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Quote from: Poker Player on August 30, 2022, 11:39:44 PM

I don't usually believe stories like this, but I have no reason to disbelieve it either. I just can't verify if what is said is true.

I also think the story is not real when a brother get to scam his brother knowing that the brother will find out. If it is a friend maybe we can believe such easily obvious stealing. Maybe this is fabricated story.

Quote from: Poker Player on August 30, 2022, 11:39:44 PM

I guess the swindling brother knew that the swindled brother was not going to break a bottle over his head when he realized the theft.

Of course a friend that opens a wallet for the friend won't do that when he knows all finger will point to him and surely it will cause a fight. The story didn't come out a good taste to my tongue.

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Some of the people new into the crypto wallets does not make sure they have an additional layer of security such as the fingerprint feature in the phones, additional 2fa supported by their wallet and once the person hav access in the device they can easily now get the funds without any verification needed to pass with, and next is the chance they got easy access to the seed phrase of the account.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 31, 2022, 04:57:51 AM

Quote from: Outhue on August 29, 2022, 06:40:25 AM

I did track the transaction and we have the Ethereum address that the fund was moved to, I told the suspected brother to show me his wallet address because I suspect him and he failed to, I have no proof to show the victim, for now he remains a suspect.

I think you should close your mouth and don't tell your brother who got scammed if the other brother was stole his money because you guys might a problem and it will make your relationship bad. So it's better to maintain a distance and don't really close with the brother who have a bad motive.

You should teach or at least give him guide about Bitcoin and wallet stuffs to learn, so this will make him understand if he must not asking other people to create a new wallet for him since each address have a private key which no one shouldn't know except the holder.

Not good to shut their mouth because it also mean that he's tolerating the other half who do bad deeds, maybe its good to talk about the issue so that it will be solve on correct argument. If they hide this the anger will just burst if the affected person knows who is the person who did bad to him.

Teach him how to safe keep important information is big thing to newbies so teach them again without taking anything will be much ideal action to do.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 29, 2022, 06:40:25 AM

I did track the transaction and we have the Ethereum address that the fund was moved to, I told the suspected brother to show me his wallet address because I suspect him and he failed to, I have no proof to show the victim, for now he remains a suspect.

I think you should close your mouth and don't tell your brother who got scammed if the other brother was stole his money because you guys might a problem and it will make your relationship bad. So it's better to maintain a distance and don't really close with the brother who have a bad motive.

You should teach or at least give him guide about Bitcoin and wallet stuffs to learn, so this will make him understand if he must not asking other people to create a new wallet for him since each address have a private key which no one shouldn't know except the holder.

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I don't usually believe stories like this, but I have no reason to disbelieve it either. I just can't verify if what is said is true.

Assuming it is true, the crypto issue doesn't strike me as much, if the scammed brother could have taught himself how to make a wallet. What strikes me is that a brother scams another brother out of $100. I guess the swindling brother knew that the swindled brother was not going to break a bottle over his head when he realized the theft.

That's a good way to lose a relationship with a sibling. For $100. And if I were the OP I would also stop talking to the scamming brother.

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oh too bad the wallet owner has to experience it, they might learn from the wrong person. Uhm probably you can trace the transaction first, and then ask the culprit what is their wallet address. I don't know if it seems stupid however probably it could work and who knows they have the same wallet. Are you close to the culprit? I mean you can have a convo with them about this, probably smoothly digging about them helping the wallet owner and so on and so forth, inform them about an issue that's been faced by the wallet owner, and asked whether they know about this or not and how it can happen. I think everything could end well if all parties can sit together and put in good words about the problems. We don't know, probably they have an urgent need if they are able to do that crime against their own friend. I hope everything gets clear soon.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

Just a quick google search and watching Youtube videos, you will already learn how to make a trust wallet. Why find another person to do it?

Now with regards to the transaction, you can easily say that the other person did it because only 2 people knows the seed phrase right? What if the wallet owner managed to share it to other people because of his carelessness and ignorance? What if there is a neighbor around you that also knows about trust wallet and stole the money? I mean it's very easy to blame people but to prove it is what's hard to do.

Anyway, it's either they will just forget about it, or they will just argue with it for a long time. 100$ is a huge money especially if you're in a 3rd world country but if it will cost the friendship of the 2 brothers then it isn't worth it. Just let them forget about it and let the owner make another trust wallet "now by himself" or maybe you can just give them the 100$. Cheesy

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

I will assume your brother who is the legitimate owner of the Eth should have learned his lessons by now that the no.1 rule of opening a wallet is that you should never trust anyone or any third party with your recovery seed/phrase/words, if he is actually literate and was watching when the other guy was helping him to create the wallet, he would have seen plenty of warnings display by Trust wallet on his screen that it should never share or shown to anyone, it should be written down and you have to validate by a checker that you have written down the recovery words before going forward.

You can't accuse the guy of being the one holding the Eth, it is a lesson learned for him in a sad way.

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Quote from: imamusma on August 28, 2022, 02:04:46 PM

I advise him not to rely on google search results, sometimes get redirected to phishing sites especially if it's a wallet issue. Get more information about wallets and security advice from the official site, you may be able to choose which wallet suits your needs.

Follow the steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Take the following safety steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/secure-your-wallet

If someone knows bitcointalk, then they should know bitcoin.org. As _BlackStar said, the site is one of the most popular to get a lot of knowledge and guides to get to know bitcoin and wallets. I strongly advise beginners to read a lot on the site if they don't want to read the whitepaper, at least they will get some basic knowledge from it. +2, You remind me again of that site and I'll bookmark it again now.

For that, the OP can suggest his little brother to learn to make a wallet instead of making one for him. We should pave the way for them to learn, not make them jump without basic knowledge.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

if you are in my shoe what will you do..

First of all, teach your little brother how to create a new wallet because his old address has apparently been compromised. Do not create it for him, but teach him how to do it himself.

Second, I do not think you can confront the suspect because you do not have enough evidence against him. If he claims he did not steal it, how are you going to prove otherwise?

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

This type of issue once happened to me when I have a problem with my gadget and I ask a friend to help open a wallet for receive which he did and sent me the deposit address. The coin was moved into the wallet and I ask him to provide the wallet private keys 4months later after the coin was listed on an exchange but he told me he didn't have the private keys and he has uninstalled the wallet.
I take the blame, bear the loss and see it has been an expensive mistake from my end.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too,

Then you have the criminal, am not going to beat about the bush or try to paint words with evidence nonsense, as long as the real owner of the wallet said he didn't share his seed or private keys with anyone else, then the friend or brother who created the wallet is the thief, he should be held responsible, he took advantage of his friend's naivety and lack of knowledge of how cryptocurrency transactions work, to scam him.

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I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

You are absolutely correct, there is no two ways about the matter, he should be held responsible.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

if you are in my shoe what will you do..

Since you have made a proper finding and discovered the person that moved the fund to an unknown wallet, as the elder person among the two brothers you can plead with the person who moved the fund to return it I believe he will listen to you but if he fails to listen to you, you can advise the wallet owner to abandon that said wallet and create another one but make sure you educate him properly on how he should keep his seed phrase secured and away from some one else including other members of his family unless he wants to have the same experience like what he is facing now in future.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

if you are in my shoe what will you do..

I would make sure I don't get involved. Family and money is a bad combination, and nothing good can come from this for you.

Or maybe teach them to use Bitcoin instead of centrally controlled Ethereum (which is mostly used to scam people by selling them worthless tokens).

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

You can look up the transaction history and find out where the coin was sent, but how do you find out who owns it?
Trust is always an issue here; do not trust anyone with your private keys, because this issue occurred as a result of full trust; he trusted the guy who created and bought the coin for him, so he never cared about how and where to keep the private key; and all of them may be ignorant or lack knowledge about the importance of the private key, so they may misplace it and someone will have access to the wallet.
Your job now is to make them aware of the importance of the Private key so that this does not happen again.

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That's one hell of a lesson for a beginner, I hope he lead from this mistake and never repeat such again, every new wallet will warn you about the recovery seed, how you should keep it to yourself only, trust wallet, atomic wallet, coinomi wallet and many others have this warnings, I hope the culprit pays for this evil act.. It's a shame that we are now in a world where brothers betray brothers.

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Issues that concern money, nobody is to be trusted no matter the relationship between you too. Disclosing your assets to someone close is no longer safe. This is the very reason I don't allow any of my friends to access my phone or laptop not to talk of telling them the amount I have in my portfolio. Anyone is a suspect when it's a matter of money.

The victim in question should let go and try as much to stay away from the suspect. Let him take it as a mistake and learn from it. He should learn how not to let anyone have access to his wallet again

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Quote from: imamusma on August 28, 2022, 02:04:46 PM

I advise him not to rely on google search results, sometimes get redirected to phishing sites especially if it's a wallet issue. Get more information about wallets and security advice from the official site, you may be able to choose which wallet suits your needs.

Install the add block extension, it will prevent you from seeing more ads while doing a search. But still you have to be careful with phishing sites because they can almost resemble the original site, pay attention to the url and do it carefully.

Quote from: imamusma on August 28, 2022, 02:04:46 PM

Follow the steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Take the following safety steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/secure-your-wallet

I can verify that this is a great way to get a wallet as needed and a cool tutorial for securing a wallet. But not many beginners know about this site, they tend to often do a google search with the keyword [best bitcoin wallet], so it's true that there is a risk about phishing, some newbies have complained about it happening all this time. Security is an important note in crypto, every user should know how to do it, no matter how many assets they owns.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

The solution is simple, ask the affected person to take heart and tell him the plain truth about having their keys with another party, just as they can't risk the password to their bank account with a third party then they must learn to do cryptocurrency all by themselves, am sure it's because the affected guy doesn't have knowledge about crypto cause the more reason the other guy took am advantage of him and if i were you, i will also went ahead in confrontation to the other person that cheated his brother so as to avoid future reoccurrence.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 29, 2022, 06:40:25 AM

I did track the transaction and we have the Ethereum address that the fund was moved to, I told the suspected brother to show me his wallet address because I suspect him and he failed to, I have no proof to show the victim, for now he remains a suspect.

By "failed" do you mean that he refused to show you his wallet? If yes then this is another reason to doubt him more. If he didn't steal the money then why wouldn't he cooperate and let you see his wallet's address!
Unfortunately, without a conclusive evidence linking the recipient address to the suspect, I don't see how you can solve this!
For the moment, the best you can do is to show the victim how to create a wallet and how to keep it safe.

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