Topic: How United are the States? (Read 2545 times)

The United States used to be referred to as "these united states".

There are genuine fault lines in northern North America, both political and social; but by and large they lack any strong geographic component; you don't hear rhetoric about "historic homelands" for ethnic groups the way you do in Europe, for example; with the exception of parts of Quebec, everyone is pretty spread out everywhere. This does tend to be a large stabilizing factor.

You guys have got to be kidding with this party affiliation nonsense. There's not a lick of genuine difference between dems and reps. We change congressional majority, nothing changes, we change cabinets and executives and nothing changes. Shrub jr(r)(allegedly a conservative) runs up massive debts and invades numerous countries on false pretenses, signs the (un)patriot act. I thought these guys were fiscal conservatives?

Barry(d) a liberal then continues to run up more debt and continue the same unjustifiable wars. Civil rights...isn't that supposed to be a cornerstone of the jackass party? What happened to closing gitmo then? NDAA, patriot act, PPACA?

We've also seen a couple more liberals run as republicans. Did anyone ever actually think there'd be a president mccain or a president willard? WHY? HOW? Who do they represent? The population centers in this nation vote welfare liberal. The vast majority of the real estate is controlled by conservatives. Those people have no representation.

The whole thing is a sham, open your eyes. The reps used to be the party of limited accountable government. Remember when they used to talk about ending the department of brainwashing education? I saw ONE guy with an (r) after his name actually talking about genuine conservative values and Dr. Paul was attacked more viciously by the fake republicans than by the dems.

We've been sold out guys...both parties are the same and they represent collectivism, global warfare, crippling debt, seizure of civil liberties, and one world government. Stop with the "rah rah go team" crap. It doesn't matter which of the two fake parties are in power, we peasants will lose.

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^^^ Still no one added as much debt as Obama has done in the last 6 years. Check this (don't know whether this is 100% accurate or not):

The Republicans had control of the House, Senate and presidency for several years under Bush. Which year did they not run a deficit?

Reagan ran up huge debts, the Bush wars added a lot more debt. For a brief moment, using some unscrupulous accounting techniques there was a surplus under Clinton, that quickly went away.

The US is united under the fact that we have a $20 trillion debt that continues to grow with hundreds of billions of dollars paid toward just the interest on that debt. We will soon owe more in interest than we can even bring in from taxes. We will be united in our own economic destruction.

Very united when it comes right down to the crunch

Several astute posts upthread.

I wonder if any of you agree with my theory that many Americans have felt more united due to TV, McDonalds, Walmart, baseball, NFL, pulling them into a common culture, but lurking underneath are ethnic and regional differences that are set to explode into conflict once the Federal debt spigot is turned off over this decade.

In short, we've been held together with massive debt-based consumerism and Federal government largesse (i.e. 75% of GDP now), but our ethnic differences are deep seated and will rise back up once the former dies.

See also the separatist movements post I did in another thread.


The Hill country region of Texas is populated with Germans.

USA is a melting pot. Go live any where and you can fit in if you don't expect too much from others. I've even done the Hispanic areas such as Corpus Christi or Brownsville. I've done inner city slums in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. I've done Los Angeles, Seattle, etc.

But if you are looking for something closer to European socialism yeah head to California for a duplicate of the fucked up socialism. In conservative regions you wouldn't want to express your politics as your neighbors wouldn't likely agree with you.

I don't know the North East well. I might not fit in there. I hate snow any way.

A massive forge is being built in NYC they plan on being the next silicon valley.

where did you get this info? clinton left a surplus; obama sent out some stimulus because the economy was fractured. let's also not forget that republicans make a killing with the defense industry - it's kind of their thing.

US politics are even united. United under a single political party. That single political party pretends it's two parties that agree on every major issue and disagree on a few hot button social issues. This keeps Americans bickering with each other about trivial crap while their nation is stolen from them.

Case in point the posts above and below this one.

I disagree with that. The US public debt increased significantly only when the Democrats were in power. The GOP, whenever it could tried to reduce the fiscal deficit and the public debt.

All united behind the idea of bigger government and more debt.

United states are not United you can see that clearly, Dems repubs and other parties, how do you call that United?

The states are too united in my opinion.

The dictator Lincoln turned our country from a collection of distinct states to a single country with superficial differences between the states.

Any differences between the states are merely "allowed" by the Federal government if they have no real impact.

Yes, and yes.  Americans seem to be oblivious to the fact that Americans in different parts of the empire are very different from one another.  Yet the entire history of the US is ethnic strife between regions.  Take the Civil War for example.  The North says that it was about slavery, the South says that it was about states' rights.  Both views true but superficial.  The truth is that New Englanders and Southerners don't get along and both sides wanted to expand their way of life into the western territories.

Due to our two party system, the various ethnicities have to form coalitions.  So right now New England and the Pacific regions are with the Democrats, and the Interior West and the South are with the Democrats.  The Midwest is the swing region.  These coalitions hide many of the regional differences.  For example the Republicans of Georgia and Wyoming have very little in common.

Because Americans do not acknowledge the fact that American politics are driven by ethnicity people use proxies to distinguish friend from foe.

Modern US politics is dominated by really trivial issues, that we call "wedge issues".  The US is in a very secure situation.  The idea of a military invasion is inconceivable and so US foreign policy can be capricious rather than focused on strategic concerns.  So things of no importance to the US drive the foreign policy, such as the latest in Israeli settlement activity or gay rights in Russia.  These things cannot possibly affect Americans, and yet they receive a huge amount of attention.

Other issues are just as trivial.  The more passionate people are about an issue the more likely it is to be a wedge issue.  It is really just like people's loyalties to sports teams, entirely silly.

But remember that this is all under the surface.  Many people just look at themselves and their neighbors and say "we are Americans".  They have no real awareness that by defining themselves as "Americans" only they are therefore defining the term in such a way that it doesn't fit other Americans, which is what causes the petty struggles that dominate US politics.


 
Yes.  Many resent the fact that all of our money goes to DC, NYC, their surroundings (Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey) and a few other places favored by the elite.  Sometimes you will see an absurd map floating around claiming the opposite, these maps show DC, Maryland, and NYC being the ones supporting the rest of the country.  Ha.  DC's only export is government.  NYC's main export is banking (meaning that they are pulling money from the rest of the country).  Maryland is just where DC workers live.  For example we live in Maryland because my wife works in DC.  She works in DC because DC prints the money.  We would rather live somewhere else, but other places don't have the ability to print infinite money.  If bitcoin ever replaces the dollar we will see a total collapse of DC, NYC, and a few other places.

Some of these white-collar industries (such as Banking, Equity trading.etc) are heavily dominated by the pro-Democrat types. Demography is also an important part in the change, but can't ignore this factor also.

It is the mostly white-collar jobs which are moving to low-tax states. Most of the employees, working with these firms are pro-GOP. The recent phenomenon of Red states turning blue has more to do with demography than inter-regional migration.

This can be counter-productive.

Normally, Democrat ruled states have very high tax rates, while those ruled by the GOP have lower rates. When businesses move from high-tax states to low-tax states, they also take with them the mostly Democrat-oriented employees. As a result, the GOP becomes weak in these states. Look at the case of Nevada. It turned blue for the exact same reason.

There are better places for a European to start.

Try northern California.