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September 30, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
#30
Thank you all for your support, it really means something. I would like to thank Dexter12 in particular: "No fud, no price talking, no bullshit." You summed it up so well!

Just this once will not hurt. This entry will be pretty short. Noted stakelover Crazyloaf mentionned that HyperStake could make for a great game currency. That's the perfect occasion to write about one of those little things which did not make it into HYP.

I entertained at the beginning to have a 7 days staking period. Why seven? Because it allows people who depleted their stake, for instance by spending it on a game, to "have it back" exactly one week later. Much better readidiblity and thus adoption in my mind.
Now, this could not have work with HYP, since this is not an exact amount of time, but more like a probability and it depends on the size of the block. All of this I did not know by then (I was still thinking NVCS and more than that, I did not know NVCS as much as I do know).
Nevertheless, this anecdote is still worth mentionning: stake should be considered from a user point of view. What kind of new habit can emerge when you know that you will regularly get more money? Sure, some people will just waste it, as the basic income experiment in India showed it. But some will start to change their habits, to consider saving, for instance (remember what I said about education earlier). That can be very simple: instead of spending an undertermined amount of money on a game, now you only spend your HyperStake money. When there is no more, you must wait one week (or more). Sure, that's tough, but that could prove useful for people both poor and addicted. As Crazy said it: "I'd be interested in seeing how HYP could fare with gamers".

And you, which creative use of HyperStake do you have in mind? Some people talked about a multipool and Dexpla opened the cryptoclubz, the social network for crypto (by the way, my programmed sending gave him 200 more HYP since last time - I am the only one). What else? A yes, Hyperloan (you don't know what it is? you'll see).

I also discovered that a lot of people on the ANN are on the first high-PoS with HYP (thanks to all the community members who welcome and answer to the newbies). That should be an avenue to consider. We have an opportunity to get a professional-quality video (at a price). What would you like in such a video (or series of short videos)? Pure promotion, education to high-pos, tutorial... cycoinminer has a nice example. Iantunc has a good start for a tutorial (including the comparison with pool miner who could leave with your money).

Other thing, it is now possible to link straight to a block on the explorer. I have no use for it, but presstab cares to disagree Smiley

Oh, one last thing (I said this entry would be "pretty short" - yeah right). Crazyloaf (again) proposes a joint high-PoS IRC channel, to talk about HYP but also TEK, HBN, CAP, GRW, PHS... It would serve both purposes, I believe: first to be a place to talk about high-pos (TEK has tiny discussions on IRC and the others have none) and second to talk about everything that is coin-independant, like new uses of stalking, how to sell... He also has another idea, using HYP for tips the way DOGE, reddit gold and, more recently, bitmark on Poloniex are used. Feeling tHYPsy?

As iantunc stated, It is the experiment that tend to appear successful.
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September 24, 2014, 09:07:16 PM
#29
I really don't know what to say about HYP, except one word !!!Amazing!!!!
No fud, no price talking, no bullshit. Excellent Community!! Excellent lead/dev. I am proud to be part of it (since the beginning)!


So YOU are still not part of it now?! Its never too late to be a HYPstaker. Buy some, stake them and repeat it, enjoy!!




Thanks Dexter. All HYPsters are gold!
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September 24, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
#28
I really don't know what to say about HYP, except one word !!!Amazing!!!!
No fud, no price talking, no bullshit. Excellent Community!! Excellent lead/dev. I am proud to be part of it (since the beginning)!


So YOU are still not part of it now?! Its never too late to be a HYPstaker. Buy some, stake them and repeat it, enjoy!!


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September 23, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
#27
Well Done Guys!!! I see no end in sight! Thank you all so very much for your continued support & development! You Rock!  Grin
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September 23, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
#26
Things are going exponential with HyperStake. This digest is meant to show some examples of such activity.

After the price recently tripled (then came down a bit), more and more initiatives are happening. This deserves a listing, although an unordered one.

Latapie pledge: automatically selling 25% of your stake to an exchange for XMR. Manual selling. Increases liquidity, helps maintaining #1 position in XMR market (=> visibility => adoption)


Stolen coins. Holder Dexpla had his coin stolen. OK, his own fault but still, giving some support would be nice. Address is here pC65u6zPz9SHkffKYa4Jn69dAD5zy8yyVY. Once multisend and triggers (up to 1k, up to 3 days, up to 10 stakes...) will be operationnal, even better. Update: HYP] Dexpla support Hall of fame
"HyperStake: don't do evil"


Achievements
  • Price up to more than 3k
  • Up to 97 persons on ##hyperstake (the picture is for 95, if you have better one, contact me)
  • We have 257 Twitter followers
  • Diff is above 1, which is exceptionnal for a pure PoS coin
  • We are #81 at coimarketcap
  • 24 hours volume broke the 10 BTC barrier. Now we are playing with the big boys, with a green border around the ticker

Wikia. Still more articles on the HyperStake wikia. If you want to stay current: http://hyperstake.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity

Version 1.0.6 is a massive upgrade:
  • Themable wallet with changes on the fly, better icons (some animated), look at the pictures! Other themes (like Poloniex and Poloniex-Night) should appear later
  • Persistant Stake For Charity/HyperSend (no need to restart it everytime you launch the wallet), with dedicated sending notifications (so now, you know if your stake stays in your wallet or is sent to an external address)
  • Block Explorer
  • Better calculations, new DNS seed, the HYP explorer (the one you can register your address to)
  • Deleting old receiving addresses (useful for those who misunderstood "split in several blocks" for "split in several addresses, backup your wallet first because if you delete the wrong address, you lose all the coins in this address, forever)
    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8930165

IRC, dfletcher wrote the hyperlotto bot. Looks even more addictive than rain (and costs less to donators). Sole issue: you get so much "highlight spam" you'd better either deactivate highlighting (not a good idea, I'd say), don't play or play with such low amount you do not appear as one of the biggest gambler. drewdrew even setup a dedicated chan, ##hyp-games, to reduce the spam - and right as I am writing, there is a proposal to add another game, a roulette. Meanwhile, trivias (mainly on HyperStake questions) and quizz continue. An some freeriders now have accumulated enough to start making it rain themselves. It's about sharing.

As you can see, a lot of activity going in just a week. This is very reassuring for the coin and very flattering for us, because it means HyperStake sparks off excitement. Thank you to all, be it developers, traders and holders.
And more to come.
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September 22, 2014, 08:26:17 PM
#25
Just so everyone can have it here, the link to the HYPWiki: http://hyperstake.wikia.com/wiki/HyperStake_Wiki

Please read as there is fantastic information there and content is always being added/improved.
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September 21, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
#24
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September 21, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
#23
Feel like I'm growing brain cells here, one of the very best threads on bct, please keep sharing, thanks.
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Monero Core Team
September 21, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
#22
Thank you dear readers for your kind words. I would like to mark a pause on my long writing (work at Malla will be intense) and to start some shorter posts about things I read on various threads. See it as an open notepad.

SMS transfer considered harmful (for privacy)
I proposed somewhere to implement SMS transfer (via 37coins, like MYR did). Then my Monero colleague fluffypony posted this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8912811
Now, SMS for HYP is OK (especially if we can embed a link to Apple Store/Google Play for a semi-auto install of the mobile wallet. It is just that it won't be private but HYP is not aiming to be private anyway. Still, worth mentionning.
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September 20, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
#21
All things spoken here are aimed towards the curious individual to educate them on how/why HYP is what it is. Excellent post David!
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September 20, 2014, 02:39:13 PM
#20
Interesting...  I've watched hyp but have not bought it.  You're concerned about hyperinflation so you'll use two inflation control mechanisms.  One can be worked around, the other will not take effect for a while.  Why build a coin with 750% PoS and then be worried about hyperinflation?  This seems a bit asinine.
To make a point: very high inflation rate can be managed if done well. Remember HYP is an experiment at heart. Now, it is a very successful experiment for the moment, but still an experiment.

Update: presstab's interview just released. A great one, a nice introduction for people who don't know PoS and explains well where we are heading and how.
HyperStake, a coin with 750 % annual PoS
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September 20, 2014, 02:21:36 PM
#19
Interesting...  I've watched hyp but have not bought it.  You're concerned about hyperinflation so you'll use two inflation control mechanisms.  One can be worked around, the other will not take effect for a while.  Why build a coin with 750% PoS and then be worried about hyperinflation?  This seems a bit asinine.
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September 20, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
#18
Gini Index for HYP and other high PoS coins with decent adoption and market cap levels sounds sexy!
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September 20, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
#17
Nice post David, i'm very happy with my advanced hyper staking wallet, but reading about new features is good.
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September 20, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
#16
HyperStake is hyperactive. We are releasing features very frequently. Why? Not to pump the price, just because we like to do it. Of course, the features have to be useful. Being sort of old-timers in high-PoS does help.
Some features we developed:

Device support
Raspberry Pi
Thanks to Sluppy for much of the work. Apologies guys if I forgot some people, just mention it and I will correct.
Raspberry Pi are very useful because the are low power (3W?). HYP wallets benefit from being online 24/7, whilst not requiring much power. In short Raspberry Pi and HyperStake are made for one another.    

ARM
We plan to have Android and iOS wallets. Staking ones. Sure, they will drain your battery, but you could turn this off. Now, out of the fun part, is it really useful to stake on wallet? You should not have most of your coins in a device that you can easily lose/get stolen like a phone or a tablet. Thus what you have in mobile device should be for buying, so hardly time for staking, especially since buying would more often than not imply destroying your coinage. For the moment, I see no reason for a staking wallet on mobile device, out of the sheer fun (which is important, and maybe central in HyperStake).
In any case, having working wallets on ARM is important, because I envision ARM to become an even more important part of the computers in the future. A company (which was sadly way to ahead of time) was even designing ARM CPUs for supercomputers.

Inflation control
That's what scares most people, especially in a deflationary environment like Bitcoin and with crazy-high interest rates like 750% (even 20% seems crazy when compared to real world but you just can't compare the risk in real-world and the risk in Cryptoland - the risk must be mitigated accordingly).
The danger is exagerated, but there is still a danger of spiraling in hyperinflation. That's why most high-PoS coins introduced several mechanisms. The best-known is NoVaCoin Stake (NVCS) but we decided not to use it (Presstab could explain in more accurate terms why we did not use it).

Instead, we are using two other inflation control mechanisms: max subsidy and max generation.

Max subsidy reduces compounded interest and economically encourages increased security - if your block is so large that you would get more than 1000 HYP by staking, the HYP above 1000 are lost, so you'd better have several smaller blocks instead of a giant one. In turn, several smaller blocks will take longer to stake, so they will secure the network longer (provided you leave your wallet open, which in turns is more of an incentive when you have several block almost to the point of staking than when you know there is no chance you stake before long).

Max generation works this way: the daily generation is capped. We are presently at around 20% of the maximum (960 000 HYP per day) but we will eventually arrive to it. When this will happen, I expect the price of HYP to increase because of scarcity - assuming adoption continues to extend. That bothers me a bit because this would lead to a situation similar to block halving, which I personally dislike. We are considering ways to "smoothen" this max generation cap. No promise we'll find a way. If we do find a way, this will be integrated into the "mega fork" that we will implement in several months and that will integrate a lot of changes all at once - the goal being to minimise the amount of changes for the holders and exchanges.

Staking management
We say HyperStake has the "Most Advanced Coin Control Wallet" for a reason. It really has, it's plain fact. And with max subsidy, this is not a gadget, this is actually useful. You'll see plenty of discussions regarding the "sweet spot" (fastest reward without wasting coins because of the 1000 HYP barrier from max subsidy (hint for finding it). Still, there is an issue here: people would have to merge the split blocks every day (for the block with less than one day of age). Ultimately, only devoted holders will do it, so it would lead to a concentration of coins. Worst-case scenario, it would lead to the coin being abandonned, because it is "too cumbersome to manage". An automated system would act as an equalizer. One more thing to consider for future coding.

New uses of staking
The combination of very high interest rate, pretty quick min age (8.8 days) and focus on experimentation paves the way to new uses of staking, beyond "I hoard and I get rich" (look at what is going in real estate with such a mentality). This is really what makes me the most excited about with this coin. Following the footstep of Apple, I proposed that major features would have a catchy name. Apple has CoreAudio, Grand Central, AirPort, FireWire, ThunderBolt... HyperStake has two initiatives: HyperShield and HyperSend.

HyperShield
The HyperShield initiative is oriented toward protecting the coin (the name comes from Blackcoin's BlackShield). Below are some of the instruments.
  • A pledge for a buy wall (sell 25% or your stake every month and devote a part of this profit to a buy wall, itself being coordinated by the community).
  • Using the endowment function to have self-sufficient faucets and community bounties "staking bounties" (which in turn requires some maths to know how much should be used during every staking period to avoid reducing the principal sum). The rationale is that faucet and giveways encourage people to care for HyperStake even if they don't have much.
  • To maintain intentionally small blocks devoted to security only, since they will take a lot of time to stake.
  • Using the HyperSend feature to increase adoption and encourage liquidity (Poloniex already gave his agreement for "staking to exchange")
  • A buying bot for market making, further increasing liquidity, which is a plague of high interest securities.
  • Hopefully we’ll find way to ensure a better distribution of coins too. I did not run the maths about coin distribution, but we should do our best to have a better distribution. Concentration leads to the demise of a coin (one could argue this is the problem now with fiat graph, video, by the way). Speaking of that, I’d like to have something similar to a Gini index but for HYP and others, to compare - but since every one can have multiple wallet, that makes it difficult a discussion on this.

HyperSend
The HyperSend feature is a generalisation of Stake for Charity (S4C), a great innovation by Tranz. Stake for Charity allows to automatically devote a part of the staking to a secondary address, which is turn will be used for donating to a charity of your choice. Historically, Stake for Charity was not even implemented in the GUI wallet, it was a RPC-only feature. True to the great relation between presstab and Tranz, presstab created the GUI wrapper and Tranz used this code to integrate it further into the HBN wallet.

Stake for Charity further evolved into some more uses in BottleCap, the second coin Tranz is taking care of. Here, it is called Autosaving and its goal is mainly to backup some coins to a cold wallet, for security, including against oneself (compulsive spending, anyone?).

Why not push the limits further? Ultimately this is not about charity or about saving, this is about automatically sending a part of your stake somewhere else. Hence the term HyperSend.

Possibilities are endless. On top of the above "charity" and "cold wallet" options, it is now possible to automatically send a part of the stake to an exchange (Poloniex already agreed), for selling. This will in turn encourage liquidity since people will have HYP ready to be sold. Since it is not automatic, it won't lead to contant dumping like multipools. And since exchanges usually do not stake (for obvious security reasons, staking requiring a hot wallet) holders will still have an incentive to sell from time to time (money on the exchange is basically sleeping money). Another possibility is to automatically send HYP to friends to make them aware of it in an way that both incite them to pay attention and doesn't hurt you - you are giving a part of your profits, not your principal sum. With some extra coding yet to be scheduled, (namely, timed sending for, say "I stake for my friend for 30 days then he is on his own and I stake for another friend"), this could become a very effective way to spread the "HYP love". Yet one more option, for later, is to arrange contracts with merchants, for instance to get a free coffee every month or week. You send HYP to a merchant's wallet and once you get enough, they offer you a coffee or a meal. "HyperStake: there is such a thing as a free lunch."

Have fun
HyperStake is meant to be fun to use. Fun means adoption and, remember, game is the second most efficient way to learn (the most efficient of all is shame, but this is hardly a pleasurable one).
So, among other things, HyperStake will be the very first wallet (that we know of) to implement skins — and on the fly theme switching, on top of that. Yes, you'll be able to choose between different appearances. The default appearance will be called HyperBlue (see a trend, here?) and once the feature will be released, there will already be a second layout to choose from, called Poloniex, in hommage to the biggest exchange for HYP (we received legal authorization from Poloniex to use their name).
In turn, having a themable wallet make it easier to have a theme for children - remember what I said about learning? financial illiteracy is plaguing the modern world. Piggycoin was the first coin to try to address this topic and we believe that HyperStake with HyperSend could help raising awareness on sharing and saving - plus the ease of keeping track of spending thanks to the blockchain technology.

I hope I gave you some more reasons to get interested in HyperStake. Now is a good time to buy or hedge HYP with Bitcoins or Monero.
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September 19, 2014, 06:02:38 PM
#15
cool, and it seems monero whales might buy some hypers Wink if the market starts moving
I will definitely watch the volume here. Volume = market has confidence on HYP.
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September 19, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
#14
cool, and it seems monero whales might buy some hypers Wink if the market starts moving
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September 19, 2014, 05:49:19 PM
#13
At the time of writing, some other such inspirations are on the way. No, I won't tell you Smiley
Just happened.
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I wish you all love and profitable investments!!!
September 19, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
#12
Very interesting topic. Kept in my bookmarks.
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September 19, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
#11
You can't connect the dot looking forward; you can only connect them looking backward. ()
It is not only HYP to NOBL. It is also XMR to HYP. What I learnt with Monero, I try to use if for HyperStake. Some examples:

HyperStake account. Get generic accounts for ease of updating OP (like HyperStake for use by the core team and HyperStake-extended for use by the community management team, modeled after Monero and Monero-extended, respectively).

IRC matters. IRC is all too often downplayed. I was in Monero from day one, I saw how the activity rose on IRC. IRC is like meeting some buddies IRL and only after posting on forum - like after-party mentions on social networks. I wanted to emulate the same activity for HyperStake. I have to admit at the beginning I felt I was presomptuous to compare Monero and HyperStake. Fortunately, I was wrong Smiley.

Emulation works. Give some exclusives on IRC, so that people have an incentive for coming there. Have a tipbot, too. Promote new usages and creativeness. Be there and be kind, people want human contacts, we are not machine ("why I moved from Forex to crypto? Community" source). Dedramatise involvement; "fun" means "don't be afraid of trying". Finally and most importantly, be lazy: just bring the fun in and let the community do the work for you. The community has ideas of its own. That's how the lottery tipbot came to fruition - pure community.

By the way, you'll get a nice bonus by doing this.
Quote from: Eric Raymond The Cathedral and the Bazaar
Interestingly enough, you will quickly find that if you are completely and self-deprecatingly truthful about how much you owe other people, the world at large will treat you as though you did every bit of the invention yourself and are just being becomingly modest about your innate genius. We can all see how well this worked for Linus!"
(When I gave my talk at the first Perl Conference in August 1997, hacker extraordinaire Larry Wall was in the front row. As I got to the last line above he called out, religious-revival style, "Tell it, tell it, brother!". The whole audience laughed, because they knew this had worked for the inventor of Perl, too.) ()

At the time of writing, some other such inspirations are on the way. No, I won't tell you Smiley
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