How would the forum feel/react if Casinos were banned like Mixers? - page 2.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

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Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

But if you do not think there is any chance for this to happen, and you bring no scenario or reason which could motivate theymos to do this, then there is not much we can discuss about it.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on May 22, 2024, 05:01:24 PM

I don't intend to pry, but you registered on May 7th, and yet you're discussing something that occurred almost 6 months ago when you weren't even registered and haven't experienced yourself. I'm not implying that this is an alt account, but I wouldn't be surprised because it does look a little suspicious.

Anyway, to answer your question, it's unlikely that a casino ban would ever take place, unless there's a ban on cryptocurrency casinos by the U.S. government (where this forum is registered, if I remember correctly), which would result in Theymos possibly getting in trouble for endorsing such services. However, this scenario currently sounds way too far-fetched.

It's way too far-fetched indeed and I know that there's a solid distinction between casinos and mixers if we are to even consider what would be the reason for such a ban in the first place.
Casinos offer gambling services and helps relax freyed nerves or act as a source of entertainment for the customers. Also I think casinos have regulations they abide by of which the government checks and tax regularly.

Mixrs on the other hand has been the sole tool for money laundering schemes as reported by the Feds, mostly as it regards cryptocurrencies and the decentralized space that the government neither has proper regulations over nor controls fully.

Banning casinos here will surely reduce engagement in the gambling section. We will also experience reduced advertising and signature campaigns and of course it will make this community/forum become more focused on all things cryptocurrency and altcoins.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Nah, I don't think it will happen in a million years, but casinos are not a tool for privacy so governments will not go after it. Therefore I can say they might leave this sector alone unless some bad activities start to happen, like many people are able to launder money from casinos, and from these digital casinos as well. If this bad activity will increase over time then governments or relevant authorities will definitely take proper actions.

And if those actions taken more seriously then the admin might also consider to ban there advertisement as well, so if that happens, what next. I think members here don't have a choice on this decision, as member were not able to convince when obfuscating platform were banned, and they might not be able to do anything when these casinos will be banned as well. I hope new type of narrative will be introduced till then, like AI platforms.

Well the one and only reasons why mixers were banned was because of their ability to be used as Money laundering website and I don't see that happening with casinos anyway time although in my local casino I play with, there is one rule that regulates all deposit to all casino to be played or gamble with before ever initiating withdrawal and this act covers any form of the casino to be used as a money laundering means, although am not too certain about this rule with crypto casino.
But one thing is certain though which is that when eventually anything causes theymos to actually end the advertising of casino in the forum activities will drastically reduce and that's a fact because it also happened when mixers were banned.

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I don't intend to pry, but you registered on May 7th, and yet you're discussing something that occurred almost 6 months ago when you weren't even registered and haven't experienced yourself. I'm not implying that this is an alt account, but I wouldn't be surprised because it does look a little suspicious.

Anyway, to answer your question, it's unlikely that a casino ban would ever take place, unless there's a ban on cryptocurrency casinos by the U.S. government (where this forum is registered, if I remember correctly), which would result in Theymos possibly getting in trouble for endorsing such services. However, this scenario currently sounds way too far-fetched.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2024, 07:11:45 PM

it is pretty much a decent business because a lot of btc was hodl.

So when and how does theymos exit?

Maybe that should be a discussed topic for the future.

Theymos is beginning to tire. Do y'all think he's not been thinking of what the next 5 years would look like? Cus what in the world is stopping him from the completion of the new ecosystem? Resources? That can't be!
On the other hand, critics aren't kept grounded for whatever proposal they'd make against Bitcoin as long as the forum stays...why? Bitcointalk alone has made an impact that is believed to enlightened atleast 1/3 of bitcoiners (excluding cyber theft aged or retired persons)

Quote from: stompix on May 22, 2024, 06:31:44 AM

There will be plenty of reactions
- a lot of members will suddenly go MIA

Can we accertain that most high ranking members today would stay? ^{it's not about using some "pronouns"}

I feel like we would have nothing left to discuss and, if it ever happens, I'll just focus on the WO thread for periodic updates and postings... The rest of the boards would have lesser activities.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Unless casinos decide to stop their promotion on this forum, I don't think they can get banned because they don't exhibit the characteristics of what the forum rules kick against. There's a saying that nothing is actually impossible, so if by chance casino is banned on the forum, there will definitely be a decline in the number of activities in the gambling section of the forum because there are also many members who are lovers of gambling on the forum and they love gambling discussions a lot.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Nah, I don't think it will happen in a million years, but casinos are not a tool for privacy so governments will not go after it. Therefore I can say they might leave this sector alone unless some bad activities start to happen, like many people are able to launder money from casinos, and from these digital casinos as well. If this bad activity will increase over time then governments or relevant authorities will definitely take proper actions.

And if those actions taken more seriously then the admin might also consider to ban there advertisement as well, so if that happens, what next. I think members here don't have a choice on this decision, as member were not able to convince when obfuscating platform were banned, and they might not be able to do anything when these casinos will be banned as well. I hope new type of narrative will be introduced till then, like AI platforms.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

This forum is for Bitcoin discussion initially then its purposes and discussions expand to altcoins, other services include casinos. The forum will lose traffics but will not die if casinos will be banned and no longer appear here in Announcement threads or signature campaigns.

The forum is not only about casinos and signature campaigns.

History of signature campaigns

CTRL + F on the evolution of signature ad campaigns (beginning days to the present)

"Casino"

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Quote from: Hazink on May 21, 2024, 05:20:11 PM

How will the forum feel? I probably don't know. Does the forum have feelings?

How will members react to that? I can only answer for myself.

What will be the positive outcome?
It will result in the forum being more boring than a lot of members have already pictured it to be due to a lack of high-paying campaigns. Some members are no longer as active and productive as they used to be.

The admin would have banned it long ago if the casinos were illegal and there had been a government restriction on places where they could advertise the platform.

The forum is the community, so with a huge number of participants in the casino campaign, there will be a drastic drop in activity. For me, I will continue to post out of habit. I have been doing this for ten years, and it is something you can get out of your system easily. I can only speak for myself; I don't know about the others.

There will be activity about Bitcoin because this is one of the best places to get news about Bitcoin

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

This forum is for Bitcoin discussion initially then its purposes and discussions expand to altcoins, other services include casinos. The forum will lose traffics but will not die if casinos will be banned and no longer appear here in Announcement threads or signature campaigns.

The forum is not only about casinos and signature campaigns.

History of signature campaigns

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Obviously, the post quantity will be lesser that result to less traffic to the forum since online casino are the dominant industry here that contributes with signature campaigns market. Without them maybe some of this company will go to competitor forum since there’s already some forum that being use as an alternative for the banned campaigns.

But this scenario is really possible if ever money laundering becomes rampant on casino industry. This is just less chance to happened since casino has a strict KYC policy implementation to counter this possible laundering as much as possible.

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"How has this discussion gotten to the point of ending the forum. Who said the forum would be ended?"

Casinos = the forum right now

The forum = mass adoption

Casinos cannot make 97% everyone. All people who use bitcoin should also use the official place designated by the community to publicly discuss bitcoin. Ideally, it should still be bitcointalk.org. Forever. Out of respect for satoshi, for real.

Should I move this discussion to the gambling board so more people see it, or is that a bad idea lol? Grin

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Nothing is totally impossible to happen. If it can be conceived, it can happen. With the recent exit of Bestchange, it can be seen that more than 97% of campaigns here are casinos. So, if casino campaigns are banned, that's actually the end of signature campaign in the forum.

Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 22, 2024, 02:58:07 AM

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.

Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would.

How has this discussion gotten to the point of ending the forum. Who said the forum would be ended?

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

At the moment, casinos are the only ones that have a long-term ongoing signature campaigns. If forum bans casinos, then there will be only one or two signature campaigns with limited number of participants and the competition will be one of the highest, ever. The payrate will probably be lower too.

I expect people to quickly turn into a drama queen. They'll start drama, start talking about how the freedom of speech is getting worse and more likely competitor forums will use this advantage to try and bring Bitcointalk traffic on their website, just like altcoinstalks did recently. Many people will leave this forum and the forum might die, it won't be as active as it is today.

By the way, there is a symbiotic relationship between this forum and the signature campaign. The forum increases their brand awareness and makes them popular and signature campaigns keep this forum active.

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Quote from: stompix on May 22, 2024, 06:31:44 AM

There will be plenty of reactions
- a lot of members will suddenly go MIA
- a lot of users will suddenly realize that they are no longer fans of those football teams they've been posting news about for their quota for years and stop talking about it completely
- the gambling board will only be made up of people who actually gamble, which would be a real change
- probably it will cut both spam and usage on the same ratio
But more importantly, we will all start betting on the date theymos will implement kyc cause that would be the next obvious step

Quote from: LoyceV on May 22, 2024, 06:14:27 AM

I'm not much into gambling, so I don't mind. It would actually stop a lot of spam from being posted.

I've always liked EV+ contests, but that's mostly a thing from the past. When it's EV-, doing the math behind it is enough to lose my interest. I'm not going to tell myself: "I can win", while I realize: "I'm more likely to lose". So I don't do it.

I don't expect casinos to be banned though. They've changed their business to be more compliant. When I joined Bitcointalk, casinos were "no KYC, anyone can join". Now, those casinos ban users from many countries to comply with local law.

Alright. The big boys are here. I'm starting a poll.

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2024, 07:11:45 PM

Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

One day it could happen.

Maybe theymos is not young.

If I were in my fifties and was theymos know the forum funds are over 1,000,000 I may consider ending the forum .

I have no idea who theymos is or where he lives but I do know the forum has a decent amount of coin

it is pretty much a decent business because a lot of btc was hodl.

So when and how does theymos exit?

Maybe that should be a discussed topic for the future.

When and how did satoshi exit? Cry

See what I mean?

This world we live in is very pattern based.

"I have no idea who theymos is or where he lives"

Exactly. And he deserves all the freedom in world just like satoshi has/had. But like you said, conversation for another day for sure lol.

Also happy pizza day, everyone ^_^.

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There will be plenty of reactions
- a lot of members will suddenly go MIA
- a lot of users will suddenly realize that they are no longer fans of those football teams they've been posting news about for their quota for years and stop talking about it completely
- the gambling board will only be made up of people who actually gamble, which would be a real change
- probably it will cut both spam and usage on the same ratio
But more importantly, we will all start betting on the date theymos will implement kyc cause that would be the next obvious step

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I'm not much into gambling, so I don't mind. It would actually stop a lot of spam from being posted.

I've always liked EV+ contests, but that's mostly a thing from the past. When it's EV-, doing the math behind it is enough to lose my interest. I'm not going to tell myself: "I can win", while I realize: "I'm more likely to lose". So I don't do it.

I don't expect casinos to be banned though. They've changed their business to be more compliant. When I joined Bitcointalk, casinos were "no KYC, anyone can join". Now, those casinos ban users from many countries to comply with local law.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 21, 2024, 04:27:35 PM

Title.
Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.
Right?

If you're asking hypothetically, then this topic would be more appropriate for another board, maybe off-topic?

Even if casinos are banned from the forum for some reason, that would mean that only those who are not here now because they are motivated solely by profit would remain on the forum. Undoubtedly, the number of active members would decrease, but that would by no means mean that the forum would cease to exist.

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Quote from: Filippo Spina on May 22, 2024, 02:58:07 AM

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.

Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would.

Yeah, but admit it or not, there are members here who thrive on signature campaign as means to an end. And obviously, all campaign now are gambling related and if Theymos ban it many are going to be affected.

But it could still go and continue to thrive and we might see the old forum even before there was signature campaigns.

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I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.

Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would.

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