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legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Sounds like fun.  Smiley
You would need to talk Satoshi into some major changes, since back then only a "few million" BTC existed.

Bitcoin mining became competitive only during the early 2013. You can go back to 2009, stack up all the mining rigs and possess 90% of the total hash power. By 2013 January, you will be in the possession of 10 million+ coins.  Grin

You could also be the one to buy Gox from the founder and completely change BTC history for the better.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Sounds like fun.  Smiley
You would need to talk Satoshi into some major changes, since back then only a "few million" BTC existed.

Bitcoin mining became competitive only during the early 2013. You can go back to 2009, stack up all the mining rigs and possess 90% of the total hash power. By 2013 January, you will be in the possession of 10 million+ coins.  Grin

I believe that you need to be careful NOT to do anything so radical that you would change the course of history.. b/c then history may NOT play out in the way you expect, and then the journey would be for naught.

I think you could probably quietly accumulate several thousands of bitcoins and even several millions of dollars of fiat without making any major alterations of history...   Though innevitably some of the history is going to change b/c of your knowledge and then your actions.. but by the time that it changes, hopefully you would be in a good position.. to kick back and play whatever role you envision yourself within.
legendary
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Sounds like fun.  Smiley
You would need to talk Satoshi into some major changes, since back then only a "few million" BTC existed.

Bitcoin mining became competitive only during the early 2013. You can go back to 2009, stack up all the mining rigs and possess 90% of the total hash power. By 2013 January, you will be in the possession of 10 million+ coins.  Grin
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Great point:
One customer only and the price will need to be much higher.  Cheesy

Why don't do some bidding / auctioning which is overseen by this forum? I expect the bid to reach millions of BTC, as the winner can gather as much as 12.5 million Bitcoins!

Sounds like fun.  Smiley
You would need to talk Satoshi into some major changes, since back then only a "few million" BTC existed.
legendary
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Great point:
One customer only and the price will need to be much higher.  Cheesy

Why don't do some bidding / auctioning which is overseen by this forum? I expect the bid to reach millions of BTC, as the winner can gather as much as 12.5 million Bitcoins!
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.

That makes no sense. Everyone would like to do the same thing by paying 3 BTC. Then what is the use, if all the Bitcoins you amass after going back to the 2009 is only going to last till the next customer makes use of the same facility?

Great point:
One customer only and the price will need to be much higher.  Cheesy

Yeah.. double the price, and I am o.k. with any date that you could arrange in 2010.. that's fine...  even if I have to travel back in my old body.. would be nice to get the extra bonus of shaving a few years off my age, as well.   

You sound a little inexperienced with these time travel matters.  Are there any guarantees that I would arrive in one piece and arrive on the anticipated requested date?  And, I guess that is why it may be better to pay after arriving rather than being sent on the journey and not knowing whether I would get what paid for.

If you accidentally send me back to October 2013, I probably could do pretty well with that date, too, and it would be well worth the 6 BTC.  I would just have to hold back keeping my mouth shut about all the things that I know.. It would probably screw up history.. but what da fuck..   

One thing is that I would NOT want to get back to whatever date that i am being sent, and find that there are two of me b/c I may have troubles trying to convince that other me about our strategy.  He's a bit skeptical of things.

Thanks, for your inquiry regarding Satoshi Time Tours, Inc.
I've been online too long and don't have a worthy response.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.

That makes no sense. Everyone would like to do the same thing by paying 3 BTC. Then what is the use, if all the Bitcoins you amass after going back to the 2009 is only going to last till the next customer makes use of the same facility?

Great point:
One customer only and the price will need to be much higher.  Cheesy

Yeah.. double the price, and I am o.k. with any date that you could arrange in 2010.. that's fine...  even if I have to travel back in my old body.. would be nice to get the extra bonus of shaving a few years off my age, as well.   

You sound a little inexperienced with these time travel matters.  Are there any guarantees that I would arrive in one piece and arrive on the anticipated requested date?  And, I guess that is why it may be better to pay after arriving rather than being sent on the journey and not knowing whether I would get what paid for.

If you accidentally send me back to October 2013, I probably could do pretty well with that date, too, and it would be well worth the 6 BTC.  I would just have to hold back keeping my mouth shut about all the things that I know.. It would probably screw up history.. but what da fuck..   

One thing is that I would NOT want to get back to whatever date that i am being sent, and find that there are two of me b/c I may have troubles trying to convince that other me about our strategy.  He's a bit skeptical of things.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.

That makes no sense. Everyone would like to do the same thing by paying 3 BTC. Then what is the use, if all the Bitcoins you amass after going back to the 2009 is only going to last till the next customer makes use of the same facility?

Great point:
One customer only and the price will need to be much higher.  Cheesy
legendary
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Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.

That makes no sense. Everyone would like to do the same thing by paying 3 BTC. Then what is the use, if all the Bitcoins you amass after going back to the 2009 is only going to last till the next customer makes use of the same facility?
legendary
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Is that....Mark Karpelès?

Probably not.  Cheesy
It's from the last Star Trek TV series.
Star Trek: Enterprise
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Is that....Mark Karpelès?
legendary
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Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.

OK
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They said it might take a while.  Tongue

legendary
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Wow, what a trip reading those old posts from 2011 at the beginning of this thread.

Wish I had a time machine  Smiley

Time machine?
Your journey only will cost 0.5 BTC if I choose the year and 3 BTC if you choose the year.
Are you ready?  Cheesy



Okay 3 BTC for a trip to 2009 it is? I'll pay first (chronologically), I'll do it immediately when I arrive in 2009 after I have acquired a gigantic amount of Bitcoins.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Wow, what a trip reading those old posts from 2011 at the beginning of this thread.

Wish I had a time machine  Smiley

Time machine?
Your journey only will cost 0.5 BTC if I choose the year, or 3 BTC if you choose the year.
Are you ready?  Cheesy

member
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Wow, what a trip reading those old posts from 2011 at the beginning of this thread.

Wish I had a time machine  Smiley
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
my ta says taht btc will be at 600$ in 2 months.

I think that there is a lot of pent up demand for BTC and accordingly, the price will likely get to $600 sooner...  However, there are quite a few uncertainties in the space, too... that could explain why it could take a couple months to return to $600. 
newbie
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my ta says taht btc will be at 600$ in 2 months.
legendary
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I read through this whole thread in the last week, and I had been thinking about making a post here.  Accordingly, I am glad that the thread was revived in recent days.

OP's original aspiration of $10K per BTC seems very reachable in the coming year or two, but maybe in the last few days some of our hopes concerning how rapidly the BTC prices are going to get to anywhere near that point have been dashed, somewhat.

Nonetheless, there seems to be so much news on the sidelines concerning a large number of wallstreet type investors who are looking to get into bitcoin.  Surely some of these investment guys are buying on the side, and even Second Market claims to have accumulated over 100,000 bitcoins.  Nothing like the supposedly 650,000-ish that disappeared from Gox, but a good start.  

Part of the current discussion, also is that so many holders do NOT put their BTC into circulation, and accordingly, the BTC market may NOT be liquid enough to accommodate a large amount of capital into the space.  Let's say if currently only between 1 and 2 million BTC are in circulation, then if any real good size investor coming into the space would cause prices to double or triple, almost immediately.... which even though as I type BTC prices have been floating between $410 and $430, we all probably realize a fair current value would be between $750 and $850, and with any decent size investor(s) jumping into the space, we easily get to $1600 or $2400 per BTC.  That woudl provide only a $20 to $30 Billion market cap, and easily 3-4 times of that would then be the next stage of around $10K per BTC.  That $10K per BTC seems very reachable in the next 2 years.

Surely we have quite a bit of speculation where the price will go, and when it will get there b/c I would like to join the elite, as well.  

I am NOT that great at trading, and I started buying in November 2013 (not a great time to buy), but I have acquired about 55BTC. at an average price of about $620.  I would like to be in the black, but still in the red, and at the moment, I am running out of extra fiat to pump in... so I may NOT be able to accumulate too many more BTC in the near future.

In order to maintain being an elite - one has to be able to hold that stash to the side and NOT to spend into it.  Surely early adopters have stashes nearing 1000 BTC and better, and maybe these dips will allow investors to approach that arena.  I am hoping that BTC prices will rise rapidly enough that I can begin to live off of my 55BTC... but that would probably require an ability to hold off and for BTC prices to reach at least $20K per BTC in the next 3-4 years... which may be possible. I also may be able to increase my BTC holdings a bit, so accumulating between 50 and 100BTC may allow me to become a baby elite until the price may go up even further than the $20k range.

That is if someone like Gox does NOT steal my coins...

But yes, right now floating around in the $420 territory - seems like a long way off into the future to get into the elite status prices.


Your "average price is about $620", were you able to buy any at all below $420 for example?
Obviously your main idea is to buy and hold until prices are much higher.
Since you are running low on fiat, you could sell a small amount on rallies (even @ ~$440 for example), and buy back for profits as low as 5 to 10%. That doesn't sound exciting, but the repeated profits add up fast.

Good luck with your exciting journey.

Thanks for the feedback. 
I was able to buy some BTC below $420 – but actually I had some banking issues when BTC prices were dropping below $420, and my deposits did NOT come in to my bank on time to be able to buy very much during the below $400 period.  I also realized that I did NOT have too much more fiat that I could budget into BTC purchases. 

More or less, here are my BTC buying  increments over the last two months:

590.70
668.80
595.00
606.16
592.37
569.61
537.20
576.00
545.55
524.00
484.02
462.61
462.99
455.56
408.64

520.00
580.00
678.85
653.00

610.00
623.50
604.08
585.50
550.19
581.93
566.12
517.03
485.92
525.48
482.53
452.70
446.44
476.00
439.82

428.68
418.60
456.35
453.61
444.93
427.50
412.00
341.19
406.26
394.59
440.89


This buying looks a bit crazy, and yes, it would have been nice to have had sufficient patience and to have waited out BTC purchases for BTC prices to drop.  But each of my buying increments were below my then buy-in average price and dropped my buy in average.  Yes, it would have been much better to have waited until $300s or $400s to buy, but I did NOT know that the price would go down further, and I had wanted to stock up a bit, just in case the price went up rather than down.

Regarding trading:  Frequently, I screw up when I attempt to trade, but I am NOT opposed to cashing out some BTC if we were to have a good and decent run up on prices (even though there still can be problems timing selling at or near the top very well and then questioning when to buy again).  I would prefer to get into the black first before I begin to trade very much, if possible.



legendary
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$5000 per BTC could still happen this year.  On days like today it does seem really hard to believe though. Wink

At the same time Bitcoin has breached the support level at $400, and is sliding rapidly towards $300. Now what $200... $100? Anything seems possible. I am holding out still.  Sad

Currently on a pace to be above $400 by tomorrow.
Will it really happen?

Holding pretty strong above $400 today Smiley

What is more shocking than the price dropping quickly is how fast it can rise!  I am actually really comfortable with the price being around $400.  That is a great base to begin another "bubble."  Smiley  I have a feeling the next rise will be very impressive.

Good point! In the 7 days leading to 19. November 2013 (not exactly THAT long ago Wink ), the bitcoin price DOUBLED, measured by the DAILY AVERAGE!

Would you be confident if this time next week we'd be at $850?

It is rises like those that cause major panic buying!!  I guess it could happen?  It has before!  Next week though?  I am not getting my hopes up yet. Wink
donator
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$5000 per BTC could still happen this year.  On days like today it does seem really hard to believe though. Wink

At the same time Bitcoin has breached the support level at $400, and is sliding rapidly towards $300. Now what $200... $100? Anything seems possible. I am holding out still.  Sad

Currently on a pace to be above $400 by tomorrow.
Will it really happen?

Holding pretty strong above $400 today Smiley

What is more shocking than the price dropping quickly is how fast it can rise!  I am actually really comfortable with the price being around $400.  That is a great base to begin another "bubble."  Smiley  I have a feeling the next rise will be very impressive.

Good point! In the 7 days leading to 19. November 2013 (not exactly THAT long ago Wink ), the bitcoin price DOUBLED, measured by the DAILY AVERAGE!

Would you be confident if this time next week we'd be at $850?
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