I am muslim, is there a problem? - page 2.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 03, 2018, 05:39:15 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 03, 2018, 10:36:19 AM

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on October 03, 2018, 10:05:21 AM

That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

The difference is that the the Koran/Hadiths instructions are for Muslims to go out and kill at certain time, under certain circumstances. And some of the instructions are to kill violently.

The Bible instructs no Christian to go out and kill, ever. The closest it might come is to allow Christians to protect their families and loved ones from those who are harming them.

That's a big difference.

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Leviticus 20:13, Do you want more quotes? I have created the whole thread about it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

You really are having your problems, aren't you. Look through that Bible passage you posted, and you will see that Christians are never mentioned in there at all!

Now we understand why you talk the way you do. You can't read... probably not comprehend.

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Did your God inspire the writers to write these verses in the Bible?

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Quote from: af_newbie on October 03, 2018, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 03, 2018, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on October 03, 2018, 10:05:21 AM

That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

The difference is that the the Koran/Hadiths instructions are for Muslims to go out and kill at certain time, under certain circumstances. And some of the instructions are to kill violently.

The Bible instructs no Christian to go out and kill, ever. The closest it might come is to allow Christians to protect their families and loved ones from those who are harming them.

That's a big difference.

Cool

Leviticus 20:13, Do you want more quotes? I have created the whole thread about it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

You really are having your problems, aren't you. Look through that Bible passage you posted, and you will see that Christians are never mentioned in there at all!

Now we understand why you talk the way you do. You can't read... probably not comprehend.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on October 03, 2018, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on October 03, 2018, 10:05:21 AM

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

You are so silly. You pick out one little Koran quote, and try to use it to denigrate the whole Bible. In doing so, you show that you are just the same as God... without His power and mercy and love, of course... and that you are against Him.

. I didn't pick out anything. I just 'snipped' the quote because I didn't need to quote it all. If anyone is being silly and picking quotes it's you. There's lot's of 'love your neighbor' type things in the Quran too. - What are you even talking about? The whole world is just like that. You can go to a Walmart and find soldiers who kill all over the Middle East at times, picking out loving birthday cards for their kids. If you want to know what is going on in religious books, you need to get into them and read them.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

The passage you show is Ezekiel 35:28. God is announcing how He will protect His people, Israel, against Edom. The Koran quote is telling Muslims to kill wantonly. Big difference.

And like the Quran there is also a lot of rubbish about god being a dick and wantonly murdering people or even commanding people to murder. There really is not much difference between either book. - Again, you are making a big mistake between the religions. The basic difference is that Allah requires perfection, and judges people based on how well they did their job of maintaining perfection.

God of the Bible sent His Son as a sacrifice for all the imperfection of mankind. The only requirement is to accept the sacrifice.

However, you have your property. You are allowed to use your property as you wish... or even destroy it if you want. God owns everything. So He has the absolute right to do with it all as He wishes. He is very patient with you when you talk against Him.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

Quote from: dee_x17 on September 28, 2018, 08:42:25 AM

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

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That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

The difference is that the the Koran/Hadiths instructions are for Muslims to go out and kill at certain time, under certain circumstances. And some of the instructions are to kill violently.

The Bible instructs no Christian to go out and kill, ever. The closest it might come is to allow Christians to protect their families and loved ones from those who are harming them.

That's a big difference.

Cool

Leviticus 20:13, Do you want more quotes? I have created the whole thread about it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on October 03, 2018, 10:05:21 AM

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

You are so silly. You pick out one little Koran quote, and try to use it to denigrate the whole Bible. In doing so, you show that you are just the same as God... without His power and mercy and love, of course... and that you are against Him.

. I didn't pick out anything. I just 'snipped' the quote because I didn't need to quote it all. If anyone is being silly and picking quotes it's you. There's lot's of 'love your neighbor' type things in the Quran too. - What are you even talking about? The whole world is just like that. You can go to a Walmart and find soldiers who kill all over the Middle East at times, picking out loving birthday cards for their kids. If you want to know what is going on in religious books, you need to get into them and read them.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

The passage you show is Ezekiel 35:28. God is announcing how He will protect His people, Israel, against Edom. The Koran quote is telling Muslims to kill wantonly. Big difference.

And like the Quran there is also a lot of rubbish about god being a dick and wantonly murdering people or even commanding people to murder. There really is not much difference between either book. - Again, you are making a big mistake between the religions. The basic difference is that Allah requires perfection, and judges people based on how well they did their job of maintaining perfection.

God of the Bible sent His Son as a sacrifice for all the imperfection of mankind. The only requirement is to accept the sacrifice.

However, you have your property. You are allowed to use your property as you wish... or even destroy it if you want. God owns everything. So He has the absolute right to do with it all as He wishes. He is very patient with you when you talk against Him.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

Quote from: dee_x17 on September 28, 2018, 08:42:25 AM

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

Cool

That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

The difference is that the the Koran/Hadiths instructions are for Muslims to go out and kill at certain time, under certain circumstances. And some of the instructions are to kill violently.

The Bible instructs no Christian to go out and kill, ever. The closest it might come is to allow Christians to protect their families and loved ones from those who are harming them.

That's a big difference.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

You are so silly. You pick out one little Koran quote, and try to use it to denigrate the whole Bible. In doing so, you show that you are just the same as God... without His power and mercy and love, of course... and that you are against Him.

. I didn't pick out anything. I just 'snipped' the quote because I didn't need to quote it all. If anyone is being silly and picking quotes it's you. There's lot's of 'love your neighbor' type things in the Quran too.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:14:32 AM

The passage you show is Ezekiel 35:28. God is announcing how He will protect His people, Israel, against Edom. The Koran quote is telling Muslims to kill wantonly. Big difference.

And like the Quran there is also a lot of rubbish about god being a dick and wantonly murdering people or even commanding people to murder. There really is not much difference between either book.

Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

Quote from: dee_x17 on September 28, 2018, 08:42:25 AM

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

Cool

That's like saying you're not a good Christian if you don't murder people for all the things that are punishable by death according to the bible. How many people have you stoned to death for things like working on Sundays, blaspheming or being gay? If people followed the bible literally then they'd be in jail. Neither the bible or Quran are compatible with modern day values and absolutely cannot be taken literally.

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Are you a Muslim? If you are, you are one of 3 things:
1. An extremely weak Muslim who doesn't know, or doesn't agree with, the terrorism directives of his religion - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm;
2. A terrorist, directly;
3. A Muslim who lives among other Muslims and has peace, because he doesn't have to deal with non-Muslims.

That's it. Read your Koran.

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The problem is not you my brother.
The world has been socialized by the media houses, newspapers,news agencies and websites on a generalization of the extreme acts of some bad people of the Islamic religion to saying that all people associated with the religion in any form hold or share similar extremist beliefs and values of the the small section of Islamic extremists.
You for one as a Muslim who may not share a similar extremist belief,has a role to play in disabusing the the media polluted-minds of the world who see no good in Muslims by living and sharing the love the religion teaches. This will make the world see you as a Muslim of difference, different from the media narrative propagated world wide

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I absolutely do not think that there is a problem if someone whom I encountered with is a muslim. It is because, when provoked, only the humans can do not-so-good stuff, thus, the problem is not about religion but the people instead. And eventhough people are not muslims, I don't think that people who are not muslim were guarantee wilk give you no problem. To wrap it up, what I am trying to deliver is that we should not be biased and believe easily onto the things you have read and not yet confirmed especially when it comes to news about muslims. It is because some news were sensationalized thus some news were exagerated. Therefore, we must not treat them differently not treat them like there is a problem.

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Quote from: yascrypto94 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:51 PM

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Just actively denounce extremists and be vocal about it so as not to associate yourself with them. I think the hatred stems from people not knowing your viewpoint about the subject. If someone tells you how much they hate muslims because they are terrorists, tell them you hate them even more because they give you a bad name and you are not a terrorist.

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I think this the racism toward Muslim comes a lot from how medias portrayed them. There are a lot of extremelist that are Christian, or other religion too, but imo they are much fewer in number, so they don't cause that much of a hate as Muslim. What can you do about it ? Probably not much by yourself, learn how to live with it, and accept it. It's a serious matter, and by no mean easy to tackle by oneself. What you should do though ? Strive for the better. I'm sure if everyone at the very least has the will to live better, or change for the better, the image of Muslim will slowly, but steadily, improve. Best of luck pals

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Quote from: eddie13 on October 01, 2018, 09:00:39 PM

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Their is constant christian blasphemy in "christian" countries, but muslims go all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

They just can't seem to comprehend western values of liberty such as freedom of speech..

Yes they can comprehend and appreciate these values.

It is in fact part of the reason they are eager to leave such repressive cultures and come to the west.

But there are some that just don't "get it."

Most Muslims didn't do a thing about Charlie Hebro. But a few did, and they did a massacre. Why? What was different with those few?

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Here is a problem..

Quote from: manjiLocked on October 01, 2018, 01:00:55 PM

Quote from: bluefirecorp_ on October 01, 2018, 12:27:48 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I am not offended if he speaks for my personality but if he talks about the Qur'an and Muhammad S.A.W. I am very offended.

anyone who has an Islamic religion is not offended by the insult to the Qur'an and Muhammad S.A.W means that his faith is doubtful.

Muhammad's a kiddie fiddler and therefore a pedophile. Your silly book is filled with false rumors, and should be categorized in the fiction section.

If Muhammad were alive today, he'd be thrown in jail for the shit he did. He's a bad person, yet you worship him as though he's a great man. Silly, ignorant peasant.

Overall, freedom of speech won't be limited by your nation's silly blasphemy laws.

talk to my ass
damn infidel

Quote from: hilariousetc on October 01, 2018, 12:30:28 PM

If your faith is so strong why do you even care about insults to them? Surely Mohammed and Allah will take care of the insults at a later date and you don't need to worry about anything. Just ignore it, especially if it's something that is only going to annoy or enrage you because people will see that and just attack you more, like the idiot above.

I really appreciate you.

but in my religion, that's the condition of faith if the Qur'an and MUHAMMAD S.A.W were insulted then we as Muslims will not be angry if their personalities are attacked but when it comes to the Qur'an and MUHAMMAD S.A.W the lives are willing to be sacrified.

as a form appreciation to you, this's my last comment. I hope you can lock this thread as your form of wisdom.

thank's

I don't know any christian that would come to this for blaspheming Christianity..

Their is constant christian blasphemy in "christian" countries, but muslims go all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

They just can't seem to comprehend western values of liberty such as freedom of speech..

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Yes, and even, they are like have forgotten all the history of other religions, and focus on Islam only, unfortunately

islam is actually a nice religion,

but it was a painful process the wars in afghanistan/middle east to get muslims to want to develop and run their countries, getting them out of poverty.

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to me such a question cant actually have a correct answer!! i have tried to always see everyone not with the eye of what he chooses to worship or believe in but at the point we communicating what the individual reflects!!

High Population where born into the religion!! we are made to believe in the system!!
Muslim is said to be a religion of peace but some groups have acted differently showing they cant accept living in peace
so if you ask a family member who lost a soul to a terrorist attack your question? the answer you should be expecting might be different
or if you ask some In Boko Haram region where they kidnap little girls from secondary schools who cant defend themselves i dont know what the parents response will be
so many cases round the world of chaos caused by the religion you mentioned so i dont know what to actually say

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Quote from: yascrypto94 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:51 PM

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

There is really not a problem but the media and the tv always shown Muslims in a negative way. Christians has a bad history also like torturing people or kill them just to force them to accept their religion but the media shows it like it's just the minority of what really happened. While in Muslim, they higlight the terrorism and head cutting that affects the entirety of Muslims.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 29, 2018, 06:00:47 PM

Quote from: Wananavu99 on September 29, 2018, 12:49:41 PM

, I think I would change the words of the Sufi poet and philosopher Rumi to "When you let go of who you are, when you find who you really are, this is when you will find the Divine and beauty in all".

I was raised by a Christian mother and a Muslim dad, I have learned from both philosophies and religions. I can't say I adhere to both or to one and not to the other, I've found my own path and I call it the "path of the Individual". For I truly believe in the Individual and not the so called Collective mindset, look at what Collectivism is doing to our world. It is destroying the fabric of society because of "group think" and the focus on centralizing power in Governments, Businesses etc is a danger to individual freedoms.

Sounds to me like you are trying to find out what you really think deep down inside, by blocking out, for a while, the noise that comes in from the outside.

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Ain't that the truth Wink

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Quote from: Shewar on September 30, 2018, 12:53:02 PM

in essence we are all the same even though we are different in religion, everyone has two characters, 1. good and 1. evil. everyone has a different personality, there are people who have liver diseases such as jealousy and envy, people like that who can become provocateurs in the midst of religious people and humans. because such people are not happy to see other people or other religions develop more advanced

I totally agree with you, we are all humans

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Quote from: yascrypto94 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:51 PM

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

I am a Muslim and I am not the problem. All around I see a siege being laid for the Muslims of this country. Government, TV media, social media – everywhere there is a cacophony around the Muslims.

This cacophony is the problem. I am not the problem.

Hate is being mainstreamed by the very people responsible to maintain harmony, to bridge divides.

This hate is the problem. I am not the problem.

Everywhere you go, where there's a lot of immigirants, the locals dislike them
It's not about being Muslim, it's about being n immigrant and taking over someone elses land
I'm not even talking about people of different nationalities or religions
People of the same nationality and religion are hated upon if they move in big numbers to a certain territory
The locals dislike them, because they're threatened

The most common name given to a baby in London is Mohammad, that says enough.

there is no problem with immigrants if immigration is well managed, immigrants also make countries richer, much much richer, there are countless examples for that

usa, europe, gulf states, australia, latin america, russia etc.

When migrants assimilate, no one is against them (mostly), but when there is mass immigration in which they create ghettos, hang out only with their own countryman and create basically a seperate society in your country, dislike the host, that forms a problem.

If we import all of Africa to Europe, we're going to become Africa, and the Africans won't have a place to come to anymore, since our culture, which created this prosperity will be replaced by the newcomers culture which has failed to produce prosperity in their own countries.

In order to prosper from immigration it would be necessary for the migrants to adopt to our culture instead of maintaining the same culture that made them leave their country.

jes but its also not acceptable to abuse migrants as money earning cattle and demand assimilation from them,

its actually even against the constitution in germany (GG) as far as i now.

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in essence we are all the same even though we are different in religion, everyone has two characters, 1. good and 1. evil. everyone has a different personality, there are people who have liver diseases such as jealousy and envy, people like that who can become provocateurs in the midst of religious people and humans. because such people are not happy to see other people or other religions develop more advanced

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Quote from: Wananavu99 on September 29, 2018, 12:49:41 PM

, I think I would change the words of the Sufi poet and philosopher Rumi to "When you let go of who you are, when you find who you really are, this is when you will find the Divine and beauty in all".

I was raised by a Christian mother and a Muslim dad, I have learned from both philosophies and religions. I can't say I adhere to both or to one and not to the other, I've found my own path and I call it the "path of the Individual". For I truly believe in the Individual and not the so called Collective mindset, look at what Collectivism is doing to our world. It is destroying the fabric of society because of "group think" and the focus on centralizing power in Governments, Businesses etc is a danger to individual freedoms.

Sounds to me like you are trying to find out what you really think deep down inside, by blocking out, for a while, the noise that comes in from the outside.

Cool

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