Topic: How would the forum feel/react if Casinos were banned like Mixers? (Read 459 times)

It's safe to say, lots of forum members actually wouldn't deny this claim. That's not actually that they'll leave the forum for a long time, once a while the members still visits. Getting casinos banned will only make members to post lesser times a week. It's like a contract, you have to meet up to your own side of the agreement. So, the action of members probably works alongside the requirements needed in a campaign. If this happens, the gambling section will be deserted. Lots of members, like myself, I was not as active in the gambling section as I am when wearing a casino signature. It will only make a part of the forum, the gambling section, look abandoned. More signature campaigns will take members and the forum activities will return to normal, except for the gambling section. As no existing catalyst pushes members to visit there, anymore.

Something that is being overlooked in these discussions is that the forum is privately financed and not-for-profit. It does not rely on # of views or other metrics to produce revenue from ads or sponsors and that makes paid campaigns a moot point. Given that fact, Theymos will probably keep it running until he dies. I know I would.

Personally it would not break my heart if the forum went back to its original mainly technical content and loses all of the twitter-like general thought-of-the-moment crap like say the Politics & Society section... Sure the overall general viewer counts would go down but it is a safe bet that those seeking crypto knowledge would continue to find this forum and their count would not only be stable but in-fact increase.

Change is hard my friend. Sorry to come off so "locked in" as to my opinion on the matter.

It could definitely happen, and I'm back on bct after being afk for a bit to come back and see that the poll I started is very mixed.

I am happy that the poll is reflecting what it does, as I knew this is exactly the kind of outcome it would have.  

I hope it fuels further discussion from wiser members of the forum than myself.  

I'm tired of treating suicidal people who want to kill themselves because they lost money gambling. It's more common than you guys think!  

I'm sure you guys know where my vote stands, but I am heavily biased since I am a mental health professional. We literally ban certain patients from having playing cards because they will start tearing up their toilet paper and make tiny balls out of it. They then use the balls as "chips" in poker games with the other patients.  

I normally don't have an issue with poker playing or card games in general with my patients, but when I know they have a history of gambling and the gambling is a risk factor to their mental health/disease, I won't enable that behavior.  

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OP, why you're so confident that it won't happen in a million years. I kinda feel that such thing can happen one day and it would have much bigger influence than ban of mixers. I don't know how I would react to such decision. It's not even about signature campaigns. But it would be end of all promotions from gambling websites like prediction pools, BSFL, contests and etc.

Same can be said about mixers - for many years everything was ok with them and one day things has changed. Same thing can happen with mixers one day if governments stance will change.

I think the government will try to restrain our freedoms more and more until we all live with absolutely no freedom, security and privacy. Always being watched... and judged.

It is a nightmarish world scenario, which is being prevented thanks to decentralized technologies like Bitcoin. But I am still anti-government(s). 

In the world on the forum, everything is possible. What seems impossible today can happen tomorrow. No one expected that mixers would be banned here, right.

Let's try to simulate the consequences of a casino ban.
Considering the fact that most of the signature campaigns (16 out of 18) are casino advertising, the consequences of the ban will certainly affect the activity of users (the most active) of the forum. This will not necessarily be the collapse of the forum and communication here will not stop completely, but most likely many posters from signature campaigns will reduce their level of activity, and some will stop visiting the forum altogether. Consequently, there will be fewer posts that could interest new readers, fewer visitors, and therefore fewer advertising budgets. This will lead to the fading of the forum.
 
Let's hope it doesn't come to that, and if the casino is banned, then alternative signature campaigns and ways to maintain activity on the forum will appear. In any case, as long as cryptocurrencies exist, the bitcointalk will live (even with a small level of activity). Amen.

If I were to answer that question, I'd say that you're going to see a lot of users get out of the forum because you know how it is when it comes to how many gambling websites are hosting signature campaigns here, it will heavily impact the activity of the forum but then again if that ever happens, a lot of shiposters and people that are just in here for the money for their posts are going to go away, we'll probably see a more quality controlled forum in terms of post quality. It's close to impossible that it would happen though because a lot of people are seeing gambling as a way to increase their current crypto stashes and it's probably more gratifying to win in gambling in crypto than that in fiat one.

This will suck, and there will be less traffic because there is no reward for being active. Maybe forum members will move over to the other forum altcointalk, since it is not all casinos that will want to end their signature campaign just like that. We saw what happened to mixer and that made more members from this forum to become a member in the other forum, since some of the mixers companies moved over there to continue with their marketing. Same will be for casinos.

I don't know how others will feel. But most of the forum economy is now on gambling money at this moment. I don't wear a gambling signature anymore. But, if the forum bans casinos, all the signature campaigns will be banned too. A lot of people will leave the forum silently and a lot of people will be less active. If I speak for myself, I usually wouldn't come today if I did not have to write for my signature quota. I have some important work in real life today, yet I am here because I have to post something else I will get kicked out of the campaign. So, No matter if someone tells you that they do not write for their signature payment, actually do. So gambling bans equal to less members and activity!

Do you believe that Bitcointalk will survive million years? If you think it will survive million years then you might have to get some treatment.

When it comes to casinos then it's possible that one day they may also get banned on this forum if new rules and regulations take place and government and other centralized organizations fully oppose the online casinos and start strict actions against those.

But, if I'm not wrong then at current times we should not worry about that because the casinos haven't done anything that would make those organizations to take any actions against them. That's why we should not even think about something like that.

 Obviously the forum will lose its appeal because truth be told, the major reason this place is getting it's traffic is for the sig campaigns and the bounties and if these casinos get banned, what the heck? You might as well say "only admins can access this place". It's rare for peeps who aren't in campaigns to be as active as one who is and then you ban the casinos? .
Some will say change is constant and we'd get accustomed to life without casinos( that's if it happens), well I doubt people will recover. Of anything, they will think Theymos is no longer interested in monetisation and probably wants to use it for something else.
 Well I know this is just a "maybe" question to get the opinions/ thoughts of other users but I really don't understand why this should even be thought of by the Op...take such musings off of your head..

It started as a hypothetical question and it should die as such, because if casinos are banned from this forum, then you should forget the monetisation aspect of this forum which drives more traffic as far as I am concerned. We do not need a seer to know that casinos are now driving that aspect on the forum.

Needless to say, the ban of m!xers can't be without a serious reason, and this forum is one of the kind that is so liberal and gives people a high degree of respect for one's opinion and also looks away when some users questions the admin in some sort of a crude way and still gets away with it. The fact that such a tolerant and accommodating forum banned m!xers should speak volumes to the wise, as the issue was bitting and I understand theymos plight, he never wanted the forum to be dragged with such infamous illegality that is rampant with them.

This is understandable. But why on earth would casinos be banned? That is just unspeakable as they are doing their legal business, and even if a certain casino is alleged or caught with illegality (like Binance), that can't speak for all of them like m!xers as the modality of their business is not like that of m!xer which often makes people conceive this kind of mind/thought.

So you clearly don't know how can you launder money in gambling, although I am not an expert too, but from what I understand is gambling platforms can also provide you anonymity, for example, if they don't require your identification, you are free to open an account, deposit money, gamble it, you even lose some in the process or make more money. The thing is, with your dirty money, you buy chips or tickets, and they use those tickets to gamble and to make money.

So whatever money you come up with at the end is the one said to be clean one, so if you will withdraw it, your money is not more dirty. Now the thing is how casinos can stop this, I mean if they don't want to stop it, then that's another thing, just like for many obfuscating platforms, the team doesn't want their platforms to be used for money laundering. But if they want to stop it then how would they do it, every casino has its own system.

I mean they make it their base for advertisement, there aree legal and illegal casinos, I am not against the ones being advertised here, but trying to say, Money laundering is possible via casino read this More than 11 million euros seized and man arrested in investigation into gambling platform scam I do agree with you that if gambling platforms will be banned then the traffic here will decrease and on ALTT it will increase.

This forum will lose traffic and active users. Look at other forums, is there any other Bitcoin or altcoins forum as popular as Bitcointalk? No, there isn't. Will Bitcoin enthusiasts come to this forum, create threads, make posts and answer questions? Sure, there are people who will do that but in terms of activity, this forum will become very inactive compared to its current state. There is a reason theymos lets signature campaigns on this forum and also there is a reason why Roger Ver wanted signature campaigns on his forum too.

Yeah, they were running a signature campaign for 226 weeks, they did the advertising plan perfectly, they increased their brand awareness, and they got all the possible traffic from Bitcointalk during those weeks.

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I don't know about ending the forum, but he might want to consider who he'd hand over the reins to should he want to end his involvement with it or if something should happen to him.  My guess is that he's pretty well-off and has been for quite some time--and yet he still seems passionate about (or at least very involved with) bitcointalk--so I don't think he's in this for the money primarily.

Anyway, I can see why mixers were banned even if I don't like it.  Crypto casinos have yet to be called vehicles for terrorists, money launderers, or what have you by the government....but that doesn't mean it's always going to be that way.  Should they get banned like mixers, that would just suck because it'd be another knock against freedom courtesy of whatever government agency put pressure on Theymos (or his successor) to enact that change.  Whether you're a gambler or are against gambling for whatever reason, people ought to be free to make choices for themselves.  You know, just like out in the real world where there are tons of massive casinos that governments make a lot of tax revenue from.

Look at all the signature campaigns active on the forum. 90% are casinos once the mixers were banned. You take away the casinos from this forum and you kill the forum. There might be 100 users that stay active who deal with technical issues or have been here since the beginning, but overall traffic drops to nearly 0 and this forum becomes mostly irrelevant.

If I was asked to vote on which I think was most likely to happen between casinos ending the advertisement and promotion in Bitcointalk for personal reasons, and then Theymos banning Casinos, I would go with casinos just ending their promotion here just like bestchange did because with the AML rule guiding casinos, It will be difficult for them to have issues regarding money laundering that will make the government go after them.

Maybe Bestchange ended their campaign here because of financial reason like to cut cost, Casino's can choose to do that as well, also if they don't see the campaign as productive to their marketing.

To add to what you what you are saying,  if it ever happens that the casinos are banned from the forum, those that are mostly interested in gambling discussion, will leave the forum, even if they don't leave outrightly, they will start losing interest in the forum and won't be very active here again. Just imagine the level of traffic that the gambling section of this forum generates, with casino off it will result in the loss of such traffic. I don't even wish for such day to come. Anything that will make government to go after casinos should not ever happen, because if it does it result to many things in the lager society. Many people will run mad if they are unable gamble a day or weeks.

It would look like this:

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But BestChange was not forced out of the forum, they decided to end their signature campaign for advertising reasons and they still have an ANN thread here. People tend to forget that this kind of thing happens frequently with all sorts of services when they run a signature campaign, whether it is not working out for them or whether it is successful.