Topic: How to deal with bumping via fake conversation? - page 2. (Read 1513 times)

Sweet mother of Crisco... forward and 30stomachs are still posting, despite that I have submitted 3 reports of plagiarism for each on them! Well, a new day with plenty of new plagiarism to report so I just nailed them for a couple more infractions each, bringing their totals up to 5!

It will definitely be interesting to see if milonite deletes any of our "off-topic" posts, but I'd really like to see the little spaz banned for "incentivizing posting" through the use of bump-bots. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but a man can dream...


EDIT 1 - 3 of the 4 reports I submitted a few minutes ago have already been marked good; let's see if Neluns grinds to a halt for at least a few hours before a new pair of bots are brought online!

EDIT 2 - Keep your eye on the SafeInsure thread as two ancient accounts from 2013/14 have been wiped clean and started posting gibberish so these are likely bump-bots running a new script (no plagiarism yet).

EDIT 3 - posts 1126 & 1127 in the SafeInsure thread are plagiarized and reported.

EDIT 4 - bots from earlier were nuked (ie - accounts banned and all posts deleted) but new bots came online to replace them and I've already nailed each for 1 plagiarism report so far.

I see that the NELUNS [ANN] thread OP milonite logged in today for the first time in a couple of weeks, answering briefly on another of his bounty threads, for MINDOL the [ANN] of which has also received the Pong Bot treatment.

It will be interesting to see whether

a) He indulges in mass self mod deleting
b) The Pongs continue to stink the place out

The same bots currently in operation the Neluns thread - 30stomachs and forward - are going strong on a thread I targeted early on here: EvenCoin. Also as mentioned in my last post to the Neluns thread, the same bots - though not this pair - have been used on the Neogame.io thread.

Finally, another thread that I also targeted in the beginning - DBX - appears to have been trashed, as it is no longer available and I didn't add that section to my ignore list. So, global mods are taking some action against these artificially bumped threads, it's just taking a lot of reports to get to that point (or someone higher ranked than me to do the reporting - xtraelv helped with nailing DBX).

Well their paj**t bumping scam has rather rebounded.
This link summarizes quite well my suspicions that the whole NELUNS structure was/is a complete scam (and saves me an effortpost, so just a lazy linked Scam Accusation instead)

https://ttrcoin.com/threads/neluns-io-scam.2796/

The italicized is precisely why I started this thread: this new scheme of simulating a conversation could be an insidious way of spamming the forum with little recourse available in the current set of rules. Right now we are able to take them out - albeit highly inefficiently - because they are committing plagiarism by recycling entire conversations over and over again, but if the bots get just a little bit more clever and start spouting random gibberish instead of copying and pasting we'll just be left with reporting them for "low value posts," and mods are far more reluctant to nuke/ban for that offense compared to plagiarism.

Really, the OP for each of these threads needs to be banned for "incentivized posting" and the threads locked or nuked since both threads are self-moderated and the vast majority of the posts therein are plagiarized. However, the mods are not only leaving the reports in which I have requested such unhandled, they are requiring 3 or more examples of plagiarism for each user before banning them. I hear you on not coming down too hard on the mods because they have a shitty job, but in some respects they are the ones to blame for making the job shittier than it need be. Mind you, I understand why they might be reluctant to nuke a thread just on the report of a full member like me, but when you or xtraelv or others that have been here for years join the fray they really ought to take more notice.

Think the mod should really give Neluns the critical look - or even make an example off. I've seen the guys offering these short of services proudly approaching and pitching how they can keep your ANN as a top 3 thread (not even just the first page anymore, but the top 3!). Legitimate projects may feel pressured to hire these guys just for visibility sakes (or some shitty CMO who doesn't know jack about marketing, community engagement, and retention). What worries me the most is if such services are being patronized in a bear market, what will happen during bull?

I have half an hour before the pub opens, so having a little fun there.
I don't like criticizing mods, they have a shit job and generally do it very well but I can't help thinking that, unless they take firmer action, this could be the thin end of the wedge and this type of Pong spam will become the New Normal.

Her expression is priceless, and that graph might as well have a drawing of the moon in the upper right corner!

I see you are trying to fight the good fight in the Neluns thread, but the mods failed to nuke the two old newbie accounts brought online yesterday - 30stomachs and Forward - even after I provided 2 examples of plagiarism for each of them. I submitted a 3rd example for each this morning but, really, one should be sufficient for banning anyone, much less a <30 activity newbie!

One can't simple turn off bots.
They are working hard to list tokens on exchange in October. Discussing on time machine, back to the future III, using some bounty money to upgrade delorean and so on.

Or maybe when they exit scammed, with the minute real percentage of the claimed $136m, they forgot to turn off everything in their short term rental offices?
Or maybe they sent the missing bounty money to the bumping service by mistake?

What's 200,000,000 * $1200? About half a Warren Buffet.
No wonder the woman on the right looks skeptical. She's their Marketing person, the one who hasn't tweeted anything for a month.
A New York marketer, hasn't used Twitter for four weeks? Must be dead, or smth.

This clip from LA Story is exactly how this is playing out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVMTfGQe51g

I guess MagicSmoker has to report fake conversations in Neluns thread for two more years. 

According to whitepaper they will run IPO in 2020, maybe that's why?

Oh yeah, I meant announcement threads in general, sorry I didn't specify which one I had in mind.

As for self-moderated ones, if those who started them allow plagiarism and spam posting behavior for an extended period of time, they should be held accountable, no doubt about it.

Ah, but both the Neogame.io and Neluns threads are self-moderated... Like I (successfully) argued for the locking of the Roomdao ANN thread, if there is that much spamming/plagiarism going on - where conversations are literally recycled from just a few days ago - then the OP can and should be held responsible.

I don't think that moderators will be willing to take action and lock/trash announcement threads because of:

• bots and shills
• % of deleted posts
• banned accounts
• pyramid quotes and fake conversations

As you said, it could be used as a tactic to damage/undermine legitimate projects and because we can't prove that these accounts have any direct connection with the project itself, although they bump threads with spam and copypasta, mods can't do anything other than delete posts and ban individual accounts reported for plagiarism...this is at least what I noticed so far.

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They had a lowkey shill topic in 'Economics' claiming project have raised $1 billion dollars _{(smart contract contributions are around $150k USD)} 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044166.20

Welp, I just reported 3 posts each of the latest pair of plagiarizing bots, but, yes, the far better solution at this point - and the one that would truly punish the projects - would be to ban the OPs and lock the ANN threads.

I imagine the global mods are reluctant to lock a thread, especially if only recommended by a single full member (ie - me), but if more of you report the OP for likely using a paid bumping service and cite the vast number of posts being reported for plagiarism (as in, pretty much all of them!?) there's a better chance the thread gets locked/trashed and the OP banned (and for your reporting convenience I provided direct links to the OP of each thread in a post above).

This $136,000,000 ! ! ICO seems to have flown under most people's radar on here, including mine.
Not only an exchange, a bank too. Not only an exchange and a bank, an insurance company too....

I'm looking at a rather complex scenario which interests me at the mo involving several U.S. based entities. I came upon Neluns thru the back door, so to speak, so decided to test the water with a post or two in their [ANN] thread.
The behavior described (and other factors) has piqued my interest further and, although I'm some way from an effortpost, it's likely that Neluns strange media approach may well end up being counter productive in the bigger picture.

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Today's bot interaction confirms the average time between each post in this game of spam Pong is six minutes, involving sets of ~eight posts/replies.

If these bots are bumping the treads with posts in every 5-10 minutes, you just won't be able to report (and mods to delete) the posts in time before the next bumping post if I understand it well.
If you report the most recent post, by the time it gots deleted, a new bumping post will come and the whole work with the previous post would worth little because the topic would still be on the top, thanks to the new bump...
We need something else for the bumping bots because pure reporting seems just waste of time and resource...
What happens if we start to deal with topics instead of individual posts?
Let's say if a topic has 100 posts in it and 10 of the posts has been reported (and deleted by a mod), it means it's not a 100% topic, but just 90%. If 50 posts are deleted, the topic is only good for 50%.
If a topic reaches the 50% in reported posts, worth locking or delete or anything...
I know that bumping bots and shills could use this to kill the competitor topics, but in the ANN section this is the same with bumping the first 10 topics, all of the others are nearly killed because people just can't find them on the first few pages...
Just an idea...

According to ICOBench, Neluns completed their ICO a month ago, didn't they? Why are these shill/bot accounts still active? There is no point in creating fake buzz now after everything has finished. Hmm, I'm missing something here...

Maybe bots are hired for a certain period of time, which obviously has not ended yet... and they have to fulfill their contract, otherwise, these hardworking employees might not get paid by Neluns.