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Quote from: Hamphser on December 05, 2020, 06:59:23 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on December 05, 2020, 06:31:39 PM

There are hardly any people who don't care if they lost a lot of money or not while they can enjoy the game.
I sometimes play in ordinary casinos for fun, I have a certain amount of money that I can afford to lose. However I always regret losing, especially if it happens very quickly.

Normal!

We are just humans and we do really make those kind of reactions even someone do say that they do play for the sake of entertainment.
Our body would really be reacting and emotion will really be there because we are just humans and impossible for us to neglect or wont mind it much
because we dont like to lose money.So those kind of reactions isnt really that something new.Some people do just really expect that much
or being too confident that they can win anytime.

I don't like to lose money and I really play for fun. I see gambling as going to the movies, you don't expect to win anything with a ticket. You buy a ticket to enjoy the movie. So I'm enjoying the game. And when I win it brings double pleasure.
Trying to make money on gambling is a mistake. Only 1-2% of super lucky sons of bitches manage to do this. I'm not talking about professional poker players.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 08, 2020, 01:26:32 PM

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Quote from: ice098 on December 07, 2020, 06:01:58 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 07, 2020, 03:49:48 AM

Yep, gambling is not a place to get passive income. There will be a time for us to have to lose in gambling. But if you know that when you win, that will be the time for you to stop gambling, you will not face near success conditions because you lose in the next rounds. It needs more control to say to yourself that I am must stop after this, no matter what the result is. But greediness can always tell us to continue playing gambling.

Indeed, there is no assurance in gambling, but sometimes we mistakenly treat gambling as our investment which should we not do, because we cannot stop our losses once we do all in, we cannot make some scalping nor arbitraging, we may feel that oh maybe because we're close to winning that's why we lose, for me, it is only natural for us to lose it is part of the life, if we win that's good our strategy is improving if we lose it's a lesson for us.

That is what happens if we can not control ourselves in gambling. We never think about the losses because we will not stop if we are not satisfied with the winning. If a gambler says that, he really needs to realize that they can not win in gambling, even in the last rounds for them. We can hope that we can get lessons from our losses and consider that gambling is only for fun.

There are differences within each gamblers, some may accept the defeats and walk away knowing that they don't have anything to prove and accept the entertaining part of this industry, While others are not. There are heavy gamers who are after with money, they are not going to be satisfied and they will keep trying more harder to find ways in winning against the house.

You can use such lesson to and experienced to avoid doing the same mistakes
over and over again. Instead, you'll use it to find your advantage.

Dont always think about winning because this one will just trigger out the greediness inside you thats why you shouldnt tolerate that kind of motive because this will really just
create more mess if you do follow up on whats to your emotion and in to your mind.Dont let those aims and targets overcome you because if you dont able to meet up those
expectations then that would create frustration and rage and if you do know that you still have money into your pocket then you would most likely be continuing
until you do bust all of your money.When i do gamble its impossible to say that you arent hoping for some win and thinking about those amount that you can potentially
earn but its not just right to think that you are precisely 100% correct most of the time.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 08, 2020, 08:23:46 AM

Quote from: ice098 on December 07, 2020, 06:01:58 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 07, 2020, 03:49:48 AM

Yep, gambling is not a place to get passive income. There will be a time for us to have to lose in gambling. But if you know that when you win, that will be the time for you to stop gambling, you will not face near success conditions because you lose in the next rounds. It needs more control to say to yourself that I am must stop after this, no matter what the result is. But greediness can always tell us to continue playing gambling.

Indeed, there is no assurance in gambling, but sometimes we mistakenly treat gambling as our investment which should we not do, because we cannot stop our losses once we do all in, we cannot make some scalping nor arbitraging, we may feel that oh maybe because we're close to winning that's why we lose, for me, it is only natural for us to lose it is part of the life, if we win that's good our strategy is improving if we lose it's a lesson for us.

That is what happens if we can not control ourselves in gambling. We never think about the losses because we will not stop if we are not satisfied with the winning. If a gambler says that, he really needs to realize that they can not win in gambling, even in the last rounds for them. We can hope that we can get lessons from our losses and consider that gambling is only for fun.

There are differences within each gamblers, some may accept the defeats and walk away knowing that they don't have anything to prove and accept the entertaining part of this industry, While others are not. There are heavy gamers who are after with money, they are not going to be satisfied and they will keep trying more harder to find ways in winning against the house.

You can use such lesson to and experienced to avoid doing the same mistakes
over and over again. Instead, you'll use it to find your advantage.

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I agree to most of the opinion that were shared here, there is no trick behind it especially if the bets are coming from sports betting as the bookmakers have no control over the result so it is really a bad luck.

Not all the games will end up a losing one therefore if you end up losing your last bet then you are not that lucky in that day for sure. And I believe in bad luck as I cannot see any other reasons behind this kind of happenings.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on December 07, 2020, 11:55:15 AM

Quote from: Natsuu on December 07, 2020, 07:23:08 AM

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There's no syndrome related to this. As for what I have read, it is more of an "end-of-the-day betting effect" developed by McGlothlin (1956) and Ali(1977). This idea states that there is a change on the gambler's behavior regarding their risk-taking habits in which they tend to bet higher in their last bet in order to cope up with their losses. Which more often yield to bigger losses than the assumed outcome of regaining what's lost. But I'd view this as either greed or frustration. Greed will exist if a gambler has lots of winnings but still chose to bet all of its for a bigger profit, while frustrations are for those who lost huge amount. How to resolve this problem? Simply impose self-discipline which is not as easy as it may sound.

Yeah, the statement is real and effectively applicable for gamblers, but regarding the OP's statement, we can also view in his statement that in the accumulated bet, the last one tends to be frustrating if it is a loss due to the recognizability of the final bet, where the attention of the gambler is focused in this last bet. We can think of it as an emotional attachment to the final bet, just like in basketball, even if you score well in the midst of the game, the final 2 minutes will still standout the most of the game. Also if a player can buzzer beat, the emotion in that last shot will last for a long period of time.

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Quote from: zidanw on December 08, 2020, 07:45:08 AM

Happened to me before if I could remember it's about 4 games the first 3 games wins and the last game lose, It was really a sad day for me I've waited for 2 days for that accumulated bets to accomplished but ended up losing on the last game.

Perhaps, it wasn't really controlled by the house, but there could be a chance that there's an inside job where the game was being manipulated. With this, accumulated betting is quite risky if the reputation of the platform isn't that much built with integrity. But games will still continue, with this, it is better that we research some parlay strategy in order to increase our chance of winning. I have searched this video on youtube and it will be helpful for accumulated bettor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb6UwVGHKFc.

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Quote from: ice098 on December 07, 2020, 06:01:58 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 07, 2020, 03:49:48 AM

Yep, gambling is not a place to get passive income. There will be a time for us to have to lose in gambling. But if you know that when you win, that will be the time for you to stop gambling, you will not face near success conditions because you lose in the next rounds. It needs more control to say to yourself that I am must stop after this, no matter what the result is. But greediness can always tell us to continue playing gambling.

Indeed, there is no assurance in gambling, but sometimes we mistakenly treat gambling as our investment which should we not do, because we cannot stop our losses once we do all in, we cannot make some scalping nor arbitraging, we may feel that oh maybe because we're close to winning that's why we lose, for me, it is only natural for us to lose it is part of the life, if we win that's good our strategy is improving if we lose it's a lesson for us.

That is what happens if we can not control ourselves in gambling. We never think about the losses because we will not stop if we are not satisfied with the winning. If a gambler says that, he really needs to realize that they can not win in gambling, even in the last rounds for them. We can hope that we can get lessons from our losses and consider that gambling is only for fun.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 04, 2020, 02:56:24 AM

The near success syndrome

There is this near success syndrome that is associated with compilation or multiple bets. I'm damned sure most bettors who use the accumulated bet strategy must have experienced this a few or lots of times and it usually feels so disappointing and the day begins to feel like it's not one of your best days. The thing is,

"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

Happened to me before if I could remember it's about 4 games the first 3 games wins and the last game lose, It was really a sad day for me I've waited for 2 days for that accumulated bets to accomplished but ended up losing on the last game.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 05, 2020, 07:56:12 AM

Well, honestly, I don't think of preparing a cash out if I'm still playing.

it'slike counting Chicks when they are still inside Egg shells.

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I suggest one has to learn to be specific with their game plan, cash out when necessary and don't wait for another win before you cash out.

Well but What OP's concern is He thinks that there is something wrong with the game settings or the operators because each last game what he got is losing.

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The thing is, we want to be profitable, and it's not wise to not think of enjoying your profit because gambling without direction will only left you unprofitable in the end, go with your plan, don't be greedy, just master yourself in doing the right thing and you'll eventually be consistent in the long run.

Exactly and must have self control and preparation because the Problem un many gamblers they Tend to Dominate and Good in Attacking but has no plan in defensive side.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 07, 2020, 02:22:58 AM

Quote from: Wexnident on December 06, 2020, 02:24:41 AM

It's like that stupid (I call it stupid even though I used it lmao) strategies of examinees in a multiple-choice exam. If you had a question with no answer, and the past few answers were all C, the chances of it being C is less unlikely, according to your bs reasoning pulled up from who knows where.

For competitive exams though those who are doing that have no chance of clearing the lowest cutoffs. Cheesy

True, was just making my point about it. Students who have no path to go forth tend to rely on some stupid theory they themselves have experienced from every exam after all, and one of those is the gamblers fallacy.

Quote from: Gotumoot on December 08, 2020, 05:35:14 AM

When you say bets does it mean sports bet or events?
Because if it is a sports bets then we couldn't really predict the outcome of each match's so there wouldn't be a trick for it other than studying everything about it before betting.
Calculating their chance of winning against their opponent and knowing their pros/cons.
But if it is bets on dice or gambling I think it is bad luck and greed at the same time.

Pretty sure it applies to both types. There are times when a game between two teams end up in one team winning due to luck. A sample would be ace player got injured, not feeling well, etc, but those factors aren't really taken into account when you bet at the start.

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Quote from: yazher on December 04, 2020, 06:29:00 AM

I don't really know about this but considering the best, whether it is from the start or from your last bet it's just simply your luck. No matter how you are prepared about it, when things don't go well for the one who put your bet on, you cannot blame them because they are too have a bad day. You need to face it, you cannot just put a hundred percent assurance on betting, there are lots of possibilities.

If your plan didn't go out as what you've plan, then it's normal and it's not bad luck. Analyzing a match could only go for 80 percent accuracy that your analysation is correct, so you shouldn't expect to win a 100 percent. Luck only exist on those games that doesn't have any patterns like DICE for example, compare to sports betting that you could be so sure about your bet since you studied all the previous matches of your favorite team and the opponent team.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 04, 2020, 02:56:24 AM

The near success syndrome

There is this near success syndrome that is associated with compilation or multiple bets. I'm damned sure most bettors who use the accumulated bet strategy must have experienced this a few or lots of times and it usually feels so disappointing and the day begins to feel like it's not one of your best days. The thing is,

"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

When you say bets does it mean sports bet or events?
Because if it is a sports bets then we couldn't really predict the outcome of each match's so there wouldn't be a trick for it other than studying everything about it before betting.
Calculating their chance of winning against their opponent and knowing their pros/cons.
But if it is bets on dice or gambling I think it is bad luck and greed at the same time.

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Quote from: yazher on December 04, 2020, 06:29:00 AM

I don't really know about this but considering the best, whether it is from the start or from your last bet it's just simply your luck. No matter how you are prepared about it, when things don't go well for the one who put your bet on, you cannot blame them because they are too have a bad day. You need to face it, you cannot just put a hundred percent assurance on betting, there are lots of possibilities.

I honestly wouldn't just assume am not lucky without doing some investigations, If I come across something strange. Doing this could help me improve in my subsequent games or help me determine whether to continue betting on thesame platform. Better to understand alot of the factors that influence bet outcomes and bet accordingly

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Quote from: Genemind on December 07, 2020, 10:31:49 PM

It most likely because of bad luck, even as a bookmaker it is difficult to predict the outcome of the match. There is no trick on this, and I doubt such syndrome exist, people who usually play a lot of games think this is a gambling phenomenon, trick, sundrome, or whatever you call it, but gambling is gambling everything lays on luck purely.

Yes, I think the same as you. The bad luck can come without giving any sign to us, and when we lose more over than 6 times in a row, that can be bad luck for us. People who think like that will not consider that gambling games really need to have luck, and if they lose at the end of the games, they will say that it is a trick from gambling that makes the gambler lose everything. I think they need to realize that no matter how hard they try to get the most winning in a day, that will not be possible because the casino will be the winner in the end. But I believe that there are people who can be the last winner in the end because that person has big luck on that day so that he can win the money.

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It most likely because of bad luck, even as a bookmaker it is difficult to predict the outcome of the match. There is no trick on this, and I doubt such syndrome exist, people who usually play a lot of games think this is a gambling phenomenon, trick, sundrome, or whatever you call it, but gambling is gambling everything lays on luck purely.

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Quote from: PaulBf1 on December 07, 2020, 06:14:59 AM

does the syndrome really exist ? or you just came up with it upon your past experiences?

There is no such syndrome but mostly it occurs when we do play alot and tendency is we will play almost a huge and multiple bets when we about to end our game since we tend to be excited hoping that we will also win that one and when we get too excited in things we do, we losses our track and focus which maybe the reason we experiences such thing of almost winning then at the end losing since we were trying whether the luck is really there and still exist. It will be good if we will be able to stop when we already won but we always have this in my mind to still try for one last time that makes more and somehow ends lose.

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Quote from: South Park on December 07, 2020, 04:51:03 PM

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 04, 2020, 02:56:24 AM

It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

No trick behind it. We are playing gambling here.

It's just that not all the time, luck will always on our side even how professionally analyzed those matches.

Accept the fact that it's not easy to win in sports betting especially in parlays. If things that easy, we shouldn't see a majority of losers here.

Predicting the outcome of an event is hard enough and even professional gamblers that earn money out of the activity cannot predict most outcomes most of the time, so trying to parlay your bets is a mistake, just think of all the times people fell short of their parlay wanting to win big immediately and losing their money and think of all the money they could have won if they have made a bet on each one of those games individually, this is why it is not enough to be able to predict correctly the outcome of games you need a strategy to profit from it or you will still lose money.

Try to compare the odds of parlays and with single bets.Yes, they might really be on that small margin but there are people who do really like out to earn even more
even with those less chances or more riskier bets.When talking about predicting the outcome then its always been a challenged.No matter how professional
you are then you are still bound to losses which is inevitable.The advantage here compared to noobs or amateurs is that they do able to control up their
emotion in times that they had lost a bet.When it comes to money or bankroll management then they are much aware.They wont be called pro's
for no reason.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 04, 2020, 02:56:24 AM

It's always never funny when this happens. What's the trick about it, is it that, bookmarkers just knows and tends to push the game to the last in the series for an accumulated bet option or it's really bad luck, if there is such a thing as bad luck or other reasons. What really is the trick about this scenario.

No trick behind it. We are playing gambling here.

It's just that not all the time, luck will always on our side even how professionally analyzed those matches.

Accept the fact that it's not easy to win in sports betting especially in parlays. If things that easy, we shouldn't see a majority of losers here.

Predicting the outcome of an event is hard enough and even professional gamblers that earn money out of the activity cannot predict most outcomes most of the time, so trying to parlay your bets is a mistake, just think of all the times people fell short of their parlay wanting to win big immediately and losing their money and think of all the money they could have won if they have made a bet on each one of those games individually, this is why it is not enough to be able to predict correctly the outcome of games you need a strategy to profit from it or you will still lose money.

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I don't think there is any proof that this might happen , it might just be perceived by our brain in a weird way, what I do Believe is that most of the bets we are playing are fair therefore there is equal chances of us loosing and winning but if we do loose , we perceive this in a negative way. The more you are into the game the more your chances of winning reduces , for example :
If you are playing a game which have two options , just two so the probability of you winning is : 1/2 , but if you are playing a connected one and you started another round it will become 1/4, If you went till the third round it will be 1/8, now this will go on and on and therefore this will actually be like this for a x number of outcomes and thus I do believe that it's not a problem of the company perse , it's just that out chances of winning consecutively decreases with every step. Just try out permutations and combinations and look for yourself. This is a myth and a game that your mind plays with you.

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Quote from: Natsuu on December 07, 2020, 07:23:08 AM

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 04, 2020, 02:56:24 AM

"In an accumulated bet, why is it often the last games that goes rugged and you end up loosing what's supposed to be a best bet and was already preparing for a cash out or the next step"

I don't think this is the case. It's just that it's more noticeable when it's the last bet.
Similar to how whenever you join a queue at a supermarket, it feels like it is always the slowest moving queue and people in the nearby queues are getting to the checkout much quicker... but actually what is happening is that you only notice it when you're in the slower queue... when you're in the faster queue, you never even think about it.

This might be the explanation for the "syndrome" they are talking about. The fact that the last bet is noticeable in an accumulated bet, makes it more crucial, and thus inflicts a sense of loss in our minds. We don't really happen to count all of the wins and losses in an accumulated bet, but instead, we most probably notice the first and the last bets when you put it in a spreadsheet.

There's no syndrome related to this. As for what I have read, it is more of an "end-of-the-day betting effect" developed by McGlothlin (1956) and Ali(1977). This idea states that there is a change on the gambler's behavior regarding their risk-taking habits in which they tend to bet higher in their last bet in order to cope up with their losses. Which more often yield to bigger losses than the assumed outcome of regaining what's lost. But I'd view this as either greed or frustration. Greed will exist if a gambler has lots of winnings but still chose to bet all of its for a bigger profit, while frustrations are for those who lost huge amount. How to resolve this problem? Simply impose self-discipline which is not as easy as it may sound.

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