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Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

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I barely think I have understood anything from the discussion above. Lolz.

First thing first, why would anyone want to add text like these. Is there any purpose behind this feature or it is jut something that is added because we can do it with the help of wallet feature?

One of reason OP_RETURN exist is to discourage people from storing arbitrary data using Bitcoin address. Although there aren't many wallet which let you create transaction which contain OP_RETURN.

Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

Let us say I am transacting someone so its probably after discussion with them over a chat box or phone call and let us say some business I did with them. That would be my first line of communication. So why go through such complicated message addition if that can also screw up with the accidental money spending with this feature as discussed above?

Aside from what @o_e_l_e_o said, i've seen people use OP_RETURN to make public statement[1] or sharing BitTorrent magnet link[2].

Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

I saw the message, and does it hide the bitcoin address if we add the message?

No.

[1] https://preturnio.com/results?p=1&b=congrats&ft=1
[2] https://preturnio.com/results?p=1&b=magnet&ft=1

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Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

Let us say I am transacting someone so its probably after discussion with them over a chat box or phone call and let us say some business I did with them. That would be my first line of communication. So why go through such complicated message addition if that can also screw up with the accidental money spending with this feature as discussed above?

OP_RETURN is a proof of burning because its output is not spendable and therefore it is a POB because the resulting transactions are invalid.
It is something that exists in the Bitcoin network, meaning that it is not a feature associated with a specific wallet, although some wallets may not support it.

OP_RETURN has applications such as proof-of-ownership or the transfer of additional information over an insecure channel, just as it happens when we want to initiate an encrypted communication network between two parties and we want to send the private key in both directions, or what is known as the Elliptic-curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) protocol.

Using it to save data is wrong because recording data is expensive, it cannot be erased, and everyone can see it, as the cost of data is almost equivalent to the cost of a Bitcoin transaction and the number of words is limited.
There are cheaper and more efficient alternatives.

OUCH! o_e_l_e_o writes faster than me. I had to delete some parts.

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 13, 2023, 10:59:55 AM

I just realized OP_RETURN has a similarity with the Bitcoin Ordinal though they both are different.

Bitcoin Ordinal is an injection of extra data which is a SPAM while OP_RETURN has some advantages.

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Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

First thing first, why would anyone want to add text like these. Is there any purpose behind this feature or it is jut something that is added because we can do it with the help of wallet feature?

There are some purposes beyond adding arbitrary text. For example, Samourai Whirlpool Tx0 transactions contain an OP_RETURN output with data which allows the automatic coordinator to track outputs. Here's a recent random example I pulled from the blockchain: https://mempool.space/tx/ba3793dba5988e0acc2b36aac1ee67c34c805a18e76a8af26e424f338269dc08

There are things like Omni, which is a layer two system which allows people to transact altcoins on the bitcoin network. Here is an Omni transaction which is actually sending Tether between two addresses: https://mempool.space/tx/80373137c00a8e47998b886b60056fb228dc7b61caa8840e5ce5cab29c3db1d4

And then of course there is the arbitrary text, such as the following: https://mempool.space/tx/94310784a576d2d51246d4344ccab638467a6da8663ec1fb707e8a3882aceffd

If you want to explore OP_RETURN outputs more, then I would recommend playing around with this site: https://preturnio.com/

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Quote from: Flexystar on June 13, 2023, 10:38:42 AM

First thing first, why would anyone want to add text like these. Is there any purpose behind this feature or it is jut something that is added because we can do it with the help of wallet feature?

It's more a method of storing data in the blockchain. We are using the word "message" here. But you are free to call it text or whatever you want. I don't know what exactly OP_RETURN refers to lol. I'm only using it for fun. You can further explore OP_RETURN here- https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_RETURN
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Check out this article- https://blog.finxter.com/bitcoin-op_return-exploring-its-functionality-and-use-cases/

I just realized OP_RETURN has a similarity with the Bitcoin Ordinal though they both are different.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 06, 2023, 10:31:44 AM

I just did it- https://mempool.space/tx/a5b6398a7684bae89deb758abb64ffb42b16942359963e303e0adf5343aa5cfd

Craig is a liar and fraud

Nice message, although you're not the first to do so based on search result from https://preturnio.com/results?p=1&b=Craig&ft=0.

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 06, 2023, 12:52:06 PM

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That's it. Make sure you read the guide above, specially the warning. Learn first what you are going to do.

And optionally use testnet first, especially if you don't want to spend money or afraid accidental doing something stupid.

I barely think I have understood anything from the discussion above. Lolz.

First thing first, why would anyone want to add text like these. Is there any purpose behind this feature or it is jut something that is added because we can do it with the help of wallet feature?

Let us say I am transacting someone so its probably after discussion with them over a chat box or phone call and let us say some business I did with them. That would be my first line of communication. So why go through such complicated message addition if that can also screw up with the accidental money spending with this feature as discussed above?

I saw the message, and does it hide the bitcoin address if we add the message? Like in the above case all other transactions BTC address is visible but theirs is just replaced with message. Just to spread message or look cool or what importance it has?

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 06, 2023, 12:52:06 PM

It's pretty much easier than I thought at first. Yeah I followed his suggestion and I did it with Electrum. It's as easy as below part-
1. Convert text to hexadecimal
2. Select the utxo you want to spend.
3. Paste the address you want to send the fund and then use a comma, then the amount you want to send.
4. Press enter, in latest Electrum (not sure whether it was same in the previous version), it didnt work by pressing enter. I had to select pay to many first since I was going with a new line.
5. Write- OP_RETURN and a space, then paste your hexadecimal code. Put a comma and then 0. Use 0 here so you don't have to lose extra funds. You will get the rest amount in your change address.
6. Congrats, release the transaction.

That's it. Make sure you read the guide above, specially the warning. Learn first what you are going to do.

I don't know it's possible with Bitcoin Core or not, no one mentioned this here. I would recommend using electrum first to learn the process.

Thank you for the detailed answer!

I did a test with sending a small tip to bitmover and it worked well via Electrum

https://mempool.space/fr/tx/c2b5eea3e485a284ed9c7fad814e69fa6f23aff26ac0176c6262a80e3ca04691

When I will have access to my Bitcoin Core, I will do a test following the advises shared by nc50lc

Thank you guys for all the help provided, and to Little Mouse for creating this interesting topic ! Cheesy

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 06, 2023, 10:31:44 AM

I just did it- https://mempool.space/tx/a5b6398a7684bae89deb758abb64ffb42b16942359963e303e0adf5343aa5cfd

Craig is a liar and fraud

Nice message, although you're not the first to do so based on search result from https://preturnio.com/results?p=1&b=Craig&ft=0.

I wanted to learn how to add a message and I tried to add a Bengali sentence first. The output was broken, it doesn't support Bengali. I didn't any more think about new sentences. Just followed the message from the tutorial. I liked the message from the tutorial so I added that.

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And optionally use testnet first, especially if you don't want to spend money or afraid accidental doing something stupid.

Thanks but after reading the tutorial and answers here, everything seems easy. That's why I didn't go for testnet anymore.

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Quote from: Not your key not your BTC on June 07, 2023, 03:27:18 AM

Does not burdened blockchain?

Creating an OP_RETURN output means that that data is forever stored in the blockchain, yes. However, OP_RETURN outputs are not stored in the set of unspent transactions, so they do not burden nodes in the same way that burn addresses do.

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Does not burdened blockchain?

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Quote from: paid2 on June 06, 2023, 12:43:27 PM

From my side, I'm going to try with Bitcoin Core, I've never done it before and your post has made me want to give it a try.

It can't be done in the GUI but doable in the command line or console.
Just learn to use send command, then to add an OP_RETURN output, simply add a "data" key with the value of your hex-encoded message.

Example command:

Code:

send "{\"bc1address\": amount,\"data\":\"4372616967205772696768742069732061206c69617220616e642061206672617564\"}"

You can also manually create the transaction via createrawtransaction command to be able to create a transaction with an OP_RETURN output.
Like in "send", it should be added as the value of the "data" key in the outputs.

Example command:

Code:

createrawtransaction "[{\"txid\":\"\",\"vout\":0}]" "[{\"\":},{\"data\": \"4372616967205772696768742069732061206c69617220616e642061206672617564\"}]"

Since it's a manual process, the fee should be computed from the difference of the input's amount and the total amount of the output(s).
On a side note: This method is where the "or it'll be set a fee" warning should be.

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Quote from: paid2 on June 06, 2023, 12:43:27 PM

How did you do it? Did you follow the tutorial shared by OmegaStarScream and did it with Electrum?

It's pretty much easier than I thought at first. Yeah I followed his suggestion and I did it with Electrum. It's as easy as below part-
1. Convert text to hexadecimal
2. Select the utxo you want to spend.
3. Paste the address you want to send the fund and then use a comma, then the amount you want to send.
4. Press enter, in latest Electrum (not sure whether it was same in the previous version), it didnt work by pressing enter. I had to select pay to many first since I was going with a new line.
5. Write- OP_RETURN and a space, then paste your hexadecimal code. Put a comma and then 0. Use 0 here so you don't have to lose extra funds. You will get the rest amount in your change address.
6. Congrats, release the transaction.

That's it. Make sure you read the guide above, specially the warning. Learn first what you are going to do.

I don't know it's possible with Bitcoin Core or not, no one mentioned this here. I would recommend using electrum first to learn the process.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 06, 2023, 10:31:44 AM

I just did it- https://mempool.space/tx/a5b6398a7684bae89deb758abb64ffb42b16942359963e303e0adf5343aa5cfd

Haha well done! We can't spread this message enough Cheesy

How did you do it? Did you follow the tutorial shared by OmegaStarScream and did it with Electrum?

From my side, I'm going to try with Bitcoin Core, I've never done it before and your post has made me want to give it a try.

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I just did it- https://mempool.space/tx/a5b6398a7684bae89deb758abb64ffb42b16942359963e303e0adf5343aa5cfd

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on June 03, 2023, 05:21:51 AM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 29, 2023, 01:27:51 PM

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Cool topic, will give that electrum guide a try. Seems you need to be really careful to specify a change address, otherwise the funds will be "lost" to the miner.

Are there any adroid wallets supporting this feature? I know there is electrum for android, but it sucks, so anything aside from that?

That warning is quite exaggerated though,
because Electrum will not let you create the transaction with "0" amount OP_RETURN alone.
And if it has a non-dust amount and you forgot to set a custom change address, Electrum will automatically dedicate a change address if there's an excess amount from the selected UTXO.
And if the custom change address amount is set too low for the input, Electrum will also use an actual change address.

He might have though of it because of his approach on using coin-control.
Notice that even though he set 2.3sat/B (356sat) in the advanced preview, his total fee is 500sat which is the excess from the input, (the excess is added as fee because it's dust)
But if he selected an input with higher amount or lower the amount of the change address, Electrum will use one of his change address to receive the excess, not set it all as fee.

What he/you need to do is to set the custom change address' amount to "!" to send all of the selected UTXO's amount to it in consideration of the fee rate that you'll set.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 29, 2023, 01:27:51 PM

Yes, you can do that using OP_RETURN. I'm not sure about other wallets, but I know Electrum supports it. Here's a step-by-step guide for it:

https://armantheparman.com/op_return/

Make sure to read the warnings.

Cool topic, will give that electrum guide a try. Seems you need to be really careful to specify a change address, otherwise the funds will be "lost" to the miner.

Are there any adroid wallets supporting this feature? I know there is electrum for android, but it sucks, so anything aside from that?

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on May 30, 2023, 03:10:36 AM

or OP_RETURN It's easier than that. All you need is in the Pay to field, type OP_RETURN deadbeef, and in the description, type your message, and make sure the value is zero because it is an invalid transaction and your coins will be burned.

Take note that the "message" should be in hexadecimal, in which a normal text should be converted into HEX.
"deafbeef" just incidentally consists of hexadecimal characters that's why it's valid.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on May 30, 2023, 11:15:28 PM

Then "Add to coin control" is the same option, isn't it?

Yes. "Add to/Remove from coin control" has replaced "Spend from".

https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/pull/8156

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on May 30, 2023, 01:52:23 PM

Since you can't specify where you're sending it from, you should make sure to choose where you want to send the remaining amount.

I see. Then "Add to coin control" is the same option, isn't it? Because when I add an input in coin control, it will only let me spend that particular fund. Got it now. In other case, I can also try with freezing other addresses.

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It's probably best to test this with a wallet that only has a couple of dollars and nothing else just to make sure you're doing everything correctly.

If the above statement is correct, then I got the warning. I would test it yesterday. Thank you for the help and alert me the possible risk. I will try with a small input.

Thank you everyone.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on May 29, 2023, 11:11:50 PM

I don't know what I'm missing, pardon me. I can't see the spend option either. I'm trying to spend funds from the address list of coins tab. What does this "spend from" mean? Spend from X address? -snip-

Yes, I just checked Electrum and apparently, that option is gone. I'm not sure if one can use it from somewhere else, but if downgrading is not an option, then I would imagine you should still be able to achieve what you want without that step.

But again, please be careful and make sure to read the warnings in that article.

As for this:

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Final warning: To spell it out further, if you have for example a 1.0 bitcoin UTXO to spend, and you set the OP_Return value to zero sats (good), and an payment of 0.1 bitcoin to an address, and nothing else specified, then the remainder (0.9 bitcoin) will be sent to the miner! Don’t do that.

Since you can't specify where you're sending it from, you should make sure to choose where you want to send the remaining amount.

It's probably best to test this with a wallet that only has a couple of dollars and nothing else just to make sure you're doing everything correctly.

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There are two types of messages, one of which is you write your message in the bitcoin address (a valid address, but it is not possible to generate a private key for it)

TX: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/54215bf9b24db3dbf3463f305128caa0c6ac5be8fd6e7d5d534f494855fd1689

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Quote from: Little Mouse on May 29, 2023, 11:11:50 PM

I don't know what I'm missing, pardon me. I can't see the spend option either. I'm trying to spend funds from the address list of coins tab. What does this "spend from" mean? Spend from X address? Then is it the same as "Add to coin control" in the current version of electrum?

or OP_RETURN It's easier than that. All you need is in the Pay to field, type OP_RETURN deadbeef, and in the description, type your message, and make sure the value is zero because it is an invalid transaction and your coins will be burned.

source https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/1380058456854528001

A great site for all OP_RETURN previous messages is here Project: Preturnio - a full text search engine for Bitcoin

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