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newbie
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Would you (pyramining) eat the cost incurred by quitters? Or will this be covered in the exit fee? Or will we simply see the "equivalent Hashing Power" drop?

What is the worst case scenario under which you (pyramining) will still generate profit?

Pyramining doesn't support "quitting", I am just considering an agreement with "The Rock", which is a separate independent company.

The cost incurred by "quitters" is "eaten" by The Rock (Eliale), who becomes the owner of the position previously open by the quitter. On the Pyramining side nothing would change, the account remains active with its owner replaced.

Equivalent Hashing Power doesn't drop, and nothing changes to other members.

The only case scenario that is coming on my mind, under which Pyramining could not generate profit anymore, is where for an unexpected natural disaster all the equipment gets destroyed. I think that the chances are _extremely_ low.

If Pyramining business will grow big enough, I will geographically distribute all the mining resources ro further reduce those risks.


Thanks for clarifying. Makes sense. Smiley
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
Would you (pyramining) eat the cost incurred by quitters? Or will this be covered in the exit fee? Or will we simply see the "equivalent Hashing Power" drop?

What is the worst case scenario under which you (pyramining) will still generate profit?

Pyramining doesn't support "quitting", I am just considering an agreement with "The Rock", which is a separate independent company.

The cost incurred by "quitters" is "eaten" by The Rock (Eliale), who becomes the owner of the position previously open by the quitter. On the Pyramining side nothing would change, the account remains active with its owner replaced.

Equivalent Hashing Power doesn't drop, and nothing changes to other members.

The only case scenario that is coming on my mind, under which Pyramining could not generate profit anymore, is where for an unexpected natural disaster all the equipment gets destroyed. I think that the chances are _extremely_ low.

If Pyramining business will grow big enough, I will geographically distribute all the mining resources to further reduce those risks.
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
Would you (pyramining) eat the cost incurred by quitters? Or will this be covered in the exit fee? Or will we simply see the "equivalent Hashing Power" drop?

What is the worst case scenario under which you (pyramining) will still generate profit?

hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Scattering my bits around the net since 1980
Lucky day today!

Second time I got a reply which describes properly the idea.

Thank you!
Yeah, how messed up is that! Twice in the same day. That just doesn't happen.

Should mark it on your calendar, and have an anniversary party next year to remember this day. Cheesy

-- Smoov
hero member
Activity: 838
Merit: 501
Lucky day today!

Second time I got a reply which describes properly the idea.

Thank you!
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
Changing of the payout address is very delicate. I had a talk with Eliale who proposed this service of "buying" the outstanding position.

It could be done under the following conditions:

1) The owner of the account should contact Eliale and negotiate about the "exit fee".
2) Both the owner of the account and Eliale need to contact me.
3) The outstanding amount would be sent by Eliale ONLY to the payout address originally specified in the account, and not to any other address.
4) When I see the transaction in the blockchain (Eliale -> original account payout address), I can change the account original payout address to an address given by Eliale (I met him personally, and he can be trusted).

I support Eliale proposal only because actually there is no way to "get out" of pyramining earlier. If he is available to offer such a service, it might be interesting for members.

This is an additional "feature", nobody is forced or encouraged to use it, unless he wants to quit pyramining earlier.
legendary
Activity: 1358
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I cannot change the payout address.

Pyramining needs to do it with the account holder authorization.

I have a silly question:  Is there any way to tranfer ownership of an account?  I have an account and may want to sell it to someone.  Is there any way to do that?

No, it is not possible: for security reasons, accounts can't be modified, therefore there is no way to modify a "payout address".

Are you more special than BurtW, eliale?
hero member
Activity: 838
Merit: 501
I cannot change the payout address.

Pyramining needs to do it with the account holder authorization.

legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
For those customers which will eventually needs to get out prematurely for personal reasons, please contact us at: info @therocktrading.com

We will buy your outstanding balance for a fee.

Also, do not forget to ask a referral number to us in order to get insured at no cost and no risk for you!

Thank you!


How will you acomplish that if you can't change payout addresses?
member
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I'm in Smiley

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/zydft2rq3       2012-06-06 14:09:08 UTC    still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/brpn8ya4h      2012-06-06 14:09:08 UTC    still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/8pbfmhync     2012-06-06 14:09:08 UTC    still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/senh7t3b9      2012-06-06 14:09:08 UTC    still active
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/cp9bqzs6e      2012-06-06 14:09:08 UTC    still active
hero member
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Thank you Smoov, your explanation on my behalf is absolutely correct!

Serenata, non need to apologie!  Questions are always more than welcome  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 250
Merit: 250
Smoovious, you're absolutely right! The usage of the insurance service itself does not pose any risk.
If eliale meant only that (i.e. using the insurance does not pose any risk), then please accept my apologies... Because he talked about both cost (i.e. no cost) and risk, I thought he meant that if you get insured, you will not have any risk of losing your coins, at no cost.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Scattering my bits around the net since 1980
According to your terms, you will not pay the insurance certificate if Bitcoin will be declared illegal by the USA and/or The European Union. So there is a risk for customers, it just depends on two things instead of one (pyramining closing down AND Bitcoin declared illegal). Please don't get me wrong, I do believe your service is innovative and useful, I just disagree on the no risk part ;-)
The only 'risk' part with insurance, would be the cost of the coverage.

Since the only thing he is asking for, for the coverage, is that the insuree uses one of their referral codes, and nothing out of pocket, the cost to the insuree is zero. Hence, "no risk."

The exception for the coin being declared illegal, is obvious, since if it was declared illegal, and he would pay off the value of coin, since the coin would be illegal, he would be breaking the law paying them off, basically redeeming them. With them being illegal in this case, they would essentially be worthless.

Any risk someone would have, by taking advantage of the service they offer, would be the same risk they would still have, by not taking advantage of it. The risk level has nothing to do with them offering you insurance, and odds are, we joined using someone's referral link anyways.

I see no risk to using his insurance. What risk do you see?

-- Smoov
sr. member
Activity: 250
Merit: 250
Also, do not forget to ask a referral number to us in order to get insured at no cost and no risk for you!
Thank you!

According to your terms, you will not pay the insurance certificate if Bitcoin will be declared illegal by the USA and/or The European Union. So there is a risk for customers, it just depends on two things instead of one (pyramining closing down AND Bitcoin declared illegal). Please don't get me wrong, I do believe your service is innovative and useful, I just disagree on the no risk part ;-)
hero member
Activity: 838
Merit: 501
I believe it is on topic  Smiley

It is about Pyramining and services offered for Pyramining Customers.

Also, be aware that all our proposals have been reviewed and approved by Pyramining management.



sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitcoin today is what the internet was in 1998.
For those customers which will eventually needs to get out prematurely for personal reasons, please contact us at: info @therocktrading.com

We will buy your outstanding balance for a fee.

Also, do not forget to ask a referral number to us in order to get insured at no cost and no risk for you!

Thank you!


Please stay on topic.  Wink
hero member
Activity: 838
Merit: 501
For those customers which will eventually needs to get out prematurely for personal reasons, please contact us at: info @therocktrading.com

We will buy your outstanding balance for a fee.

Also, do not forget to ask a referral number to us in order to get insured at no cost and no risk for you!

Thank you!
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
With this post I just want to give an example on how you can use Pyramining in a creative way, that can lead to interesting revenues.

If you want to follow this example, keep in mind that it will take between 2 and 3 years to completely receive your deposit + bonus back.

Register 3 accounts, in this way:

Account A with your desired payout address, using someone else's referral link.
Account B using Account A deposit address as payout address, using a referral link from A.
Account C using Account B deposit address as payout address, using a referral link from B.


An example with numbers:

You deposit 100 bitcoins into account C.

If you are going to find referrals, start to point them to account B, until it will reach 50% completion. After that, point next referrals to account A until the end.

Do some math. If you don't find any referral, you will end up with around 158 bitcoins on account A within 2 years (more than 58% revenues).

Since funds on accounts B and A gets transferred slowly (the result of account C mining), you have plenty of time to find referrals to those two accounts.

If you manage to find referrals for 5% more (15% total) on account B and 5% more (15% total) on account C, you will end up within 2 years with more than 178 bitcoins (more than 78%).

If you can find referrals for 20% total on account B and 20% total on account C, you will end up with more than 200 BTC, more than 100% gain.



The only "risk" is that your bitcoins are invested for a long time, and in 2 years anything can happen, so don't invest ALL your savings, go for an amount you are comfortable with! :-)

Keep in mind that when balance on account A exceeds 1 bitcoin, you will get paid, so the total income is spread across 2 - 3 years (you'll receive a little at first and most of it at the end, because funds on account A are the result of account B and C revenues).

Anyway if you compare it to many GBLSE mining ops where in 2 years you only reach the break-even point, this is far more interesting.

This is just an idea, I am sure it can be further improoved.

I advice you to not make account chains longer than 3 accounts, it would take TOO long to complete, and you can't modify payout addresses after account creation.

Also, don't do it if you are going to invest only 0.1 BTC or similar, you'd wait around 2 years to earn a few bitcoin cents. Reasonable amounts are 50 BTC or more (anyway you are free to invest your 0.001 if it makes you happy).
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
Also, I have a question about the 3rd point. Let's say I deposit 0.01 BTC and my referral deposits 10 BTC. Given your formula, the result is ((10/0.01)/10) = 100; The question is, am I right to take this number (100 in our case) and multiply it by the amount I deposited to get the final reward?  So if there are no more deposits, my reward would be 1btc Smiley

Yes, at the end you would be rewarded with 1.011 BTC. The number calculated with that formula is the additional bonus, if you multiply * 100 you get the % that you can add to your initial 5% or 10%.

Your deposit * ((((total_referrals_deposits) / your_deposit) / 10) + 1.05 + (0.05 if joining through a sponsor))

Let's assume you deposited 0.01, a referral deposited 10, you joined through a sponsor:

0.01 * ((((10 / 0.01) / 10) + 1.10)   =   0.01 * 101.1   =   1.011

Also, do you have any pointers on where is a good place to get some referrals (other than this forum)?

That's up to your creativity! ;-)
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
First of all, I want to say thanks for creating this service pyramining! I was thinking about investing into btc mining, but the price of entry is too steep. This service is great for me because I don't have to buy any hardware, and do anything really. I wish it to run for the long years to come.




3) You do some activity to find referrals, and someone joins using you as their sponsor.
You start with the bonus like in points 1) or 2). Everytime someone joins using you as sponsors and deposits any amount, your bonus will increase. The exact increase can be calculated with: ((sum of referral deposits / your deposit) / 10) ).

Also, I have a question about the 3rd point. Let's say I deposit 0.01 BTC and my referral deposits 10 BTC. Given your formula, the result is ((10/0.01)/10) = 100; The question is, am I right to take this number (100 in our case) and multiply it by the amount I deposited to get the final reward?  So if there are no more deposits, my reward would be 1btc Smiley


Also, do you have any pointers on where is a good place to get some referrals (other than this forum)?


The sponsor of this guy, must be ecstatic ---> http://www.pyramining.com/account/browse?id=d7ht2n84  Smiley

Here are my links, please join in the fun!
As a token of my gratitude I will make an avatar for you that will be similar to the one I have Smiley

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/eksc9g4qz
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/c3mta9enr
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/zck9qnr72
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/zdq7kn4x3
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/q9aetd8np
http://www.pyramining.com/referral/ckmszqaxy    2012-06-04 19:33:04 UTC    2012-06-10 13:53:47 UTC


Edit: updated referral links. Whoever joined Thank you! And you're welcome to PM me about the avatar, if you so desire Smiley
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