I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why - page 3.

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Quote from: Cult on July 28, 2017, 10:41:38 AM

Quote from: hv_ on July 28, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?

So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...

They take it in their own hands

So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

Bitcoin is the world electronic internet of cash and about to be used by anybody, including the poor and the tech is there to do it right now!

So tell me a decent reason why it is protected by stupidity or agendas?

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Quote from: hv_ on July 28, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?

So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...

They take it in their own hands

So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 10:09:13 AM

Quote from: hv_ on July 28, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

i am going to give the same answer i gave to that throwaway account:
did you even read the topic! i doubt it.

and just FYI, i live in a third world country and compared to those imaginary Asians in your head is much poorer Wink

Sure, I did not say that there are not poorer regions.

I only say big number count. Asia has the biggest junk of poor people on earth.

No wonder that this is created there as a REACTION to rich-men shitty BScore politics full of hidden agendas and patents.

Eh?

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Quote from: naughty1 on July 28, 2017, 10:11:28 AM

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I think it will not fall, now it is carrying a very good value, I think it will have a stable step,...

you need to do some research before making statements like this.
first thing you missed is that for the past 5 to 6 days that it was listed on an exchange the price has fallen about -30%
and this is all happening while the fork has not yet happened, in other words people don't even have their free BCC tokens!

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BCC is such a disappointment. A bunch of petulant children are angry that they arent getting their way yet so they think they can change the whole scene at the snap of their fingers. I hope it crashes and burns to 0 with a bullet.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 12:31:39 AM

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

I just dont get one thing clear here that when everyone or atleast a majority agrees on BIP91 softfork and it is locked, then how it is possible that minority can still take their decision and start a hard fork. Will it impact the whole bitcoin or BCC will just be an altcoin ? Also if you see the price of BCC now at Viabtc (where is it available and exchanged), it has down by 50%, a 0.08 percent loss in its value, means people already rejecting BCC.

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Quote from: iram1011 on July 28, 2017, 10:03:37 AM

Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 12:31:39 AM

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

So does the most of the community. BCC is most probably be dumped after 1st August. The fork wasn't needed anytime soon specially when the majority was happily supporting Segwit.

I think it will not fall, now it is carrying a very good value, I think it will have a stable step, it will be like the bitcoin child, but it is just adopted child. It can not carry the power of bitcoin.

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Quote from: hv_ on July 28, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

i am going to give the same answer i gave to that throwaway account:
did you even read the topic! i doubt it.

and just FYI, i live in a third world country and compared to those imaginary Asians in your head is much poorer Wink

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Quote from: krishnapramod on July 28, 2017, 02:39:32 AM

1. The current Bitcoin protocol is Satoshi's vision and an increase in blocksize isn't against Satoshi's vision, but the question is, is it necessary at this point in time.

Prove.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 12:31:39 AM

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

So does the most of the community. BCC is most probably be dumped after 1st August. The fork wasn't needed anytime soon specially when the majority was happily supporting Segwit.

hv_

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Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?

So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...

They take it in their own hands

So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

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Quote from: spadormie on July 28, 2017, 12:41:42 AM

Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 12:31:39 AM

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

For me, I think that it is the perfect time for Nakamoto to show up to the world. And tell us that he is against this BCC, it is against on his work the bitcoin. Why they want to have a hard fork when they can refer to the original? The bitcoin. I am also against this actually. Our coins might be at high risk rather than bitcoin.

It is true that this is against Satoshi's reason why he made bitcoin. I don't know why they are keep on insisting this BCC thingy while bitcoin is perfectly working fine and it is better the way it is right now. There is no need for this kind of addition to bitcoin, we are contented that bitcoin is decentralized and don't have this BCC stuff.

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Quote from: davis196 on July 28, 2017, 01:00:09 AM

Why don`t Bitcoin Cash suporters create a brand new altcoin.(Somehting from scratch,like the OP said.)
They are using the name of Bitcoin to manipulate the newbies, who are not familiar with soft/hard forks.
Using the name "Bitcoin" gains some additional level of trust,which they don`t deserve.
Bitcoin Cash should be renamed to something different-Baitcoin,Betcoin or Batcoin...i don`t know. Grin

It is becoming a big shame that a group of people prefer to create some havoc on Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community simply because they do not fully agree with the decision of the majority. No wonder many people are calling this as an attack -- an attack against the real Bitcoin and the small BTC holders we have around.

And they are even appropriating the name Bitcoin to their altcoin which can debut into the market soon. I am personally supporting Bitcoincash. It would take a lot of convincing before I would go for BitcoinCash.

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Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 02:43:08 AM

Quote from: JohnMacaron on July 28, 2017, 02:27:49 AM

What are u talking about at all? Who needs bitcoin if u need to wait hours on end for confirmation< there'll be no idiots to wait in coffeeshop till morning while your artificially congested like bloody toilet pipe network will spit off something. Bitcoin is dying and segwit is compared to sticking leeches to dying kranke, while he agonizing his last hours.

and that still doesn't explain why you don't make something from scratch like the rest of normal human beings.

It's quite clear why they're not starting from scratch. It's because they want all Bitcoin holders to automatically have the opportunity to use their new coin if they want to spend with larger blocks.

I don't even think they'll succeed, but having that opportunity is not a problem. It's not comparable to Presidents because BTC is not a government, it's the people, and people do not all do the same thing regardless of what you would like them to do.

Did you make the same complaint about UASF?

Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 02:43:08 AM

those who support BCC were the spammers themselves...

There's no evidence or reasoning behind this at all. Tinfoil hat level stuff.

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I'm not a BCC supporter and don't promote them in any way, but does that mean that even if a majority rules something decentralized, the minority couldn't present their own ideas and let the community decide? I know, it's just a stripped-down implementation with much of its code being copied from SegWit, but what they're exercising is voicing out their opinions and plans in re: scaling issue for bitcoin.

But seriously, why go for BCC unless you have other agenda in mind?

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Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 12:31:39 AM

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

And we are going to vote again, this time by dumping their coin and buying bitcoin. Cheesy

If they want to give us free money, that's fine, but there may be no one to dump on...

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All I know is that I know nothing.

these Cash supporters are not only insulting everyone involved with bitcoin but also they are abusing the name or brand of bitcoin with their fork. and that is the answer to your question. because they want to abuse bitcoin's name otherwise it is obvious that the best course of action would have been to start a new chain from zero.

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Bitcoin Unlimited tried it and now Bitcoin Cash.
It seems like they are loving to use the name for a different purpose.
A high popularity bitcoin is being tried to be cloned and yet no one succeeded.
This will just have the same faith as how the BU ends up.
Trying to somehow pull some users is a good strategy. But they will be back.

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Quote from: BrewMaster on July 28, 2017, 02:57:36 AM

Quote from: JohnMacaron on July 28, 2017, 02:51:39 AM

Good points u've made here. Thank God we don't have any problems right now in our happy bitcoin realm. That's not like without any Ddos attacks we losing half of normal users who use bitcoin for their everyday purchases, right? It's not like only people who use bitcoin network right now are speculators and miners who process money from wallet to wallet in endless circle jerk without any actual implementation of Satoshi's ideas in real life. Bitcoin is dying, people defecting, we need drastic change or blown up price will go down the pipe anyway.

let me give you an example so maybe you understand your idiotic ways:
US presidential election was last year. Trump won based on majority support. many are not happy about it.
what you do is like 100 Americans deciding they don't want Trump, they want Mr. X as their president. They go build a new building beside White House and put Mr. X in it and start telling 323.1 million - 100 people that fuck you for being the majority and accepting Trump, this guy that we few support is the "American Vision".

lol good example

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My ways are righteous, i think about securing bitcoin positions to implement it in all aspects of our life in future. Right now people are abandoning this sinking shit, like rats. 1Mb block size is NOT acceptable in current state of things! And small-minded menschen like yourself obviously don't want bitcoin network to be thriving, so their making from it their milking cow and instead of going big their maliciously congesting bloodvessels of ecosystem to suck on sweet fees. DISGUSTING!

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