Topic: Humility is garbage. You're too awesome for it. - page 2. (Read 5402 times)

Sure, Mr. Joint. To you there is probably no such thing as choice because you bend over every time something wants to fuck you over and you call it "sacrifice".

"I want to do this! I like it up the butt and so should you!"

In the end, it's a matter of individual perception. To me freedom is retaining my will to value what I choose. I accept what I can't change.

The cashier at the 7-11 always asked me that. I would sometimes be depressed as hell, with a migraine and the thought of suicide entering from every lobe. Despite all this I would always answer "I'm excellent. Always excellent." This wasn't to be courteous or not to be a burden -- it's genuine. I am always happy. I am always excellent. Nothing limits me nor my happiness for as long as I perceive; I take pleasure in it for I accept it as it is.

Anyways does it even matter? Why is my happiness so relevant to yours? You're a clingy one, aren't you? Oh I bet the women love you calling them at all hours of the day.

"We're one, Sarah! There's no such thing as an individual! You and me forever!"

"Personal space? Belongings! That's selfish!"

Heh.

"You're no individual. You're a shell; a means to an end. Feel free to be as such but you won't force me to play your game.

Heh and you define utilitarian resources such as energy as what makes life. You make me sick"





I'm happy.   Are you?

By the way...choice vs. "slavery" is a false dichotomy

...and life as we perceive is not a zero-sum game because our value is not limited to bare resources. Wealth can be created through what we perceive as innovation and more efficient consumption.

I mean, goddamn it, we have barely made the planet unlivable as it is. There are plenty of resources left to grasp and we still have the rest of the universe. There is no need to sacrifice. We're not all in poverty. The median wealth has raised for everybody over the past few centuries. The fact is wealth has been and will continue to be created.

Take the mathematical proof for a boundary of a boundary = zero, then add to that the concept of syndiffeonesis which essentially states that any 2 relands x and y are always embedded within a common syntax and so all relationships are syndiffeonic relationships, and you will see that the concept of an "individual" is really not that simple.  In fact, these two concepts alone are enough to throw anyone's idea of "self identity" for a loop.

Then, there is the idea of pride.  Pride is an extremely dangerous concept, especially when that pride is linked to some endowed characteristic such as your ethnic or cultural heritage.  If you are proud of what your forefathers or your ancestors did, don't be.  You didn't do a goddamn thing and there is no reason you should be proud of something you didn't do.  The idea of pride is one of the root causes of the self-vs-other paradigm which leads to things like nationalism and racism (the two are not mutually exclusive).

Having pride in something you DID do is a different issue, but it is still a touchy subject.  Can a person truly act alone to commit an act that he/she can be proud of?  Or is one's ability to act itself a result of interdependence?  I would argue for the latter.

Sacrifice is beautiful because it mitigates the ego.  When you are focused on someone else, you become selfless and compassionate.  As you are part of an interdependent system, acting selflessly and compassionately indirectly helps you.  Nature is about give and take and balance.  The thermodynamic law stating that energy cannot be created nor destroyed suggests a "zero sum game" as you put it.  If you look at nature, you will learn all you need to know about how to live.  Animals and plants take, and animals and plants give.  If you are unhappy with the current state of the world, maybe you need to sacrifice MORE, not less.  Those who take and take from nature will not be given the same amount in return.

Edit:  OP, being a human being is no more important than being a spec of dust on your mom's toilet seat.  Are you proud to be a human being?  Why the hell should you be?  By the way, the only argument I can think of that would give credence to the idea that human's are more "valuable" than anything else is due to the energy involved...we all know that it's better to eat a single cow because that cow contains x times the amount of energy of a single fish.  Thus, the cow has more energy to contribute, and thus more energy to give.  But actually...doesn't this suggest that sacrifice becomes MORE important as you climb higher up the food chain?

Edit 2:  Sacrifice is a sign of strength as it takes strength to sacrifice.  If your ego hurts when you sacrifice...then your ego is weak.

I do realize, and I said what you're saying in post#36.  

If you had no desires, you wouldn't be motivated to live. No desire --> No action as mentioned above. That's why there's no life without desire, or on the other side of the coin, no life without suffering (as the Bhuddists say).

The interesting phenomenon that the less you desire, the more pleasure you are able to receive. For example in meditation, the less you want to experience "states" while you're meditating, the "higher" you are able to get. (Meditation really can result in natural highs).

Contrary to what many people think, it is possible to "control" or influence your desires (and fears) quite extensively.
Can you look at a huge growling dog without feeling fear?
Can you look at a really hot woman without feeling desire? (try it and see what happens)
It's the same sort of mental function.

However letting go of your desires completely is tantamount to relinquishing your consciousness.  As long as you're aware, you still have some left.

Thats called getting a lobotomy and, oddly,  late-stage parkinsons. No desire -> no action

No shit...that song has so many awesome analogies...cornier than ethanol had me chuckling as well.

They are also too awesome for humility.

Yeah...us and every other known lifeform...you are no more evolved than an oak tree or a paramecium, homie.

Well experiencing isn't, wanting to is. Just to be clear, I'm not personally claiming to be selfless.


I hear ya. But I don't see any reason you can't do both at the same time  


I understand the concept of self. And I understand that it's a concept, not a tangible object.

No, he's right. Being attached to your desires is only suffering in the end. He just doesn't understand the concept of self.

I strongly recommend you try making love while on lots of drugs.

Of course but isn't experiencing pleasure selfish? Not so "selfless" is it?

The ultimate in pleasure arises from letting go of your desires.

How? There won't be a man left to experience pleasure nor give it in that case.

And here I thought the best path was the Yellow Brick Road.

Disagree. Selfless devotion is clearly the best path to awesomeness.

I believe you linked to the wrong awesome video. Try this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rYT0YvQ3hs