understanding in the Forum and posting itself.

"so that means if you have knowledge about crypto, bitcoin, problems, procedures etc., you can say that you are the person who has the best part of the Bitcointalk Forum, (professional Newbie) according to the post insights you have."

"Well, I will not discuss too much about the meaning of the Newbie itself, for a professional or not profesional Newbie itself you can read it in the Meta Topic Forum or about Crypto, Bitcoin in print and news."

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Quote from: DarkBullet on September 18, 2018, 07:46:44 AM

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Then what is your posting all about?

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Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits.

Because that is the fact 99% of newbies are not here just to learn. Most of them are here to just earn easy bucks that is it.

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Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

There are alot already who were trying to help them but since they show no interest all the efforts are just useless. I will mention's jetcash effort for instance.

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Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post. Roll Eyes

Because telling them the truth is much better way so they could understand what is going on because no matter what you say if they don't realize the importance of making such posts they will never do it.

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Quote from: Safah on September 26, 2018, 10:10:14 PM

I think not all beginners make posts that end with spam, some of them contribute to the progress of the forum by making quality posts but not getting rewards from what they do must be fixed. seniors do not have to say cruelly to reprimand those who are wrong but say what is right.

It's absolutely depend on people on how they will and should react in criticism, some will take it as a challenge and some are being a butt hurt. Yes, it's somehow degrading and you'll pity yourself and that's fine, better yet pick up yourself and motivate and look up those people on how they create a meaningful and helpful posts. If you just live by pity you'll be miserable, nobody will help you anyway.

To avoid getting your post buried in spam then don't post on nonsense topic, find a thread that spammers don't know how to create a reply and of course, don't post on megathreads.

Safah

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I think not all beginners make posts that end with spam, some of them contribute to the progress of the forum by making quality posts but not getting rewards from what they do must be fixed. seniors do not have to say cruelly to reprimand those who are wrong but say what is right.

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Newbies are conscious of activity count when posting, and not merit until now that merit is introduced for ranking up. The updated rule is a wake up call for them to look intently at what they are contributing to the forum. It is like back to school.

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Quote from: Osamede on September 26, 2018, 07:01:42 PM

Being a newbie is almost like a bad penny these days, it is easy to get scorned (rightly so sometimes), I hope we do not get too 'unwelcoming' and demoralize newbies with too much criticism. Many newbies are battling with basics, so once in a while, it helps to be patient with them and make some corrections on how posts can be better.It tedious on the part of higher ranks but it is for the greater good.

When I see a genuine newbie struggling I usually send them a PM and help them understand some of the etiquette of bitcointalk.

As tmfp surmised it very effectively about the moderation and trust systems:

Quote from: tmfp on September 24, 2018, 03:36:18 PM

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There's no need for this to be a complete explanation of everything on the forum.

It seems to be a source of (understandable) confusion amongst new members that there are, in fact, two regulatory bodies on BCT.

One lot has rules it doesn't apply and the other lot applies rules it doesn't have; can be a bit of a head fuck for them.

Sometimes a kind PM to a newbie helps them understand the rules and etiquette without feeling picked on. There are far too many spambies to do that to individually so I only do that for those that show they are genuinely interested in participating in conversation.

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Quote from: jointherevolution on September 26, 2018, 01:19:11 PM

I do not think it as anyone's job to take the responsibility to tell newbies what is a right and what is a wrong post. No one told me when I was a newbie, no one is telling me now. How could most of high ranking members know anyway? They got their ranks without the necessity of merits. They are not wise, they are just here longer.

Another butt hurted Member, its all in the responsiblility of the members to follow the rules. It is as simple as the, High rankers duty is to report anyone who break the rules and scam other members. Just move on with your life, you dont even know the issues.

Cashi

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Quote from: JQCrypto on September 26, 2018, 07:28:31 PM

I dont know why they need such many posts a week. I think they should require 3-5 posts/week. That is enough.
Submitting 10 or more posts/week just like spamming...

The problem is the entire strategy of these spam advertising ICOs. There would be no problem if they only require 5 posts per week, but quality posts instead of 10 or 15 shitposts per week. There would be no difference for the visibility of the advertised project, but the forum would have around 50% less spam.
The explanation is quite easy: if there are more posts of every project, the visibility of these posts is decreasing, because they are very soon buried with other shitposts. If there would be less shitposts, the latest post would be visible for a longer time resulting in the same visibility. Instead of 2 shitposts immediately buried with other shitposts we need 1 quality post causing less spam for everyone.

But many projects are interested in having more posts per week related to other projects to increase the visibility of their posts. This is causing the spam problem and it would be easy to reduce spam by limiting the posts per week.

JQCrypto

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Quote from: markiz73 on September 18, 2018, 08:51:55 AM

I saw on sale hundreds of accounts from 1 seller of the rank of a member and full member.
Then it is necessary to deprive the signature of all the ranks below the Sr.member.
Some bounties of the company require 10 posts a week, some 20, and some 50.
Can be imposed a ban and set a maximum number of posts for all the bounty companies. For example, not more than 10 per week.

You say that it's bad when a person gets it and gives nothing in return. I agree with you. But on enthusiasm, too, will not last long.
Therefore, there must be a balance.

I dont know why they need such many posts a week. I think they should require 3-5 posts/week. That is enough.
Submitting 10 or more posts/week just like spamming...

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Most newbies on this forum do not contribute anything of value, that is the sad truth of the matter. It is genuinely rare to spot a high quality newbie, simply because they are completely buried betwixt all the bounty spammers and shill posters that plague the forum. I think it's a case of painting them all with the same brush unfortunately, as it's gotten so bad that we can almost assume that every newbie we will see is shitposter of one variety or another.

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Quote from: DarkBullet on September 18, 2018, 07:46:44 AM

I am not posting this to gain merit or to pamper those newbies but ever since this Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements or this updated Merit & new rank requirements came out, these people started to cry, shout out for justice or starting creating post to take consideration with the changes.

Now, here is what I observed. Those newbies with or without hundred activities are treated as shit posters now or an eye soar when they are creating a suggestion thread related to or like how to gain merits. Those comments I am seeing from higher ranks sounds discriminating. I respect how you react with those post but try to think before you react negatively. Try advising them what's wrong with their post and help them to improve. Don't look down on those post created by newbies and stop thinking that they are only creating this thread to gain merit to rank up.

Yes, your rank is higher and you might be too knowledgeable but why don't you act base on your rank? I mean, act in a professional way and give them a proper advise instead of discriminating their post. Roll Eyes

Being a newbie is almost like a bad penny these days, it is easy to get scorned (rightly so sometimes), I hope we do not get too 'unwelcoming' and demoralize newbies with too much criticism. Many newbies are battling with basics, so once in a while, it helps to be patient with them and make some corrections on how posts can be better.It tedious on the part of higher ranks but it is for the greater good.

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Quote from: jointherevolution on September 26, 2018, 01:19:11 PM

I do not think it as anyone's job to take the responsibility to tell newbies what is a right and what is a wrong post. No one told me when I was a newbie, no one is telling me now.

Wow you're lucky as a newbie then, because most senior members do that to newbies no matter when you join the forum in 2015 people were moaning at me for being some sort of sig spammer (even when I started a functioning service - still a sig spammer to them)...

It's not an individual's responsibility to take out the bad users, it's the community as a whole who are employed to do it (with payments of knowledge and merit for when they are in high supply)

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Quote from: jointherevolution on September 26, 2018, 01:19:11 PM

I do not think it as anyone's job to take the responsibility to tell newbies what is a right and what is a wrong post. No one told me when I was a newbie, no one is telling me now. How could most of high ranking members know anyway? They got their ranks without the necessity of merits. They are not wise, they are just here longer.

No, it isn’t anyone’s responsibility, and each one is the sole responsible of what he decides to do on the forum. There are rules an general guidelines, and since this is a forum, people will form their opinion on any given post and respond to it. It’s part of the interaction process that may or may not lead on to developing a topic further, and that one could agree or beg to differ from.

Anaxagoras stated that in everything there is a share of everything. In ranks that applies too, and there are Legendries of all sorts and heroes of all sorts (just as with Newbies). But what is important is the proportions, and here I’d say that higher ranks tend to bring on average more to the table than lower ranks, precisely because they have been here longer and know the perks better than others. You will obviously find exceptions, that’s why I’m looking at the average side of things.

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Quote from: jointherevolution on September 26, 2018, 01:19:11 PM

They are not wise, they are just here longer.

They have greater knowledge because they interacted and communicated. Sadly the bulk of new members aren't interested in interaction and the acquisitionof knowledge. All they want to do is to stick boring repetitive fly posters all over the boards.

jointherevolution

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I do not think it as anyone's job to take the responsibility to tell newbies what is a right and what is a wrong post. No one told me when I was a newbie, no one is telling me now. How could most of high ranking members know anyway? They got their ranks without the necessity of merits. They are not wise, they are just here longer.

mahvia

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Quote from: bitmover on September 18, 2018, 08:01:13 AM

First of all, this is not a matter of action professional. Higher ranks do not work here, neither do newbies.

Those newbies you are defending are Mostly bots. They just write "good project" or useless posts all the time, just to make one more post for a campaign. They have zero contribution yo the forum and no respect for rules.

And some of those users have dozens or even hundreds of accounts.

and all those Mostly bots create new topics why they are newbies again? I'm pretty sure OP was not about that..

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