Human origin: Evolution or Creation - page 4.

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Quote from: ? on December 05, 2024, 01:10:40 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 05:49:00 PM

The Bible says that the Earth was created about 7,500 years ago. Josephus, using Ancient Hebrew manuscripts says this, and the Septuagint says it.

The earth and universe were created in this general form in 6 days. Man was created in less than one.

The guy who wrote this in the Bible was a guy who did miraculous things that could not have been done without God backing him. It was the strength of Moses. He wrote the truth, the first 5 books of the Bible.

There is no evolution. Standard cause and effect says that there is nothing that comes about by action that is not set in place by what happened before it. The power to plan and build the universe, is power that can make anything in little or no time... including life.

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I can't understand how an adult in the 21st century can still believe in bronze age fairy tales.

I think it is because the world can be a frightening place, and it is easier to just believe that you know everything.

I know exactly how you feel. Here we are in the age of scientific thinking, and so many people believe in the evolution fairy tale without even thinking. And it wouldn't be so bad, but even after they are shown the science against evolution, they keep right on believing in it. Strange.

I think it's that they want religion so badly, that they will simply accept just about anything. Don't mean to talk against your religion, but...

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 05:49:00 PM

The Bible says that the Earth was created about 7,500 years ago. Josephus, using Ancient Hebrew manuscripts says this, and the Septuagint says it.

The earth and universe were created in this general form in 6 days. Man was created in less than one.

The guy who wrote this in the Bible was a guy who did miraculous things that could not have been done without God backing him. It was the strength of Moses. He wrote the truth, the first 5 books of the Bible.

There is no evolution. Standard cause and effect says that there is nothing that comes about by action that is not set in place by what happened before it. The power to plan and build the universe, is power that can make anything in little or no time... including life.

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I can't understand how an adult in the 21st century can still believe in bronze age fairy tales.

I think it is because the world can be a frightening place, and it is easier to just believe that you know everything.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 05, 2024, 12:11:46 AM

Evolution means different things with regard to different things. The standard evolution that we talk about in nature did not happen that we know of.

I agree that the pope has no idea about reality. I don't understand why you follow some of his holy words and not others.

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Quote from: Vod on December 05, 2024, 12:00:53 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 11:27:43 PM

You are so slow. The Model A evolved into the Model T, and the Model T into the Fords we have today.

Evolved? We have exact records of the mutations on the design. Are you now admitting evolution is not random?

Evolution means different things with regard to different things. The standard evolution that we talk about in nature did not happen that we know of.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 11:27:43 PM

You are so slow. The Model A evolved into the Model T, and the Model T into the Fords we have today.

Evolved? We have exact records of the mutations on the design. Are you now admitting evolution is not random?

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 11:27:43 PM

You are so slow. The Model A evolved into the Model T, and the Model T into the Fords we have today.

Since you are talking evolution by design, you are saying that the Great Designer did it. But He doesn't talk in His Word like he evolved anything. He simply designed it, and then created it.

But that isn't what we were talking about regarding evolution.

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Please watch and understand those videos before you talk garbage.

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-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

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Quote from: jvanname on December 04, 2024, 10:39:56 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 07:21:52 PM

So, you have a different kind of divine signature. Most people are happy to accept the miracle of the Bible as a divine sig.

However. Evolution Theory destroys the idea of evolution. It's in the word 'random'. What random mutations really are, is mutations that nobody knows what they were. Since nobody knows what the mutations were, how do they know that it was mutations at all?

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Here are some YouTube videos where I train evolutionary algorithms to solve problems:

Factorization of a matrix where each entry is 1 into a product of three {0,1}-matrices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_kQo5ELHY

Maximizing the spectral radius of a submatrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KJuxu34Ey0

Maximizing the sum of a submatrix of a matrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqkcZoecgE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SCfcZmmbA

Making a bent vector.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtVJx0v3a9I

Making a Hadamard matrix with circulent cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_KKLPezAw

DeBruijn sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZ1mVbpGK8

Sum of a subtensor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adF2Wk2Ly8E

So yeah, evolutionary computation is a thing. It works because it does not rely on randomness alone because there is this thing called SELECTION which is non-random.

You are so slow. The Model A evolved into the Model T, and the Model T into the Fords we have today.

Since you are talking evolution by design, you are saying that the Great Designer did it. But He doesn't talk in His Word like he evolved anything. He simply designed it, and then created it.

But that isn't what we were talking about regarding evolution.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 07:21:52 PM

So, you have a different kind of divine signature. Most people are happy to accept the miracle of the Bible as a divine sig.

However. Evolution Theory destroys the idea of evolution. It's in the word 'random'. What random mutations really are, is mutations that nobody knows what they were. Since nobody knows what the mutations were, how do they know that it was mutations at all?

Cool

Here are some YouTube videos where I train evolutionary algorithms to solve problems:

Factorization of a matrix where each entry is 1 into a product of three {0,1}-matrices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_kQo5ELHY

Maximizing the spectral radius of a submatrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KJuxu34Ey0

Maximizing the sum of a submatrix of a matrix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqkcZoecgE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SCfcZmmbA

Making a bent vector.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtVJx0v3a9I

Making a Hadamard matrix with circulent cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_KKLPezAw

DeBruijn sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZ1mVbpGK8

Sum of a subtensor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adF2Wk2Ly8E

So yeah, evolutionary computation is a thing. It works because it does not rely on randomness alone because there is this thing called SELECTION which is non-random.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 09:51:06 PM

You can do that because you watched the results of the flips.

OK, I close my eyes while flipping the coins. Will not change their values. When someone later concludes that heads appeared more often, it can be verified by observation of the flipped coins.

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Quote from: Vod on December 04, 2024, 09:16:09 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 07:21:52 PM

However. Evolution Theory destroys the idea of evolution. It's in the word 'random'. What random mutations really are, is mutations that nobody knows what they were. Since nobody knows what the mutations were, how do they know that it was mutations at all?

I'm going to flip a coin ten times. The results are random. But you can look at the results to see what they were. Don't confuse random with unknowable.

You can do that because you watched the results of the flips. But since nobody saw any results of random mutations in action, nobody knows that they were the cause of evolution. Evolution talk is all hot air. Perhaps someday we will know what the random mutations were, but then they won't be random any longer. Because of the complexity involved, we will find that they were designed rather than spontaneous.

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Quote from: ? on December 04, 2024, 06:27:23 AM

The debate on human origin is a long one

I don't think it is debated anymore. Even the pope said we evolved, just under god's guidance. Roll Eyes

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 07:21:52 PM

However. Evolution Theory destroys the idea of evolution. It's in the word 'random'. What random mutations really are, is mutations that nobody knows what they were. Since nobody knows what the mutations were, how do they know that it was mutations at all?

I'm going to flip a coin ten times. The results are random. But you can look at the results to see what they were. Don't confuse random with unknowable.

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Quote from: jvanname on December 04, 2024, 07:16:33 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 06:55:02 PM

Yes they do. But it is rather hidden. What is it? The Bible started around 1,500 BC. And over the years, it has increased in popularity until it is the best seller today, more than double the second one.

So, use your math to determine the odds for the popularity of the Bible, especially considering that other ancient writings have almost zero popularity these days.

Btw, that's just the tip of it.

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That is not a divine digital signature. The scriptures need to be signed with a cryptographic signature. Some book has to be the best seller. That does not mean anything at all. You cannot go to the New York Times Best Sellers and pick a random book there and say it is from God.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

So, you have a different kind of divine signature. Most people are happy to accept the miracle of the Bible as a divine sig.

However. Evolution Theory destroys the idea of evolution. It's in the word 'random'. What random mutations really are, is mutations that nobody knows what they were. Since nobody knows what the mutations were, how do they know that it was mutations at all?

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 06:55:02 PM

Yes they do. But it is rather hidden. What is it? The Bible started around 1,500 BC. And over the years, it has increased in popularity until it is the best seller today, more than double the second one.

So, use your math to determine the odds for the popularity of the Bible, especially considering that other ancient writings have almost zero popularity these days.

Btw, that's just the tip of it.

Cool

That is not a divine digital signature. The scriptures need to be signed with a cryptographic signature. Some book has to be the best seller. That does not mean anything at all. You cannot go to the New York Times Best Sellers and pick a random book there and say it is from God.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

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Quote from: jvanname on December 04, 2024, 06:45:19 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 05:49:00 PM

The Bible says that the Earth was created about 7,500 years ago. Josephus, using Ancient Hebrew manuscripts says this, and the Septuagint says it.

The earth and universe were created in this general form in 6 days. Man was created in less than one.

The guy who wrote this in the Bible was a guy who did miraculous things that could not have been done without God backing him. It was the strength of Moses. He wrote the truth, the first 5 books of the Bible.

There is no evolution. Standard cause and effect says that there is nothing that comes about by action that is not set in place by what happened before it. The power to plan and build the universe, is power that can make anything in little or no time... including life.

Cool

Do those documents have their divine digital signatures?

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Yes they do. But it is rather hidden. What is it? The Bible started around 1,500 BC. And over the years, it has increased in popularity until it is the best seller today, more than double the second one.

So, use your math to determine the odds for the popularity of the Bible, especially considering that other ancient writings have almost zero popularity these days.

Btw, that's just the tip of it.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 04, 2024, 05:49:00 PM

The Bible says that the Earth was created about 7,500 years ago. Josephus, using Ancient Hebrew manuscripts says this, and the Septuagint says it.

The earth and universe were created in this general form in 6 days. Man was created in less than one.

The guy who wrote this in the Bible was a guy who did miraculous things that could not have been done without God backing him. It was the strength of Moses. He wrote the truth, the first 5 books of the Bible.

There is no evolution. Standard cause and effect says that there is nothing that comes about by action that is not set in place by what happened before it. The power to plan and build the universe, is power that can make anything in little or no time... including life.

Cool

Do those documents have their divine digital signatures?

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

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The Bible says that the Earth was created about 7,500 years ago. Josephus, using Ancient Hebrew manuscripts says this, and the Septuagint says it.

The earth and universe were created in this general form in 6 days. Man was created in less than one.

The guy who wrote this in the Bible was a guy who did miraculous things that could not have been done without God backing him. It was the strength of Moses. He wrote the truth, the first 5 books of the Bible.

There is no evolution. Standard cause and effect says that there is nothing that comes about by action that is not set in place by what happened before it. The power to plan and build the universe, is power that can make anything in little or no time... including life.

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The people on this site are incredibly uneducated chlurmcklets. I think that is because they went to universities, and these days, universities do not value education at all but would rather scam people and promote violence.

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-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

P.S. If you are looking for the scriptures for guidance, make sure that the scriptures have been authenticated using a divine digital signature. I am willing to develop a divine digital signature protocl that a deity can use to authenticate the scriptures so that you can look to them for guidance. After all, why would a deity send a document signed with a divine digital signature UNLESS the people reading that document have done enough basic research to understand divine digital signatures and develop divine digital signature protocols. Once that happens, you should believe anything signed in that document.

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These things exist in reality:

-Intelligence
-Shape and Form
-Purpose

A Crow can display intelligence like dropping a rock to break open a nut. All "Creatures" have Shape and Form, even plants. Every single thing you see with your own eyes has a purpose... from the hammer to the tree.

Why is it unreasonable to believe that whatever force "created" life has intelligence, shape and purpose?

In fact, even evolutionists believe in a force that created (big bang) only this force is the shape of a ball, unintelligent and without purpose.

Your own consciousness can testify to you that nothing is without purpose and intelligence cannot come from non-intelligence.

So ask yourself... is the Creator:

-An unintelligent ball of matter that created everything without purpose, shape or meaning?

-An intelligent being with Form that created all things with purpose and meaning?

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I believe it's something in between. Even science predicts we would not have such diversity if it were only for evolution. There are some rapid mutations that lead us to here.
As of the origin its still unclear and we can call that force which created life and the world a divine one. But the divine power that created all would not be anywhere near the stupid myths people have created called god.

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The debate on human origin is a long one

Where we created by a divine being???

Did we ultimately evolve from nothing??

Are there gray areas between these two point or are there as different as black and white.

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