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Topic: [HYP] HyperStake | Generous Reward Staking | Advanced Staking Controls & Wallet - page 200. (Read 679332 times)

legendary
Activity: 1372
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Anarchy is not chaos.
We'll all probably get away with it (staking small'ish blocks) for another month or so, but I'm guesstimating that soon enough, we'll stop worrying about hitting the cap, and start worrying about having enough size/weight to stake before reaching 30 days maturity.
Personally, my block sizes are anything between 2K ~ 4K at the moment, but by the end of the month I'll be aiming at 3K+ blocks.
I just realised this could prove bad for network security, since bigger blocks => less block => less security.

I'd like your input on this. Extending max age or removing it altogether (like Blackcoin was the first to do, I think) would alleviate this issue and would lead to ever-diminishing blocks (and would require a hard fork). Difficulty would rise exponentially.
OTOH, after a transition phase from small blocks to large blocks during which network security would be reduced, we would again gain network security because inflation would lead to more block. Security/Difficulty would increase smaller, though (the larger the blocks, the smaller the difficulty rise).

Opinions?

I have no math to back this, but my take is that it will make little difference to security. Large blocks will stake faster, small blocks will take longer, but the network will continue to adjust to meet the time per block specifications. I suspect we'll see wild swings in difficulty as people figure out the optimum (for them) method of staking, but that over time it will stabilize. I'm not fully versed in the difficulty adjustment specs for HyperStake, but I believe it readjusts with every block, so the security risk is minimal.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 503
Monero Core Team
 Some new calculations. My point is that having 100% fail at 71200 means either very bad luck or that 71200 has a somehow low probability of staking (keep in mind that the population is onlt 2 blocks, so not statistically significant, though). Although, I have daily stakes of lower block (the power of randomness/nonce)
So, I'm heading to a higher block size and try with 4000, which should give 115491 weight, 60% more weight than a 2400 block. FYI, a block of 3000 would give 20% more weight. The table below shows which values are verified and which are extrapolated

 
 Size   Days   Weight
 2000      9    17341 (verified)
 2400     30    71200 (verified, 2 out of 2 did not stake after 3 days)
 3000      9    26011 (extrapolated)
 3000     30    86616 (extrapolated)
 4000      9    34682 (extrapolated)
 4000     30   115491 (extrapolated, if no 71200 block stake after 3 days, either particularly bad luck or low probability with 71200, thus trying 115491)


Update1:
David, since your concern is the security of the network I imagine you have a minimum diff as a target.  With that parameter you can then play with the others.
I don't have a diff target, I just speculate on the variation of diff.

Update2: due to present low diff, I have an unusually lot of blocks staking now. I don't expect this (relatively) low diff to last, though, so it should not impact my considerations.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1008
David, since your concern is the security of the network I imagine you have a minimum diff as a target.  With that parameter you can then play with the others.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 503
Monero Core Team
We'll all probably get away with it (staking small'ish blocks) for another month or so, but I'm guesstimating that soon enough, we'll stop worrying about hitting the cap, and start worrying about having enough size/weight to stake before reaching 30 days maturity.
Personally, my block sizes are anything between 2K ~ 4K at the moment, but by the end of the month I'll be aiming at 3K+ blocks.
I just realised this could prove bad for network security, since bigger blocks => less block => less security.

I'd like your input on this. Extending max age or removing it altogether (like Blackcoin was the first to do, I think) would alleviate this issue and would lead to ever-diminishing blocks (and would require a hard fork). Difficulty would rise exponentially.
OTOH, after a transition phase from small blocks to large blocks during which network security would be reduced, we would again gain network security because inflation would lead to more block. Security/Difficulty would increase smaller, though (the larger the blocks, the smaller the difficulty rise).

Opinions?
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Crackpot Idealist
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin


Oh man it sure is!

The themes were not in the build I upped for you but they are a bit buggy still on OSX (on my to do list)

I don't know what presstab will want to do but if nothing else I will send you a link for another build tomorrow with the themes and one more double check that I have fixed my build issues. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention bud.

If that´s how I can help, I´m glad to.  I wish I had more time.

There´s work, a class I´ve been taking, and some major personal stuff going on.
These days, if I get my pants on the right way, it´s a good day!

ha, you have no idea how handy it is to have one more person I can ask to test my builds... especially since you are running something older then 10.9 (which til now I was lacking) so again, thank you.

I will trade you your stress for my twins. . . and maybe some hyp to sweeten the deal

hi all , just a small comment about the market .
things are moving on Polo and this is good.
All we need is more pressure on the sell orders, so please for the ones how have some HYP on polo, remove your orders and stake !!!!
There is no point to sell at this current price, panic sell has already passed.
Thanx to presstab,david and the others for being faithful to HYP.




What incited the panic sell anyways? All I assumed it was the price was super high so people started cashing out....

Never look for logic in a panic. The two are incompatible. There was NO fundamental change in HyperStake or it's development. Just the usual continual improvements and tweaks. Somebody, somewhere, got their panties in a wad, and ten other idiots followed suit, which attracted a bunch of other idiots which propelled me into the top 250 on the Richlist. Fun as that was, I'm out of BTC, and tired of the idiots controlling the market. I'm not ready to sell yet, and will not be until I have at least 100K HYP. When I am, I'll list 25% across two markets, possibly three. I will not list for less than 2K sats, and if it sits and rots, so be it. If a bunch of us do that, it won't.

I'd say don't look for logic in general in the markets... there is no real rhyme or reason to prices or demand... just what the vultures think they can make a quick buck on.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 503
Monero Core Team
Selling "at market" is a stupid plan. I'd like everyone reading this to read that again. Hell, I'll repeat it. Selling "at market" is a stupid plan. If everyone who has a sell order up would take it down RIGHT NOW and relist at 2K satoshis or higher, do you really think no one would buy?
Easy tactic: Place a sell order at the second topmost price.
Why?
- Sell order for not dumping and what Biomech said
- Second topmost instead of topmost because topmost is used by bot. Second topmost may be used by bots too but less of a risk. You can sell at third topmost too (or even farther away from spread) but I doubt most people have the required patience (like for selling at 2K). Plus, selling consistently reduces volatility.

Update: if you sell order is not processed, don't close your sell order to place a sell order at a lower price. Just wait for you next stake.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
I'll follow suit, listing no less thank 2k sats, when I get 100k at least Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1022
Anarchy is not chaos.
hi all , just a small comment about the market .
things are moving on Polo and this is good.
All we need is more pressure on the sell orders, so please for the ones how have some HYP on polo, remove your orders and stake !!!!
There is no point to sell at this current price, panic sell has already passed.
Thanx to presstab,david and the others for being faithful to HYP.




What incited the panic sell anyways? All I assumed it was the price was super high so people started cashing out....

Never look for logic in a panic. The two are incompatible. There was NO fundamental change in HyperStake or it's development. Just the usual continual improvements and tweaks. Somebody, somewhere, got their panties in a wad, and ten other idiots followed suit, which attracted a bunch of other idiots which propelled me into the top 250 on the Richlist. Fun as that was, I'm out of BTC, and tired of the idiots controlling the market. I'm not ready to sell yet, and will not be until I have at least 100K HYP. When I am, I'll list 25% across two markets, possibly three. I will not list for less than 2K sats, and if it sits and rots, so be it. If a bunch of us do that, it won't.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
hi all , just a small comment about the market .
things are moving on Polo and this is good.
All we need is more pressure on the sell orders, so please for the ones how have some HYP on polo, remove your orders and stake !!!!
There is no point to sell at this current price, panic sell has already passed.
Thanx to presstab,david and the others for being faithful to HYP.




What incited the panic sell anyways? All I assumed it was the price was super high so people started cashing out....
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin


Oh man it sure is!

The themes were not in the build I upped for you but they are a bit buggy still on OSX (on my to do list)

I don't know what presstab will want to do but if nothing else I will send you a link for another build tomorrow with the themes and one more double check that I have fixed my build issues. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention bud.

If that´s how I can help, I´m glad to.  I wish I had more time.

There´s work, a class I´ve been taking, and some major personal stuff going on.
These days, if I get my pants on the right way, it´s a good day!
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1022
Anarchy is not chaos.
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin


Now we just need the price to go back up.

Why is the order book on Poloniex stuffed with sell orders of 50-100 HYP?

I´m pretty sure the answer is ¨someone is manipulating the price,¨but I thought I´d ask anyway.

Selling "at market" is a stupid plan. I'd like everyone reading this to read that again. Hell, I'll repeat it. Selling "at market" is a stupid plan. If everyone who has a sell order up would take it down RIGHT NOW and relist at 2K satoshis or higher, do you really think no one would buy?
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Crackpot Idealist
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin


Oh man it sure is!

The themes were not in the build I upped for you but they are a bit buggy still on OSX (on my to do list)

I don't know what presstab will want to do but if nothing else I will send you a link for another build tomorrow with the themes and one more double check that I have fixed my build issues. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention bud.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1009
Literally begging the question, but yup bascially Tongue
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin


Now we just need the price to go back up.

Why is the order book on Poloniex stuffed with sell orders of 50-100 HYP?

I´m pretty sure the answer is ¨someone is manipulating the price,¨but I thought I´d ask anyway.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!


Glad to help. This version is a big improvement.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Crackpot Idealist
and you sir just made my day.

w00t!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
ok, 'pretty' sure this is fixed. I have no idea why qmake is doing what it's doing... one step at a time

https://mega.co.nz/#!Fw8gBDCJ!X2Tko1rYUngRfax44k0CCRJOcidBZEzsxQ7HcURxhlQ

I invite all OSX users to test this out for me pretty please.


I just tried it. Works great on my system.
Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Crackpot Idealist
ok, 'pretty' sure this is fixed. I have no idea why qmake is doing what it's doing... one step at a time

https://mega.co.nz/#!Fw8gBDCJ!X2Tko1rYUngRfax44k0CCRJOcidBZEzsxQ7HcURxhlQ

I invite all OSX users to test this out for me pretty please.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
hi all , just a small comment about the market .
things are moving on Polo and this is good.
All we need is more pressure on the sell orders, so please for the ones how have some HYP on polo, remove your orders and stake !!!!
There is no point to sell at this current price, panic sell has already passed.
Thanx to presstab,david and the others for being faithful to HYP.


legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Crackpot Idealist
ok, I've located my problem now so *hopefully* I will have a fix soon. For some reason, qmake is not setting the target build as 10.5 even though the pro says to.

)(*&!@*#(&!)*(@^#&*)^!@ OSX
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