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Topic: [HYP] HyperStake | Generous Reward Staking | Advanced Staking Controls & Wallet - page 221. (Read 679335 times)

legendary
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"Yobit pump alert software" Link in my signature!
Ok.. so this is not the only coin affected.  Just went to sell my canna, that I was just selling for 4400 sat 24 hours ago, and now its at 1800 sat!?!? What the hell is going on?


You mean cannacoin on poloniex?? Nice buy support...0.01974841 BTC

ya.. your quite the fucking smartass.. what are you invested in Einstein?

Vegas
sr. member
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Ok.. so this is not the only coin affected.  Just went to sell my canna, that I was just selling for 4400 sat 24 hours ago, and now its at 1800 sat!?!? What the hell is going on?


You mean cannacoin on poloniex?? Nice buy support...0.01974841 BTC
legendary
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"Yobit pump alert software" Link in my signature!
Ok.. so this is not the only coin affected.  Just went to sell my canna, that I was just selling for 4400 sat 24 hours ago, and now its at 1800 sat!?!? What the hell is going on?
sr. member
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I think we need the devs to chime in , to help calm the investors. Maybe a long detailed post on whats happening, and what the plans are to put the brakes on this free fall. Did HYP over inflate itself?  I dont think so, money supply is 46 MIL, thats not a lot for a coin. Im trying to figure out what started this. Meanwhile TRK has trippled its value in 24 hrs. Hmmm...

46 MIL coins is not A LOT?? Smiley

TRK is another shit on the list to pump...maybe people are selling hyp for TRK who knows...
legendary
Activity: 1610
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"Yobit pump alert software" Link in my signature!
I think we need the devs to chime in , to help calm the investors. Maybe a long detailed post on whats happening, and what the plans are to put the brakes on this free fall. Did HYP over inflate itself?  I dont think so, money supply is 46 MIL, thats not a lot for a coin. Im trying to figure out what started this. Meanwhile TRK has trippled its value in 24 hrs. Hmmm...
sr. member
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Life is a bitch, get used to it...
LOL @ HYP
I wonder how many days until 1 sat  Grin Grin
sr. member
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Sure I think that lots of people confuse supply inflation and price inflation. HyperStake obviously has no control over exchange rates between HyperStake and other coins such as bitcoin, monero, doge, litecoin.  There was talk about a market stabilization fund "HyperShield", but I was largely against it because I didn't want to create a false sense of security.  These are crypto currency markets and typically crypto currency markets are very volatile, it only takes a few whales selling out to drop the price significantly and thats what we are seeing.

Dont worry about price guys, this will be stable soon or later when ppl start to realize that High PoS is the future of the alt coins, and hyperstake is on of the best High PoS coins, just going  on and all will be ok.

Keep the good job guys!.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...
legendary
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northern exposure
Sure I think that lots of people confuse supply inflation and price inflation. HyperStake obviously has no control over exchange rates between HyperStake and other coins such as bitcoin, monero, doge, litecoin.  There was talk about a market stabilization fund "HyperShield", but I was largely against it because I didn't want to create a false sense of security.  These are crypto currency markets and typically crypto currency markets are very volatile, it only takes a few whales selling out to drop the price significantly and thats what we are seeing.

Agree with you about HyperShield presstab, very honest/logical from your side.

Dont worry about price guys, this will be stable soon or later when ppl start to realize that High PoS is the future of the alt coins, and hyperstake is on of the best High PoS coins, just going  on and all will be ok.

Keep the good job guys!.
sr. member
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We are the first to program your future (c)
I don't completely agree with presstab declining the idea of HyperShield. Cryptocurrencies are the logical continuation of fiat currencies, they step much further but still can inherit merits of good old fiat monetary system if really need. Every government will manually stabilize liquidity and exchange rate if being in harsh times.

Our final goal is to create a consumer economy (money inflow and turnover), i.e. attract merchants. But merchants (as also minor investors) will only come to a predictable and more or less unfluctuating market. Which is possible only if something or someone will back HyperStake.

Searching for monster investors interested in a long-term big share of HYP should be our priority in the development process. We must target tech moguls who follow only major trends in the cryptocurrency world and present them the Big idea of HyperStake (green mining) as well as investment perspectives. It can be done via paid advertisements in pro-oriented media (covered by donations). Some free virus campaigns can be conducted in parallel (look what is trending and create interesting messages connected with it that can be tied to the brand).
legendary
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HYP is really getting murdered right now.. I wonder when floor will hit :p
sr. member
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Where the hell did I mention the Devs, not to mention 'sitting back and doing nothing', stop putting words in my mouth. As for your 1% of coins held by the top wallets, how does that make from the network weight angle?

You didn't mate - I was just talking out loud - I do that quite often, wasn't trying to put words in anyone's mouth.

member
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Great post.

Big holders will be left with tons of worthless coins when the majority of users lose interest in HYP b/c demand does not meet supply. In all fairness, what kind of coin HYP would be if its supply was distributed at 70% among the top ten addy? Just saying......
As you mentioned, the benefits should be offered to everyone involved, small holders included, which at the current rate of devaluation, is far from being the case (i.e given that one bought in at 5K a few weeks ago). It's ok for big holders to stake even when HYP's value decrease by 15% on a daily basis.

We need a deadline on the project you're working on, HYP's use in the real economy is what we're looking forward to. Keep up the good work.

I'm not sure of the % of coins held by the top wallets without checking (it's nowhere near 70%), but I know for instance, I hold less than 1% of coins, and I'm within the top 20-25 wallets usually.
As you'd expect to find though, the Devs Presstab and David hold a nice chunk of coins, but don't forget they've used a LOT of these coins for giveaways, promotions etc - and they're not just sitting back and doing nothing - they're actively developing HYP, be it technically or otherwise.
Do they deserve to be the top holders? Of course they do - hell, if they hadn't developed HYP in the first place, it wouldn't even exist.  Tongue

With regards to a deadline, I'll say from now that there's not going to be something concrete, written in stone, from me. It's my own initiative that I'm working on, and like others, I have a full time job, as well as a social life - that said, I'd like to see this come to fruition sooner rather than later.

For anyone else out there though, I would strongly suggest to yourselves to sit back, and think - "what can I do personally, to help advance HYP?" If it's nothing, no worries, but if you have ideas, skills, thoughts in the back of your mind you'd like to explore, then get on the IRC channel and share them. Nothing ventured is nothing gained.


Where the hell did I say anything about the Devs, not to mention 'sitting back and doing nothing', stop putting words in my mouth. As for your 1% of coins held by the top wallets, how much does that make from the network weight angle?

Now, seriously, the idea of buyers asking themselves that kind of question (i.e what should I do to help advance HYP) is a bit far streched, to say the least.
sr. member
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Great post.

Big holders will be left with tons of worthless coins when the majority of users lose interest in HYP b/c demand does not meet supply. In all fairness, what kind of coin HYP would be if its supply was distributed at 70% among the top ten addy? Just saying......
As you mentioned, the benefits should be offered to everyone involved, small holders included, which at the current rate of devaluation, is far from being the case (i.e given that one bought in at 5K a few weeks ago). It's ok for big holders to stake even when HYP's value decrease by 15% on a daily basis.

We need a deadline on the project you're working on, HYP's use in the real economy is what we're looking forward to. Keep up the good work.

I'm not sure of the % of coins held by the top wallets without checking (it's nowhere near 70%), but I know for instance, I hold less than 1% of coins, and I'm within the top 20-25 wallets usually.
As you'd expect to find though, the Devs Presstab and David hold a nice chunk of coins, but don't forget they've used a LOT of these coins for giveaways, promotions etc - and they're not just sitting back and doing nothing - they're actively developing HYP, be it technically or otherwise.
Do they deserve to be the top holders? Of course they do - hell, if they hadn't developed HYP in the first place, it wouldn't even exist.  Tongue

With regards to a deadline, I'll say from now that there's not going to be something concrete, written in stone, from me. It's my own initiative that I'm working on, and like others, I have a full time job, as well as a social life - that said, I'd like to see this come to fruition sooner rather than later.

For anyone else out there though, I would strongly suggest to yourselves to sit back, and think - "what can I do personally, to help advance HYP?" If it's nothing, no worries, but if you have ideas, skills, thoughts in the back of your mind you'd like to explore, then get on the IRC channel and share them. Nothing ventured is nothing gained.
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
I just wanted to put it out there a couple of observations I have made about HyperStake, as well as some future plans I'm personally working on here.

First of all, the price drop in HYP is for many people, disappointing. But realistically, what's changed?
Have there been any fundamental problems with HYP? No.
Is HYP considered to be the most advanced POS wallet with features not seen before in a POS coin? Yes.
Has HYP attracted haters? Most definitely Yes.

What we're seeing now is the realisation by some, that in order for the SAT price to stay the same, day by day, it meant that the new buyers into HYP would have to grow by roughly 2% every day, to keep pace with the rising level of HYP OR that existing holders of HYP decided to grow their holdings, rather than sell.
Consequently, when the buy support for HYP fell after a while, panic has set in, and we now see the SAT price at a low not seen for some time.
However, the current market cap of HYP still stands at 370BTC - this is a far cry from the 50BTC it was when I first checked out HYP's cap - hell, at one point it was even around 35BTC if I remember rightly.

So, what's the point of my writing?

Even though the price, for many, is lower than they bought in, compared to just 4 months ago, the overall market cap of HYP has grown at least 7 fold.
You'll  have seen many new coins go crazy at some point - with HYP it hit the headlines, and people jumped on the bandwagon - some making a good profit, others not doing so well. From a personal perspective, I can say that I've managed to do most of my Christmas shopping from selling a bit of my staked coins, but I'm still holding the vast majority of my HYP and will continue to do so.

It's also worth noting that whoever is dumping now, is dumping into the hands of some of the biggest holders of HYP.
I know this because I keep a good eye on the top wallets on the richlist, and I keep getting knocked down the list (big holders topping up), and RARELY do I see my place going up the list (big holders selling).

Now, looking at things from a different angle, where does the value of any crypto-coin come from? If you look at it from a physical business point of view,valuations are generally built on assets, profitability, future earnings potential, etc etc....

Over the last couple of weeks, I've personally been looking into ways of integrating FIAT based services with that of HyperStake, allowing a constant stream of $$$ / £££ / €€€ to be used to buy up HYP from the market, and hold, as a business asset.
Whilst this is still in development, I have a strong feeling this will prove to be successful, as it will offer benefits to everyone involved.
It will add another string to the bow of HYP, so to speak, and for those who want to get involved, it could prove to be a real game changer.



 


Great post.

Big holders will be left with tons of worthless coins when the majority of users lose interest in HYP b/c demand does not meet supply. In all fairness, what kind of coin HYP would be if its supply was distributed at 70% among the top ten addy? Just saying......
As you mentioned, the benefits should be offered to everyone involved, small holders included, which at the current rate of devaluation, is far from being the case (i.e given that one bought in at 5K a few weeks ago). It's ok for big holders to stake even when HYP's value decrease by 15% on a daily basis.

We need a deadline on the project you're working on, HYP's use in the real economy is what we're looking forward to. Keep up the good work.

+1 Serby
member
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I just wanted to put it out there a couple of observations I have made about HyperStake, as well as some future plans I'm personally working on here.

First of all, the price drop in HYP is for many people, disappointing. But realistically, what's changed?
Have there been any fundamental problems with HYP? No.
Is HYP considered to be the most advanced POS wallet with features not seen before in a POS coin? Yes.
Has HYP attracted haters? Most definitely Yes.

What we're seeing now is the realisation by some, that in order for the SAT price to stay the same, day by day, it meant that the new buyers into HYP would have to grow by roughly 2% every day, to keep pace with the rising level of HYP OR that existing holders of HYP decided to grow their holdings, rather than sell.
Consequently, when the buy support for HYP fell after a while, panic has set in, and we now see the SAT price at a low not seen for some time.
However, the current market cap of HYP still stands at 370BTC - this is a far cry from the 50BTC it was when I first checked out HYP's cap - hell, at one point it was even around 35BTC if I remember rightly.

So, what's the point of my writing?

Even though the price, for many, is lower than they bought in, compared to just 4 months ago, the overall market cap of HYP has grown at least 7 fold.
You'll  have seen many new coins go crazy at some point - with HYP it hit the headlines, and people jumped on the bandwagon - some making a good profit, others not doing so well. From a personal perspective, I can say that I've managed to do most of my Christmas shopping from selling a bit of my staked coins, but I'm still holding the vast majority of my HYP and will continue to do so.

It's also worth noting that whoever is dumping now, is dumping into the hands of some of the biggest holders of HYP.
I know this because I keep a good eye on the top wallets on the richlist, and I keep getting knocked down the list (big holders topping up), and RARELY do I see my place going up the list (big holders selling).

Now, looking at things from a different angle, where does the value of any crypto-coin come from? If you look at it from a physical business point of view,valuations are generally built on assets, profitability, future earnings potential, etc etc....

Over the last couple of weeks, I've personally been looking into ways of integrating FIAT based services with that of HyperStake, allowing a constant stream of $$$ / £££ / €€€ to be used to buy up HYP from the market, and hold, as a business asset.
Whilst this is still in development, I have a strong feeling this will prove to be successful, as it will offer benefits to everyone involved.
It will add another string to the bow of HYP, so to speak, and for those who want to get involved, it could prove to be a real game changer.



 


Great post.

Big holders will be left with tons of worthless coins when the majority of users lose interest in HYP b/c demand does not meet supply. In all fairness, what kind of coin HYP would be if its supply was distributed at 70% among the top ten addy? Just saying......
As you mentioned, the benefits should be offered to everyone involved, small holders included, which at the current rate of devaluation, is far from being the case (i.e given that one bought in at 5K a few weeks ago). It's ok for big holders to stake even when HYP's value decrease by 15% on a daily basis.

We need a deadline on the project you're working on, HYP's use in the real economy is what we're looking forward to. Keep up the good work.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 250
I just wanted to put it out there a couple of observations I have made about HyperStake, as well as some future plans I'm personally working on here.

First of all, the price drop in HYP is for many people, disappointing. But realistically, what's changed?
Have there been any fundamental problems with HYP? No.
Is HYP considered to be the most advanced POS wallet with features not seen before in a POS coin? Yes.
Has HYP attracted haters? Most definitely Yes.

What we're seeing now is the realisation by some, that in order for the SAT price to stay the same, day by day, it meant that the new buyers into HYP would have to grow by roughly 2% every day, to keep pace with the rising level of HYP OR that existing holders of HYP decided to grow their holdings, rather than sell.
Consequently, when the buy support for HYP fell after a while, panic has set in, and we now see the SAT price at a low not seen for some time.
However, the current market cap of HYP still stands at 370BTC - this is a far cry from the 50BTC it was when I first checked out HYP's cap - hell, at one point it was even around 35BTC if I remember rightly.

So, what's the point of my writing?

Even though the price, for many, is lower than they bought in, compared to just 4 months ago, the overall market cap of HYP has grown at least 7 fold.
You'll  have seen many new coins go crazy at some point - with HYP it hit the headlines, and people jumped on the bandwagon - some making a good profit, others not doing so well. From a personal perspective, I can say that I've managed to do most of my Christmas shopping from selling a bit of my staked coins, but I'm still holding the vast majority of my HYP and will continue to do so.

It's also worth noting that whoever is dumping now, is dumping into the hands of some of the biggest holders of HYP.
I know this because I keep a good eye on the top wallets on the richlist, and I keep getting knocked down the list (big holders topping up), and RARELY do I see my place going up the list (big holders selling).

Now, looking at things from a different angle, where does the value of any crypto-coin come from? If you look at it from a physical business point of view,valuations are generally built on assets, profitability, future earnings potential, etc etc....

Over the last couple of weeks, I've personally been looking into ways of integrating FIAT based services with that of HyperStake, allowing a constant stream of $$$ / £££ / €€€ to be used to buy up HYP from the market, and hold, as a business asset.
Whilst this is still in development, I have a strong feeling this will prove to be successful, as it will offer benefits to everyone involved.
It will add another string to the bow of HYP, so to speak, and for those who want to get involved, it could prove to be a real game changer.



 
legendary
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I just saw diff bump with 3, is it time to increase block size when staking?

Ha ha I have the opposite thought. Does this mean I need to decrease block size so that I don't hit the max?

That's the question, isn't it? Speed, take the hit and make it up on compounding, or try to get close but not exceed.

I'm on the fence so I'm doing both Tongue


Well I see it as by trying to avoid one constant your going to hit the other, which is the 30 day weight. So  I think smaller blocks is the "safer" way to go, but eventually you'll be hitting the 30 day max age, unless that gets changed to 60 days as stated a couple pages back.

Question to @presstab tho,

Was the web wallet discussed also several pages back just an idea? That would be super interesting, and really be another first. AFAIK , there is no web wallet that does POS.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
I just saw diff bump with 3, is it time to increase block size when staking?

Ha ha I have the opposite thought. Does this mean I need to decrease block size so that I don't hit the max?

That's the question, isn't it? Speed, take the hit and make it up on compounding, or try to get close but not exceed.

I'm on the fence so I'm doing both Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1330
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Blockchain Developer
I just saw diff bump with 3, is it time to increase block size when staking?

Ha ha I have the opposite thought. Does this mean I need to decrease block size so that I don't hit the max?
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000
Blockchain Developer
This is not as complicated as it's being made out to be.

When using terms like "inflation control"...
The only thing that matters here is Money Supply growth...
How fast are those 46,051,232 coins growing relative to a previous period?

As for how...
It doesn't matter if you have midgets wrestling for blocks...
Or naked women are dropping stake blocks from helicopters over Gotham City.

Also, referencing the 750% nominal rate as "static" is meaningless...
Since people staking correctly are doing MUCH more than that...
(I'm doing a REAL rate of 5,000-6,000% annual if compounded daily)...
And when the Max Generation kicks in the REAL rate will gradually drop to zero over time.

It's all about Money Supply growth and since you have the information...
Please tell us the Money Supply Pct Growth for each of the last 4 weeks...
Or a graph... or any other format you may have available.

Clarity on this is a good way to restore market confidence.

Sure I think that lots of people confuse supply inflation and price inflation. HyperStake obviously has no control over exchange rates between HyperStake and other coins such as bitcoin, monero, doge, litecoin.  There was talk about a market stabilization fund "HyperShield", but I was largely against it because I didn't want to create a false sense of security.  These are crypto currency markets and typically crypto currency markets are very volatile, it only takes a few whales selling out to drop the price significantly and thats what we are seeing.

Money supply statistics can be found quite easily, I added an RPC command, "moneysupply" on July 8th, days from launch. You can check this command at anytime, and I encourage it, because money supply statistics are important. The current output:
Code:
{
"moneysupply - present" : 46010753.75979300,
"moneysupply - 960 blocks ago" : 45349430.95171700,
"moneysupply - 6,720 blocks ago" : 41620291.44066900,
"moneysupply - 28,800 blocks ago" : 29433914.51322000,
"supply change(last 960 blocks)" : 661322.80807600,
"supply change(last 6,720 blocks)" : 4390462.31912400,
"supply change(last 28,800 blocks)" : 16576839.24657300,
"supply change since fork (block 31781)" : 37298942.52201400,
"time change over 960 blocks" : 1.00379630,
"time change over 6,720 blocks" : 7.11354167,
"time change over 28,800 blocks" : 30.46195602,
"avg daily rate of change (last 960 blocks)" : 0.01431886,
"avg daily rate of change (last 6,720 blocks)" : 0.01341421,
"avg daily rate of change (last 28,800 blocks)" : 0.01182727,
"projected money supply 1 day from now (daily compound)" : 46669575.48539219,
"projected money supply 7 days from now (daily compound)" : 50508941.65688521,
"projected money supply 30 days from now (daily compound)" : 65471271.63501146
}

You can see that the last day has added about 1.4% to the supply (661k HYP).  I have always encouraged people to use this RPC command, I made it for a reason.
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