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Topic: how to find bots on our faucet so we can earn good money (Read 2697 times)

newbie
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Thanks for that Grin... I will give it a go. i want to try and find a way to navigate people off the page after a POST request after they have claimed if it is at all possible, just to limit any false bans back button refresh etc. Would definitely be nice to see that huge red mountain engulfing the green solve rate go down if not disappear. 18 solves 120k impressions eCPM <0.01

Now about to lose what sanity I have left looking through my newly acquired log files. Would be awesome to stop them at system level. Faucet is down by the way. Bots aren't bothered and I'm genuinely sorry to the 2 or so genuine users that will most likely never see this post
member
Activity: 65
Merit: 10
FaucetBox ready made script and it works a treat for bot traffic lol.

My idea was originally to use Fail2Ban and a custom filter to search logs on my server to limit POST requests within short time frames, it worked to a degree, within a few hours several hundred IPs were banned all similar IPs (thought that was a bit easy) Then incame more IP ranges each IP submitting less often. As it's a POST requests server doesn't log info maybe ModSecurity can be used to look in to the POST requests further  Wink

Something is definitely up

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bots-attacked-1448604

Mmm?
member
Activity: 73
Merit: 10
Audaces Fortuna Iuvat
Bots that use a real person to solve aren't so much the problem as it doesn't ruin income from the ads within the CAPTCHAS, it's the high fail rate is what kills income. It must be simple enough to limit how many CAPTCHAS can be obtained and failed before it triggers a IP ban or something. I'm no coder but something like. If CAPTCHA failed or requested more than 3 times add ip to bad list. Or when 3k audio CAPTCHAS get requested and a GB of data of every few hours lol.

Has anyone had any experience with Incapsula? It works ok but getting mod_remoteip to work properly is a pain. Otherwise some users share the same timer



Thank you for the idea I use solve media and I will implement this idea. If user fails three times in a short span one can fire the timeout cooldown.
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 534
FaucetBox ready made script and it works a treat for bot traffic lol.

My idea was originally to use Fail2Ban and a custom filter to search logs on my server to limit POST requests within short time frames, it worked to a degree, within a few hours several hundred IPs were banned all similar IPs (thought that was a bit easy) Then incame more IP ranges each IP submitting less often. As it's a POST requests server doesn't log info maybe ModSecurity can be used to look in to the POST requests further  Wink

Something is definitely up


Or you can modify your script to show all the claims (aka POST requests) that were made. Wink
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
FaucetBox ready made script and it works a treat for bot traffic lol.

My idea was originally to use Fail2Ban and a custom filter to search logs on my server to limit POST requests within short time frames, it worked to a degree, within a few hours several hundred IPs were banned all similar IPs (thought that was a bit easy) Then incame more IP ranges each IP submitting less often. As it's a POST requests server doesn't log info maybe ModSecurity can be used to look in to the POST requests further  Wink

Something is definitely up
hero member
Activity: 762
Merit: 500
I think I have found a way that works at least at the moment, I will share but want to test it for few days just to see how it turns out. I based this off my log files if anyone has similar results it should work for you too
I'm interested in this.what is your faucet script?
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
I think I have found a way that works at least at the moment, I will share but want to test it for few days just to see how it turns out. I based this off my log files if anyone has similar results it should work for you too
hero member
Activity: 762
Merit: 500
Bots that use a real person to solve aren't so much the problem as it doesn't ruin income from the ads within the CAPTCHAS, it's the high fail rate is what kills income. It must be simple enough to limit how many CAPTCHAS can be obtained and failed before it triggers a IP ban or something. I'm no coder but something like. If CAPTCHA failed or requested more than 3 times add ip to bad list. Or when 3k audio CAPTCHAS get requested and a GB of data of every few hours lol.

Has anyone had any experience with Incapsula? It works ok but getting mod_remoteip to work properly is a pain. Otherwise some users share the same timer



 In my opinion CloudFlare is much better than Incapsula.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
Bots that use a real person to solve aren't so much the problem as it doesn't ruin income from the ads within the CAPTCHAS, it's the high fail rate is what kills income. It must be simple enough to limit how many CAPTCHAS can be obtained and failed before it triggers a IP ban or something. I'm no coder but something like. If CAPTCHA failed or requested more than 3 times add ip to bad list. Or when 3k audio CAPTCHAS get requested and a GB of data of every few hours lol.

Has anyone had any experience with Incapsula? It works ok but getting mod_remoteip to work properly is a pain. Otherwise some users share the same timer

legendary
Activity: 1524
Merit: 1001
NOBT - WNOBT your saving bank◕◡◕

What I have personally noticed in last few weeks

I have been running a faucet for last few months, and have noticed many Strange things in the last few weeks from coins going down at a rate of 30 people claiming and only 3 showing on analytics.

Bots usually just brute force CAPTCHAS and if your monetising from your CAPTCHAS your CPM will drop to basically nothing because of the high fail rate. If you look at impressions on solvemedia and see a big red band on the chart much greater than the green solve its a sure sign of bot activity. Also ad revenue becomes worthless.

I think we need to come up with a way to stop multiple failed CAPTCHA attempts. I have noticed that in my case the higher the bot activity the longer the sessions show in analytics
Agree with you but this needs good dev to code script against bots. BTW bots devs update they code every day.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
What I have personally noticed in last few weeks

I have been running a faucet for last few months, and have noticed many Strange things in the last few weeks from coins going down at a rate of 30 people claiming and only 3 showing on analytics.

Bots usually just brute force CAPTCHAS and if your monetising from your CAPTCHAS your CPM will drop to basically nothing because of the high fail rate. If you look at impressions on solvemedia and see a big red band on the chart much greater than the green solve its a sure sign of bot activity. Also ad revenue becomes worthless.

I think we need to come up with a way to stop multiple failed CAPTCHA attempts. I have noticed that in my case the higher the bot activity the longer the sessions show in analytics


EDIT: I think I have found a way around this for now at least, only time will tell. If it continues working I will be sure to share if anyone is interested
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 101
I thought about creating a faucet, but the bot problem stopped me from doing so.
Does anybody know how exactly they bypass the captchas?
I mean, do they solve the task, or do they just submit a few lines of code, some kinde of general key?

need creating custom php code.
and this stop bots.
but i not coder
hero member
Activity: 959
Merit: 500
I thought about creating a faucet, but the bot problem stopped me from doing so.
Does anybody know how exactly they bypass the captchas?
I mean, do they solve the task, or do they just submit a few lines of code, some kinde of general key?
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 101
every day born new bots.. and can't catch this.
need create trap for faucet bots
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

Are you implying that there is good quality traffic to a Faucet?



Not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about from rotators? I find a good number of the faucets I claim on from rotators. I believe i am absolutely good quality traffic.

You just said that rotators bring "shitty traffic quality". 

First, lest define quality traffic for a faucet:

1.- Real User

2.- IP that has not clicked the ads of the faucet ad network. So they can click in the faucet, and bring money.

Shitty Traffic, for me is

1.- Bots, iMacros

2.- IP that has seen every network ad, and never clicks.

I do get why a Rotator bring shitty quality traffic.

Well, I said that rotators often bring shitty quality traffic. That's not always the case, as I learn about a lot of faucets I never would have learned about if it weren't for rotators. But generally speaking, to have a visitor visit your site for seconds at a time, and make just a quick hit and run off of your faucet.. Yeah, that's pretty bad traffic quality.

But I do feel that there are plenty of faucets that receive good traffic! faucetgame.com is one of the best in the industry, and I'm willing to stake my reputation on that. And the 10-min claim sites are great because they keep the traffic on-site for a lot of their users. Which means the site gets an AMAZING time-on-site stat from those users.

I do believe that faucets, if designed correctly, can easily get good traffic. But my argument was that the faucets that get good traffic aren't going to be the ones that would fit into rotators very well. Most rotator traffic is pretty shitty lol.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

Are you implying that there is good quality traffic to a Faucet?



Not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about from rotators? I find a good number of the faucets I claim on from rotators. I believe i am absolutely good quality traffic.

You just said that rotators bring "shitty traffic quality". 

First, lest define quality traffic for a faucet:

1.- Real User

2.- IP that has not clicked the ads of the faucet ad network. So they can click in the faucet, and bring money.

Shitty Traffic, for me is

1.- Bots, iMacros

2.- IP that has seen every network ad, and never clicks.

I do get why a Rotator bring shitty quality traffic.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

Are you implying that there is good quality traffic to a Faucet?



Not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about from rotators? I find a good number of the faucets I claim on from rotators. I believe i am absolutely good quality traffic.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

Are you implying that there is good quality traffic to a Faucet?

full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 101
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

OK.
I know that rotator add shitty traffic with bot.
I will use iframe code.
best resolve problem

No, bots don't use rotators much, but the traffic is shitty because people just visit your site to claim and continue on. But it's almost a necessity to get your name out there. Every popular faucet allows for rotators because they know that over 50% of their new faucet users come from rotators.

ok.
i think need use "click links not bot".
do you know how aplly it?
or do you have code?
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

OK.
I know that rotator add shitty traffic with bot.
I will use iframe code.
best resolve problem

No, bots don't use rotators much, but the traffic is shitty because people just visit your site to claim and continue on. But it's almost a necessity to get your name out there. Every popular faucet allows for rotators because they know that over 50% of their new faucet users come from rotators.
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