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Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 07:28:25 PM

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Quote from: Foxpup on September 25, 2018, 11:16:26 PM

The problem is that BADecker's astounding level of ignorance is really not that unusual among Christians. Most Christians don't even understand their own religion, much less the history of Wahhabism. Hell, most of them probably can't even explain the difference between Sunni and Shia. It's really quite extraordinary, and would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Undecided

Then there's Ahmaddiya Islam, heck even the Druze religion can be classified as a branch from Islam. There are so many branches, perhaps not as many as Christianity, but there's still a lot that many people don't even realize. My dad's family is from Afghanistan and he would compare these different sects all the time.

But for me - I love Sufism because it speaks to my soul.

"When you let go of who you are, you become who you might be." - Rumi

Salam to all!

You are talking about school all over America.

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, I think I would change the words of the Sufi poet and philosopher Rumi to "When you let go of who you are, when you find who you really are, this is when you will find the Divine and beauty in all".

I was raised by a Christian mother and a Muslim dad, I have learned from both philosophies and religions. I can't say I adhere to both or to one and not to the other, I've found my own path and I call it the "path of the Individual". For I truly believe in the Individual and not the so called Collective mindset, look at what Collectivism is doing to our world. It is destroying the fabric of society because of "group think" and the focus on centralizing power in Governments, Businesses etc is a danger to individual freedoms.

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Quote from: Wananavu99 on September 28, 2018, 07:19:05 PM

Quote from: Foxpup on September 25, 2018, 11:16:26 PM

The problem is that BADecker's astounding level of ignorance is really not that unusual among Christians. Most Christians don't even understand their own religion, much less the history of Wahhabism. Hell, most of them probably can't even explain the difference between Sunni and Shia. It's really quite extraordinary, and would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Undecided

Then there's Ahmaddiya Islam, heck even the Druze religion can be classified as a branch from Islam. There are so many branches, perhaps not as many as Christianity, but there's still a lot that many people don't even realize. My dad's family is from Afghanistan and he would compare these different sects all the time.

But for me - I love Sufism because it speaks to my soul.

"When you let go of who you are, you become who you might be." - Rumi

Salam to all!

You are talking about school all over America.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 28, 2018, 03:18:28 PM

Quote from: Crypto_topic on September 28, 2018, 01:57:38 PM

I also do not understand that how it is compatible with values now? Though I agree with the fact that the values has changed a LOT this days.

None of the Abrahamic religions are compatible with modern values. They all condone violence, assault, murder, genocide, rape, prostitution and slavery to varying degrees. It's one of the most obvious arguments against people who think you can't be moral without religion. If we all behaved by these religious "morals", society would collapse overnight. The fact that we now outlaw slavery, rape and murder, is proof that not only does secular morality exist, but in fact almost everyone, including the majority of religious people, choose secular morals over religions ones.

You simply don't understand their culture.

We have:
genocide - Yemen;
violence, assault, murder - Chicago;
rape, prostitution - all over America;
slavery - taxation.

In their culture, they did it a different way. God let them live, just like He lets us live. Why does He let us live? Because He knows He would essentially have to destroy us all if He applied His perfection to us. This way He gets some people who are on His side, in favor of Him... just like He got some people way back when the holy books were written.

If you study the holy books, and apply the moral law understanding you get from studying, you will see that there is a lot of good moral law that is as good as is our in those books. But the Bible moral law is the best. Why? It offers the most freedom at the same time it protects, morally.

Btw, the Bible is against slavery that is forced slavery, like kidnapping people to sell them as slaves. Voluntary slavery, where someone sold himself into indentured servitude for a time, was voluntary slavery. You have no right to take away the freedom of someone to contract into such a form of slavery.

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Quote from: Foxpup on September 25, 2018, 11:16:26 PM

The problem is that BADecker's astounding level of ignorance is really not that unusual among Christians. Most Christians don't even understand their own religion, much less the history of Wahhabism. Hell, most of them probably can't even explain the difference between Sunni and Shia. It's really quite extraordinary, and would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Undecided

Then there's Ahmaddiya Islam, heck even the Druze religion can be classified as a branch from Islam. There are so many branches, perhaps not as many as Christianity, but there's still a lot that many people don't even realize. My dad's family is from Afghanistan and he would compare these different sects all the time.

But for me - I love Sufism because it speaks to my soul.

"When you let go of who you are, you become who you might be." - Rumi

Salam to all!

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Quote from: Crypto_topic on September 28, 2018, 01:57:38 PM

I also do not understand that how it is compatible with values now? Though I agree with the fact that the values has changed a LOT this days.

None of the Abrahamic religions are compatible with modern values. They all condone violence, assault, murder, genocide, rape, prostitution and slavery to varying degrees. It's one of the most obvious arguments against people who think you can't be moral without religion. If we all behaved by these religious "morals", society would collapse overnight. The fact that we now outlaw slavery, rape and murder, is proof that not only does secular morality exist, but in fact almost everyone, including the majority of religious people, choose secular morals over religions ones.

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2018, 02:39:38 PM

Quote from: arafat222 on September 27, 2018, 02:20:18 PM

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Islam ...in my opinion is compatible with 21st century values.
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How is that possible?

I also do not understand that how it is compatible with values now? Though I agree with the fact that the values has changed a LOT this days.

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Quote from: SkyFlakes on September 26, 2018, 12:54:13 AM

I think, the problem is not with the muslim people but those who created such idea that a muslim is always a terrorist. The people around them were the problem. But we could not blame those people at some point as they are just concern with their safety. But if it will go beyond that, then there's a problem that would arise. Let's keep in mind that yes some muslims are terrorist but there are also other terrorist of other religion or race, and also that it should not cover the idea that good muslims also exist.

Exactly, it is the way of propaganda. Muslim=terrorist=avoid=report to police if something wrong.
Something like putting into peoples mind that behaviour.

Its not about Islam, its about people that creates that so called "truth". I used to live among muslims a lot, all of them were kind, helpful, very religious people, and always invites us for having a meal for special occasions. The hospitality I fell was one of the major thing.

I personally do not understand the hate towards muslims.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 28, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

Quote from: dee_x17 on September 28, 2018, 08:42:25 AM

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

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I say you clean up the Bible first. Be an example for others to follow.

If you can change, they can change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDvmV4zr-Q

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Quote from: dee_x17 on September 28, 2018, 08:42:25 AM

There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

Standard good Muslims are not Islamic. They should change their religion by rewriting the Koran, removing all the directives to do violence. If they did that, they might be a little closer to being Muslims. As it is, they don't know what being a Muslim is all about... not according to ancient Islamic writings, that is.

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on September 28, 2018, 06:08:20 AM

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.

Quote from: BADecker on September 25, 2018, 10:02:24 PM

Yes, it is those things. But it is the written religion as well. From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Quote from: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

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Jesus Christ, you're such a hypocrite. The bible says essentially the exact same things and arguably even worse:

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I will fill your mountains with the slain; those killed by the sword will fall on your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines. I will make you desolate forever; your towns will not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

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The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

- Richard Dawkins

I could go on but I can't be bothered and you won't pay attention anyway, but you can find more here http://www.evilbible.com/

You are so silly. You pick out one little Koran quote, and try to use it to denigrate the whole Bible. In doing so, you show that you are just the same as God... without His power and mercy and love, of course... and that you are against Him.

The passage you show is Ezekiel 35:28. God is announcing how He will protect His people, Israel, against Edom. The Koran quote is telling Muslims to kill wantonly. Big difference.

Regarding Dawkins, simply look at multitudes of court records to find that we do all of the same, bad things that are written in the Bible. The idea of court is to correct the bad things. That's why you find judgments in the court records... corrections for the bad things listed. That is what the Bible is all about, but on a much larger scale than any man-made court. God correcting the bad of mankind.

You and Dawkins absolutely show wickedness, and your deceitful ignorance.

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I think there is no problem of you being a Muslim or any other religion what so ever. everybody believe in some sort of things anyways being spiritual or not. But I think people should keep their faith for themselves no matter what and I think faith being faith in itself means you just believe that it is there/possible you haven't seen/touched it.

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There's no problem being a muslim, the problem was some radikalism people are muslim and bring they religion into a bad attitude, like some Haram stuff (not about dog and pork), here in indonesia the Indonesian Council of Ulama said Bitcoin is Haram, WTF dude??
And some people accidentaly are muslim too use the religion for politics, black campaign, etc.
As long u didn't bother other people, i think its okay mate Wink

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Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on September 28, 2018, 06:08:20 AM

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.

Well, this might be true for people who believe in other religions. Most Atheists think Islam's ideology is a hogwash. Which it is.

We feel sorry for the people who are under its control.

Here is a take on this religion from an Arab who grew up with it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG64EUUxOj4&feature=youtu.be

The religions are nonsense, and they should be ridiculed, no matter if someone gets offended.

If you feel offended, well, too bad, grow up.

This particular religion makes people do some crazy stuff, like kill themselves and hurt others. If you deny this, YOU have a problem.

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Quote from: Spendulus on September 27, 2018, 06:38:07 PM

Also the percentage of Muslims that contribute money to or actively support terrorist groups in certain countries is well above 50%.

I seriously doubt that... do you have a link/source to support such an outrageous claim that "well above 50% of Muslims contribute money to support terrorists"?!?

Since guybrushthreepwood said it so eloquently, I will just copy his reply here

Quote from: guybrushthreepwood on September 28, 2018, 06:08:20 AM

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.

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Quote from: yascrypto94 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:51 PM

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

Well the problem is people's ignorance and xenophobia and there's little you can do about that unfortunately. Just know that the root of such Islamophobia (or racism dressed up as a dislike of religion) is misplaced hatred. Deep down they hate themselves and need somebody else to blame for their failings in life so they blame people who are different to them such as foreigners or people with a different viewpoint or religious belief. They're usually too stupid to look in the mirror and realize the only person they should be blaming is themselves, but that's ignorance for you. I hear it's bliss.

Quote from: BADecker on September 25, 2018, 10:02:24 PM

Yes, it is those things. But it is the written religion as well. From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Quote from: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

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Jesus Christ, you're such a hypocrite. The bible says essentially the exact same things and arguably even worse:

Quote from: arafat222 on September 27, 2018, 02:20:18 PM

In my opinion there is a serious problem with Muslims not islam.

Islam was meant to be a religion for all ages and in my opinion is compatible with 21st century values.

The real problem lies in Muslims themselves

Probably all religions created thousands of years ago are incompatible with today's standards. If all Christians and Muslims followed the bible and quran literally then there would be beheadings and stonings in the street every day by both parties. Most Muslims don't care about Jihandism and just get on with their lives in peace, much like most Christians do and they don't want to stone homosexuals to death and kill their own children just for disrespecting them.

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Quote from: yascrypto94 on September 25, 2018, 07:40:51 PM

Hello;

Please I want to discuss a very important topic, it's about the relation between Islam and extremism.

I Don't know why people are still believing that all muslims are terrorists, or extremists, I know that the majority of Muslim countries suffers from lack of democracy, but people and youth in these countries know crypto, use Facebook, Twitter, Telegram, Instagram… etc. listen to music, have boy or girlfriend, etc.

I personally suffer from those haters especially when I travel.

So, Where is the problem? I Don't know?

The main problem of Muslims in stupid people who do not want to improve and live the last day.

It's like a Catholic church refusing to admit that the earth is round until a certain point.

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I believe the international media are responsible for creating this bad impression about Muslims or Islam in minds of people. I used to assume the same mindset that all Muslims are terrorists but upon further research and readings, I have been able to dissolve such thoughts. We need more Muslims to speak up since Islam is all about peace.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 27, 2018, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: NotoriousHodler on September 27, 2018, 05:32:26 PM

Not all muslim are terrorists, but MANY of terrorist are muslim.

That's just not true.

Only 6% of terrorist attacks in the US are carried out by Muslims. That number is only 2% in Europe. Even if every terror attack anywhere the world at any point in the last 50 years was committed by a Muslim, that would still be less than a hundredth of a hundredth of one percent of all Muslims.

You should be scared of far right, white males. They are statistically the most likely to kill you.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000

That's really not true, but it's not fake news. It is just a rather complicated subject.

Interesting article on that assertion in Snopes.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/06/07/threat-extremists-more/

Also the percentage of Muslims that contribute money to or actively support terrorist groups in certain countries is well above 50%. But note that they may actively support terrorist groups aligned against their own government, not necessarily westerners.

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Quote from: NotoriousHodler on September 27, 2018, 05:32:26 PM

Not all muslim are terrorists, but MANY of terrorist are muslim.

That's just not true.

Only 6% of terrorist attacks in the US are carried out by Muslims. That number is only 2% in Europe. Even if every terror attack anywhere the world at any point in the last 50 years was committed by a Muslim, that would still be less than a hundredth of a hundredth of one percent of all Muslims.

You should be scared of far right, white males. They are statistically the most likely to kill you.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000

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Not all muslim are terrorists, but MANY of terrorist are muslim. I think that's a problem, actually. People become biased if same thing keeps happening. I don't feel any hate towards you, but subconsciously i look out, when i see women in burkas or men with beards of Eastern-Asian origin.

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