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Quote from: Taskford on August 28, 2022, 05:42:03 AM

Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

If you can track the transaction history of the person who have access to the wallet of your brother then sue him or report it to the police so that that person can learn a lesson to not steal. But if you can't track it I think better move on because even if you know that guy has an access for sure he will deny that he stole the money. Keep distance with those guys because for sure he can't be trusted for any amount.

I did track the transaction and we have the Ethereum address that the fund was moved to, I told the suspected brother to show me his wallet address because I suspect him and he failed to, I have no proof to show the victim, for now he remains a suspect.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

You can ask the other guy for he is the main suspect in this transaction. We're not sure if it is a scam trick but interrogation seems going to help a lot. I hope he would tell the truth behind this allegation otherwise, it is a need for you to tell the authorities. Well, the question is if the authorities will help you with crypto having no proof of such a transaction.

This gives a lesson to your brother not to simply give trust anyone. He better keeps a distance from that person as probably he can't be trusted.

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Quote from: Taskford on August 28, 2022, 05:42:03 AM

Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

If you can track the transaction history of the person who have access to the wallet of your brother then sue him or report it to the police so that that person can learn a lesson to not steal. But if you can't track it I think better move on because even if you know that guy has an access for sure he will deny that he stole the money. Keep distance with those guys because for sure he can't be trusted for any amount.

That’s a clear act of hacking or scamming. Your brother might have trusted the wrong guy and will only end up stealing all his money in his own account. If you can still track the previous wallet transactions, then it’s good as you can get back the money being stolen, but I don’t think this is still possible as hackers leave without traceable transactions. Just be careful the next time your brother creates a wallet.

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I know if a newbie needs help, it's the most vulnerable time that he'll ask for help personally or even virtually without knowing that the private keys or recovery seeds might be compromised by the person who's trying to help.

I'd say that if you have no proof then you just have to move on. You can have that suspicion on him but you still don't have an outright proof. It's better to just let go of that money and do better this time learning from that experience.

Also, disconnect yourselves to that untrustworthy guy, never talk to him again until he admits that he did something wrong if he really did.

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What I advice to new be is learn and unlearn, yes I understand that hour first brother maybe new tk Crypto-currency and the first contact he made is the other person you talked about but he he understands what the learn an unlearn theory is all about he may have avoided this current situation. Yes we need people to kick start our Crypto-currency career but still we can find out what path is right or wrong along the line. Firstly Creation of wallet is such a private thing that doesn't deserve two people to know about it. this was the first mistake. He can use the first wallet created to learn how it is done and then the next would be the private wallet he/she owns on their own. Well there is really nothing you can do now as a person and except the thief returns it. It is probably gone.

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Quote from: DevFile90 on August 28, 2022, 01:13:20 PM

google have all the answers.

I advise him not to rely on google search results, sometimes get redirected to phishing sites especially if it's a wallet issue. Get more information about wallets and security advice from the official site, you may be able to choose which wallet suits your needs.

Follow the steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Take the following safety steps: https://bitcoin.org/en/secure-your-wallet

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Hm, do nothing about this, avoid making one of these brothers your enemy, just advice the victim to create another wallet and never shared the seed with anyone even if they are close relatives, also advice him to learn more about crypto first, google have all the answers.

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With information provided here I don't think there is anything you can do again if you are in country that doesn't support cryptocurrency. Sorry your brother had to learn about cryoto security the hard. Just try motivating not him not to get discourage from cryptocurrency. All he has to do is to create another wallet this time by himself after he must have read about it.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

If I were on your shoe to that case, I will definitely tell the wallet owner that the guy (your mutual friend/junior brother) might have the answer on the mystery of how were the fund have been transferred from another wallet without the owner doing anything. Tell him to discuss it with the other guy who created his wallet. And also tell the owner that he's dumb enough to let ask other people to create his personal wallet. It should be a lesson learned for him not to give the seed phrase to other people unless he trust them very much.

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I think we should start to fix the problem where it started so that it won't happen again in the future and I think the problem started when you trusted your brother when they don't know what they were doing. Even if you tell you did teach them but when they don't finish the tutorial it's still useless and would end up just like what happened to them now.

I think they're trying to join a telegram group for investment or trading and got tricked by someone who tells them to invest and send their ETH to that unknown address. This is the problem when newbie hold crypto currency, it won't last longer unless if they don't know how to open their wallet. Undecided

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Quote from: Yawa2020 on August 28, 2022, 07:20:24 AM

Even after tracking and there's no way its linked to him you can actually not sue him unless he's guilty and besides most countries are yet to legalize crypto which simply means by reporting him to police or any legal authority, you're getting yourself into trouble which will definitely cost you more than $100.

Most countries do not legalize crypto as a legal tender, but it is legal to move it from one wallet to another. It was a theft case ^{[if the OP finds vallid evidence],} but for the $100 sum then I don't think the authorities would bother tracking it down.

There are lots of threads explaining how to secure a wallet, but since the OP didn't mention that the person is on the forum then google can help. It's no wonder why someone can lose their crypto asset especially if they don't know how to keep it safe. Basically he is the main person in charge of the security of his own money and that is the consequence if he wants to be in the crypto world.

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So, one brother stole $100 worth of ether from his own brother. How well do you know the guys and does the alleged thief seem shady to you? Does it sound like something he would do? You never mentioned if the ETH that was sent to the wallet is yours or not. Is it?

Chasing those $100 isn't worth the trouble. Law enforcement isn't going to do anything about such a small amount either. If you were to follow the trail of the money and realize that the coins were deposited into a centralized exchange, chances are that whoever created the account on that site has undergone KYC. But no exchange will disclose such information to random people, and you will be asked to involve the police and/or present proof or a court order.

The best you can do if you are friends with the victim is to teach him how to create his own wallet, generate and backup a recovery phrase, and keep the information safe from other people, including his brother.

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I would just tell the guy about cybersecurity, how to behave on the Internet, why you need to trust only yourself, and so on.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

Then your friend is a bastard. He didnt consider your other friends when it comes to money. Most people are really changing when it comes to money. Possibly he teaches him to create a wallet then that guy doesnt know that the thief got his recovery phrase by split second. Thats now how you treat your friends. For a $100 your other friend fret just like that. How much more if the money is big. So its scary really to trust someone even though you knew him well.

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This is not really a difficult matter to solve. The real $100 owner couldn't possibly steal his own money.
If the owner does not feel that he has ever shared the privkey during those 2 days, then it is clear that the "helper" here is the one who moved. Let's just assume, that his brother understands better that privkeys should be kept secret even though he forgot to mention that while helping to create the wallet.

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Quote from: Taskford on August 28, 2022, 05:42:03 AM

If you can track the transaction history of the person who have access to the wallet of your brother then sue him or report it to the police so that that person can learn a lesson to not steal. But if you can't track it I think better move on because even if you know that guy has an access for sure he will deny that he stole the money. Keep distance with those guys because for sure he can't be trusted for any amount.

Even after tracking and there's no way its linked to him you can actually not sue him unless he's guilty and besides most countries are yet to legalize crypto which simply means by reporting him to police or any legal authority, you're getting yourself into trouble which will definitely cost you more than $100.
I feel sorry for the victim thou but I don't think there's anything he can do now than to let go.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

Whoever delas with cryptocurrencies or any kind of new technology should Google about it before doing stuff.

It is very easy to find information about your seed, how to secure your wallet, etc.

Luckily he oy lost 100 usd. Lesson learned for a small cost. He probably googled a lotabout it by now.

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Normally I'd go report to the authorities, but knowing that we're talking about crypto and it's highly likely that the authorities don't even know what a non-custodial wallet is, I'd say tell the victim to suck up the huge mistake and next time do a lot more research before making financial decisions.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

if you are in my shoe what will you do..

First you get proof first that the brother you suspect was actually the one who moved the crypto, so you don't falsely accuse him and ruin your relationship with him. Once you are sure that he is the one, I also think it is wise to confront him with the facts and express your dissapointment while still trying to push him to return it if he still has it. You don't need to let your other brother who has been affected know who has robbed him so it doesn't ruin their relationship as well, but give a serious advice to him to be more careful and try to trust people less regardless of status with things regarding finance.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2022, 04:51:36 AM

I don't know how to handle this case, I have two junior brothers in my small town who lives opposite to my house, one help the other to create a trust wallet and 100$ worth of Ethereum was deposited into the wallet, two days later the fund was moved out to am unknown address, after asking few questions from the wallet owner I found out that the other guy has access to the wallet too, I believe he did the dirty trick because he never warned the wallet owner to never share his recovery seed with anyone..if you are in my shoe what will you do..

You are in the dilemma here, but if I'm in your case, then it is better to take to the one that you suspected and confront him if ever he is the one who move the money or not. And just think that the money is gone now for sure because I doubt that who ever moved it out has the intention to bring it back.

So this is another expensive lessons, and to be honest, I can't imagine the 'brother' trying to scam the other one. So it's better to start all over again I guess. Perhaps he can start small, not necessarily $100, but maybe just $10 or at least what he can afford to invest but this time, he is now equipped with the knowledge that private keys and mnemonic phrase are very important and should not be disclosed even to his 'brother'.

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