Topic: I am still affiliated with witcoin name/brand/site after all? x_x (Read 10112 times)
February 27, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
Give people back their coins. Everything else is bullshit.
December 31, 2011, 01:28:38 PM
I haven't touched the code base since June and I am still suffering from health issues, so even though it's now the last day of the year, I still haven't made any progress towards preparing the code base to be suitable for distribution or usage for others, buuut, as per my suggested interest that evolved into a kind of promise to release code by the end of the year, here's an archive of the latest snapshot of the code base: http://www21.zippyshare.com/v/43869793/file.html license: AGPLv3
December 24, 2011, 12:02:49 PM
December 24, 2011, 09:07:31 AM
This is one of the hardest threads I have tried to read, yet most fun. So when is witcoin coming back? Because I am pretty sure once I made a post there, everyone else stopped using it, I assure you I won't try to use the site again 
thought I liked it in theory
I am thinking the competition brewing https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yahoo-news-and-witcoin-ripoff-53573 might actually allow witcoin to come back and stronger if someone is behind it implementing any useful features the competition might have
thought I liked it in theoryI am thinking the competition brewing https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yahoo-news-and-witcoin-ripoff-53573 might actually allow witcoin to come back and stronger if someone is behind it implementing any useful features the competition might have
November 09, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
You need to return peoples coins as soon as practical as you did not have permission to seize the site and take everything. Any time frame on this? The coins are not your personal property they belong to the users of witcoin. Your abusive treatment of them is no longer a joke and is bordering on criminal.
November 04, 2011, 06:31:45 AM
Any relationship I have with cryptoexchange or the developers of the site is no one's business and I would appreciate they be kept out of things. The domains were purchased to protect the brand name and are being transferred to myself.
Anyone who wishes to contribute going forward or offer suggestions is welcome to pm me.
Anyone who wishes to contribute going forward or offer suggestions is welcome to pm me.
November 04, 2011, 06:15:27 AM
Just to be clear,
I no longer control any of the bitcoins or the code as it was removed from the vps. Any responsibility for the loss of such coins and the care of the data is entirely dependent on other people. Mizery was offered income to do an orderly transfer/installation onto the new servers but refused for some reason. Similar to the way bitcoin code can be forked and companies can create derivatives or rewrite it.
As mizery was recently looking for employment it was one way I could help him do so by getting paid to help/consult with a future site.
There is no intention to exploit or otherwise take advantage of the guy because he was offered a JOB.
When bitcoinconsultancy relocated mizerydearia to poland all development work on witcoin was ceased and I decided enough was enough and that the users deserved a more professional approach and continued development. I admit it may be blunt to take the steps Im taking but I am acting to protect the brand name of the site and ensure the users get the site they deserve and also to have their concerns about server downtime and site features responded too rather than treated as a joke.
I no longer control any of the bitcoins or the code as it was removed from the vps. Any responsibility for the loss of such coins and the care of the data is entirely dependent on other people. Mizery was offered income to do an orderly transfer/installation onto the new servers but refused for some reason. Similar to the way bitcoin code can be forked and companies can create derivatives or rewrite it.
As mizery was recently looking for employment it was one way I could help him do so by getting paid to help/consult with a future site.
There is no intention to exploit or otherwise take advantage of the guy because he was offered a JOB.
When bitcoinconsultancy relocated mizerydearia to poland all development work on witcoin was ceased and I decided enough was enough and that the users deserved a more professional approach and continued development. I admit it may be blunt to take the steps Im taking but I am acting to protect the brand name of the site and ensure the users get the site they deserve and also to have their concerns about server downtime and site features responded too rather than treated as a joke.
November 03, 2011, 09:14:55 AM
Miz,
What's the implementation language ofWitcoinwitcoin?
Are you considering open-sourcing it? If so, I will make a donation. If not, would you be interested in supplying me with a one-time snapshot of the code and database schema (but not the data) in return for a worthwhile donation? Alternatively, I would be happy to post some bounties for you to make certain changes that would make it worthwhile for me to get more involved with your new site.
ribuck
What's the implementation language of
Are you considering open-sourcing it? If so, I will make a donation. If not, would you be interested in supplying me with a one-time snapshot of the code and database schema (but not the data) in return for a worthwhile donation? Alternatively, I would be happy to post some bounties for you to make certain changes that would make it worthwhile for me to get more involved with your new site.
ribuck
As suggested/promised on several occasions, I will be open sourcing my code base this year and fairly soon (because time's running out anyway ^_^).
* mizerydearia chuckles at the idea of waiting until the very last second of the very last minute of the very last hour of the very last day of December at the very latest time zone for release...
November 03, 2011, 04:32:44 AM
Miz,
What's the implementation language ofWitcoinwitcoin?
Are you considering open-sourcing it? If so, I will make a donation. If not, would you be interested in supplying me with a one-time snapshot of the code and database schema (but not the data) in return for a worthwhile donation? Alternatively, I would be happy to post some bounties for you to make certain changes that would make it worthwhile for me to get more involved with your new site.
ribuck
What's the implementation language of
Are you considering open-sourcing it? If so, I will make a donation. If not, would you be interested in supplying me with a one-time snapshot of the code and database schema (but not the data) in return for a worthwhile donation? Alternatively, I would be happy to post some bounties for you to make certain changes that would make it worthwhile for me to get more involved with your new site.
ribuck
November 02, 2011, 10:16:12 PM
mizerydearia - Not sure if you accidentally miswrote that message, but you inserted that whole middle part, which were not Ken's words. His verbatim message to you was,
Actually, his message was exactly as I quoted it, including the quoted message from me written in an unquoted fashion.
Also, note, "witcoin" is never uppercased similarly to how Indian or Internet is never lowercased. ^_^
Thanks, I will look forward to resolving this concern directly with noagendamarket. I only full disclosured about Cryptoxchange affiliations because the forum private message I received contradicted with that in which the communications in the last week show otherwise.
I recognize that you and/or CryptoXchange may wish to abandon such responsibilities and affiliations and I will keep that in mind for further consideration of how to proceed. This is related or similar to how I had previously been interested in proceeding to continue witcoin.com site on the very same linode 512 that noagendamarket was paying for (with funding from others such as the six months amiller had offered and credited a partial amount to noagendamarket's account), but with Cryptoxchange involvement, it had evolved into something else.
Note: I am afraid of privatized communications. Publicly disclosing accurately and honestly without censorship or modifications of informations allows for all involved existences to establish responsibility for their participations and communications.
This is good advice: Stay out of forum debates. they just drain your energy and aren't productive. Make announcements and keep putting out good software.
November 02, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
I received a private message from CryptoXchange:
Hi Miz,
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership. What are your thoughts?
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
Ken
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership. What are your thoughts?
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
Ken
Mizerydearia - Not sure if you accidentally miswrote that message, but you inserted that whole middle part, which were not Ken's words. His verbatim message to you was,
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Hi Miz,
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
So again, please stop mentioning Crypto X Change in relation to any issues between you and Dave. Crypto X Change is in no way involved in Witcoin or any similar projects, though the .net and .org domains were registered in a family account by Ken on Dave's behalf.
Please handle this with Dave.
Thank you,
-Crypto X Change
November 02, 2011, 08:44:06 PM
Regarding ownership of topics - I'd ideally like to see the ownership transferred to the "new" witcoin, wherever that may be.
Either that or (as a poor second option) get the topics cashed out to the value of the bitcoin invested in their creation to the topic creator so that the topics may be re-created by said creator.
I'd hate to have to pay to create topics twice, or lose the bitcoin involved, or jeopardise the opportunity to help grow the community.
Either that or (as a poor second option) get the topics cashed out to the value of the bitcoin invested in their creation to the topic creator so that the topics may be re-created by said creator.
I'd hate to have to pay to create topics twice, or lose the bitcoin involved, or jeopardise the opportunity to help grow the community.
November 02, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
I received a private message from CryptoXchange:
Although noagendamarket registered witcoin.com, it appears he did not register witcoin.net and witcoin.org.
Also from #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode November 1st, 2011,
noagendamarket suggested "the linux guys," they "they" will clone it, "we are going to rewrite the whole thing" and "we need to migrate it."
If not people representative of CryptoXchange who noagendamarket had also previously acknowledged and referenced from previous communications, then who are "we?" Again, I, mizerydearia, am no longer affiliated with "we" in this context and also no longer affiliating with 'witcoin' name.
For those unfamiliar with situation (and in case I didn't mention it in this thread previously), around October 21st noagendamarket had suggested yet again that he could no longer pay for the linode 512 vps hosting the site/project. noagendamarket had stated such things previously as well in which I had provided him with some bitcoins to compensate for a few months of service. During and after October 21st I sought asking for others with assistance for helping to fund continued payment for the vps and additionally others offered hosting instead. I did not accept offers immediately as I wasn't enthusiastic about the limitations or restrictions and also was enthusiastic about sticking with linode if at all possible.
October 21, 2011 via private message:
October 21, 2011 in #bitcoinconsultancy:
October 24, 2011 in #witcoin:
October 25, 2011 via private message:
October 26th, 2011 via private message:
Although I had not made up my mind on any of the offers for hosting as of yet, but I was interested in amiller's offer, however I personally had not yet established a decision, I found this quite abrupt and unexpected effort a bit suspicious/awkward:
October 26th, 2011 in #witcoin:
In addition to previous hosting offers from others, I was not enthusiastic about that offer as well especially considering the link at the bottom of the page.
At this time there had not yet been a noticeable effort between noagendamarket and I to separate continued witcoin developments and as far as my impression or perspective I had considered another alternative donation/offer for hosting the site. This offer was from amiller and he offered to credit noagendamarket's account to pay for vps service for six months.
It wasn't until October 28th, when I finally got a hold of noagendamarket after he returned from vacation/occupying that I learned noagendamarket preferred or desired to transfer continued witcoin hosting on CryptoXchange's server and also for them to contribute and help with development. And later after continued conflict of interests, that had evolved into my losing interest in witcoin name and to continue my development of my codebase under a different name.
October 28th, 2011 #witcoin:
As you can see in the above dialog CryptoXchange has taken responsibility or put forth effort to handle witcoin stuff, which conflicts with CryptoXchange's declaration (see very beginning of this post) "As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project."
Because of this concerted effort and also the private message with noagendamarket:
October 28th, 2011 private message:
Because of this, I realized that noagendamarket had established a concerted effort to enforce a direction of witcoin to be placed on CryptoXchange's server AND for CryptoXchange to contribute to or take over witcoin. This was not immediately recognized by me, although I was a tad bit suspicious, until about now and at this point I realized that noagendamarket had established an agenda to continue witcoin with CryptoXchange who, in noagendamarket's perspective, had presented a more active development than mine, in which I admit that it had been months since I touched witcoin, which I had written entirely from scratch.
I continued in #witcoin with consideration that there would be conflict of interest between noagendamarket (who paid for domain name and linode vps) and myself (who fully set up and administrated the vps as well as developed the codebase and database structure/backend of witcoin):
October 28, 2011 in #witcoin:
Notice how even though I had priorly privately communicated with noagendamarket telling him that amiller had credited noagendamarket's account to cover the costs of hosting the site, noagendamarket showed no effort or consideration of allowing for that and instead put forth effort and consideration solely into CryptoXchange taking responsibility of continued witcoin hosting and development.
November 02, 2011 private message:
Miz
what is the problem? those domains were purchased for noagendamarket, the .org, .net etc. They are being transferred to him when he gets back from his trip. What is the point of your forum posts? I simply asked that Crypto X Change be removed, just because in here I was logged in as Cryptoxchange does not mean I am talking about cryptoxchange building Witcoin for NAM
So please be clear on the matter, it is not Cryptoxchange developing Witcoin! NAM has been talking with me about a new development for it. In which we are assisting with programming company, cryptoxchange is not a programming company, this is being handled by another business owned by our family.
I referenced CryptoXchange because I see you interchangably use the nickname KenArmitt and CryptoXchange
Hi Miz,
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership. What are your thoughts?
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
Ken
Could you please remove cryptoxchange from this post please:
That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership. What are your thoughts?
As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project.
Thank you very much!
Talk to you soon.
Ken
Although noagendamarket registered witcoin.com, it appears he did not register witcoin.net and witcoin.org.
Code:
$ whois witcoin.com
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: WITCOIN.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS.COM CO.
Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
Name Server: NS1.HOVER.COM
Name Server: NS2.HOVER.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 26-dec-2010
Creation Date: 26-dec-2010
Expiration Date: 26-dec-2011
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:43:37 UTC <<<
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
Registrant:
Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0125705362
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
Domain name: WITCOIN.COM
Administrative Contact:
Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0125705362, [email protected]
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457
Technical Contact:
Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0125705362, [email protected]
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457
Registration Service Provider:
Hover, [email protected]
416.538.5498
http://help.hover.com
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 28-Aug-2011.
Record expires on 27-Dec-2011.
Record created on 27-Dec-2010.
Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://tucowsdomains.com
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.HOVER.COM
NS1.HOVER.COM
Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited
This domain's privacy is protected by contactprivacy.com. To reach the domain contacts, please go to http://www.contactprivacy.com and follow the instructions.
Code:
$ whois witcoin.org
Domain ID:D163726481-LROR
Domain Name:WITCOIN.ORG
Created On:28-Oct-2011 21:47:41 UTC
Last Updated On:28-Oct-2011 21:47:42 UTC
Expiration Date:28-Oct-2012 21:47:41 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:CR96638094
Registrant Name:Colin Armitt
Registrant Street1:64 McNamara Ln
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Orange
Registrant State/Province:New South Wales
Registrant Postal Code:2800
Registrant Country:AU
Registrant Phone:+43.4552244
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[email protected]
Admin ID:CR96638096
Admin Name:Colin Armitt
Admin Street1:64 McNamara Ln
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Orange
Admin State/Province:New South Wales
Admin Postal Code:2800
Admin Country:AU
Admin Phone:+43.4552244
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:[email protected]
Tech ID:CR96638095
Tech Name:Colin Armitt
Tech Street1:64 McNamara Ln
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Orange
Tech State/Province:New South Wales
Tech Postal Code:2800
Tech Country:AU
Tech Phone:+43.4552244
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:[email protected]
Name Server:NS41.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server:NS42.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
DNSSEC:Unsigned
Code:
$ whois witcoin.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: WITCOIN.NET
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS41.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS42.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 28-oct-2011
Creation Date: 28-oct-2011
Expiration Date: 28-oct-2012
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:44:07 UTC <<<
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
Colin Armitt
64 McNamara Ln
Orange, New South Wales 2800
Australia
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WITCOIN.NET
Created on: 28-Oct-11
Expires on: 28-Oct-12
Last Updated on: 28-Oct-11
Administrative Contact:
Armitt, Colin [email protected]
64 McNamara Ln
Orange, New South Wales 2800
Australia
+43.4552244 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Armitt, Colin [email protected]
64 McNamara Ln
Orange, New South Wales 2800
Australia
+43.4552244 Fax --
Domain servers in listed order:
NS41.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS42.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Also from #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode November 1st, 2011,
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[06:36:56] it is important to decide upon how to handle the data
[06:37:29] how would you prefer to handle it?
[06:38:35] I think it would be best that for the data to stick with one site, either witcoin.com or the new site I will reestablish
[06:38:42] what's your preference?
[06:38:56] I think it needs to stick with witcoin
[06:39:02] okay, that's all I wanted to know
[06:39:08] thanks ^_^
[06:42:23] CryptoXchange, o/
[06:42:42] Im waiting for the linux guys 
[06:42:52] Basically they will clone it
[06:42:59] and migrate to a new server
[06:43:16] thats what I kknow
[06:43:58] regarding the code base I have written, how do you want to handle ownership of that as well? you own all of it? i own all of it? split it percentage-wise?
[06:44:09] currently it is proprietary, not yet released
[06:44:35] well we are going to rewrite the whole thing
[06:44:41] okay
[06:44:50] but temporarily we need to migrate it
[06:47:17] Is it possible to get witcoin frontend working again temporarily ?
[06:48:32] I will soon be setting up environment at another site
[06:49:04] I can link it when I get hosting environment situated
[07:05:35] ok
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If not people representative of CryptoXchange who noagendamarket had also previously acknowledged and referenced from previous communications, then who are "we?" Again, I, mizerydearia, am no longer affiliated with "we" in this context and also no longer affiliating with 'witcoin' name.
For those unfamiliar with situation (and in case I didn't mention it in this thread previously), around October 21st noagendamarket had suggested yet again that he could no longer pay for the linode 512 vps hosting the site/project. noagendamarket had stated such things previously as well in which I had provided him with some bitcoins to compensate for a few months of service. During and after October 21st I sought asking for others with assistance for helping to fund continued payment for the vps and additionally others offered hosting instead. I did not accept offers immediately as I wasn't enthusiastic about the limitations or restrictions and also was enthusiastic about sticking with linode if at all possible.
October 21, 2011 via private message:
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[00:31:44] are you here ?
[00:31:59] hiya
[00:32:26] you need to backup the vps because I have no money for it
[00:32:33] mm
[00:32:46] someone took most of my unemployment check out
[00:33:23] Im fucking screwed
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October 21, 2011 in #bitcoinconsultancy:
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[13:50:12] it doesnt create the revenue needed to afford hosting
October 24, 2011 in #witcoin:
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[22:55:52] i'll donate 6 months worth of linode for witcoin if you'll vaguely agree to help me with a UX implementation need i'm going to have in the next month
October 25, 2011 via private message:
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[03:38:29] hey
[03:47:28] I have been looking for alternate hosting for witcoin. I was wondering what your thoughts are on the matter.
[04:18:40] what are the options ?
[04:21:52] I'm not entirely certain yet. A kind of option is I could ask my father for help with payment, but, I was wondering about your thoughts on how I should proceed in finding alternate hosting. Would you liek me to consult with you about options before I figure out how to proceed?
[04:22:30] I dont have any preferences
[04:23:07] any configurations? settings? choices? ^_^
[04:23:22] you must have some sort of way for me to change options and stuff, no? ^_^
[04:23:27] oh wait, wrong context
[04:23:33] oh
[04:23:35] sarcasm
[04:23:40] I was just kidding ^_^
[04:23:48] e.g. play on software configuration, settings, etc
[04:24:49] how important is it that the server setup is exactly the same ?
[04:25:20] It's important that the vps is xen and not openvz...which I am currently experiencing now with joepie91's vps for bitcoin markets
[04:25:44] isnt it useable ?
[04:26:25] I just need to know where to point the domain at during the transition
[04:26:59] people might get flighty if they think something dodgy is going on lol
[05:16:53] eeep, I just realized I sent this to wrong person a while ago ^_^
[05:17:10] also, i'll donate 6 months worth of linode for witcoin if you'll vaguely agree to help me with a UX implementation need i'm going to have in the next month
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October 26th, 2011 via private message:
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[09:36:56] Im talking to a guy
[09:37:05] organising a vps
[09:37:35] linode? or other provider/
[09:38:08] no its with ken from cryptoxchange
[09:38:17] he also owns a web dev company
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Although I had not made up my mind on any of the offers for hosting as of yet, but I was interested in amiller's offer, however I personally had not yet established a decision, I found this quite abrupt and unexpected effort a bit suspicious/awkward:
October 26th, 2011 in #witcoin:
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[09:41:19] What OS would you like me to setup for you necro?
[09:41:55] I have a spare Win 2008, SQL setup ready, right now if you would like that?
[09:42:06] o_O
[09:42:09] lol
[09:42:22] witcoin is on gentoo
[09:42:31] ok
[09:43:02] I think necro would stab himself in the eye before using win
[09:43:32] What OS do you want necro?
[09:43:56] ibugs
[09:44:04] I need to install what ever you want, so prob take me half hour, if I install the OS, then you can configure the rest?
[09:45:29] I am a tad bit confused and also a bit rushed. I am not prepared to set up alternative hosting environment for witcoin without much understanding as to what is going on. Although, I imagine noagendamarket has collaborated with you and is therefore more aware of what is going on.
[09:45:53] Well the current server wont exist shortly
[09:46:12] we need to move whatever is there
[09:46:41] I have server space / bandwidth etc, so I can setup what ever OS is required, and then you can do what you need.
[09:47:16] ^^
[09:47:36] CryptoXchange, Can you provide more details as to what you have? Perhaps, is there a website for the company offering the hosting service that shows plan/server/vps details?
[09:48:08] necrodearia It isnt a plan lol
[09:48:16] no, we don't usually sell hosting etc. We are a software company
[09:48:41] But we can provide what is needed for you to get going etc
[09:49:08] I think as long as you have ssh access thats enough isnt it ?
[09:49:13] all we need to know is how much disk space, and what OS etc you would like and I'll get it ready now for you
[09:49:30] the current one is 512mb ram
[09:49:35] Okay. Can you give me 24hrs or so before I respond?
[09:49:49] NAM?
[09:49:52] yes
[09:49:57] Im fine, anytime Necro
[09:50:10] what OS do you want though?
[09:50:15] I'll get it ready now
[09:51:15] Gentoo
[09:51:38] http://meta.witcoin.com/p/169/witcoins-technology
[10:03:47] its enough for a temporary fix
[10:18:54] This has been known for ages so its not a short notice thing lol
[10:19:10] Procrastination doesnt work
[11:42:27] CryptoXchange, Is your server locally hosted in your place of business? What is the incoming/outgoing bandwidth?
[11:44:53] Hi
[11:45:12] 1,000mbps/1,000mbps
[11:45:22] It's in a secure Data Centre
[12:50:41] CryptoXchange, ah, colocated hosting, nice. What are the specs of the hardware?
[12:51:07] Also, which facility?
[13:11:01] Hi Necro, sorry been busy
[13:11:54] I spoke to NAM, I'll allocate whats needed for Witcoin, we just ask for a link atthe bottom of the page, a banner some where would be nice
[13:14:44] if you can let me know how much disk space you will need, and Ram etc please
[14:02:15] we currently use the linode 512 plan
[14:02:30] so anything > than that
[14:02:55] 512mb ram 200gb transfers a month
[14:03:23] Bitocind is a ram hog lol
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In addition to previous hosting offers from others, I was not enthusiastic about that offer as well especially considering the link at the bottom of the page.
At this time there had not yet been a noticeable effort between noagendamarket and I to separate continued witcoin developments and as far as my impression or perspective I had considered another alternative donation/offer for hosting the site. This offer was from amiller and he offered to credit noagendamarket's account to pay for vps service for six months.
It wasn't until October 28th, when I finally got a hold of noagendamarket after he returned from vacation/occupying that I learned noagendamarket preferred or desired to transfer continued witcoin hosting on CryptoXchange's server and also for them to contribute and help with development. And later after continued conflict of interests, that had evolved into my losing interest in witcoin name and to continue my development of my codebase under a different name.
October 28th, 2011 #witcoin:
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[06:04:29] Hi
[06:04:31] Necrodearia, did you talk to noagendamarket further?
[11:36:47] hiya CryptoXchange, not yet, just woke up
[11:37:39] ok thats alright, I wasn't sure if you spoke to him yesterday I was away
[11:38:08] I was quite busy yesterday as it was my birthday
[11:38:18] ok happy birthday
[11:38:22] ^_^
[11:38:26] how old are you now?
[11:40:59] CryptoXchange, 946,808,220 seconds
[11:49:55] Im working in a family software business
[11:54:24] When can you move witcoin?
[11:54:33] we need it on a better server
[11:55:02] CryptoXchange, I';ll be doing that today also, but not moving it really..
[11:56:23] ok, will it take long for you to move it to one of our servers?
[11:56:29] let me know the cost
[12:05:48] you here Necro?
[12:06:50] It needs to be put on a decent server
[12:11:20] Necro, let me know as Im changing the domain / dns settings soon
[12:12:47] Necro?
[12:14:01] Necro, are you on skype?
[12:14:08] please join us there?
[12:15:05] we need to sort out witcoin, there are some changes that NAM and I have spoken about, if you won't move the site etc, orhelp, I'll have to get smene to, let me know
[12:19:37] Anyone home?
[12:39:01] I dont think anyone is here
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As you can see in the above dialog CryptoXchange has taken responsibility or put forth effort to handle witcoin stuff, which conflicts with CryptoXchange's declaration (see very beginning of this post) "As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project."
Because of this concerted effort and also the private message with noagendamarket:
October 28th, 2011 private message:
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[11:43:48] hey
[11:45:18] amiller sent over some credit to the linode account. perhaps you may have noticed?
[11:45:29] orly
[11:45:38] yep, so far us$40 worth of credit
[11:45:49] I havent noticed no
[11:45:51] It should prevent your debit/credit card from being charged
[11:46:34] we have been looking for a way in which I could establish service, but without having a credit card/debit card.
[11:46:56] how did that get credited ? lol
[11:47:02] After glancing at rackspace and dealing with their customer support, I learned how horrendous their support is and decided to reconsider linode again
[11:47:11] I considered not using linode because of...
[11:47:25] their user/account implementation which seems a tad bit insecure and limited/restricting
[11:48:16] In order to create a linode account and affiliate one or more vpses with it, a user must pay with credit card for one or more vpses. It is impossible to create linode account with paying for any service.
[11:48:54] And I remembered/relearned that my mizerydearia account/user is not really an account/user liek yours, but is instead a sub account through which your account is masyer/primary
[11:52:43] yes
[11:56:43] Is it okay with you to preserve the linode vps as long as there is available credit in the account to pay for it and so you do not have to worry about paying anymore with credit card?
[12:09:50] noagendamarket Is it okay with you to preserve the linode vps as long as there is available credit in the account to pay for it and so you do not have to worry about paying anymore with credit card?
[12:19:19] Ive been paying for over 12 months asking for witcoin to pay its way but was ignored
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Because of this, I realized that noagendamarket had established a concerted effort to enforce a direction of witcoin to be placed on CryptoXchange's server AND for CryptoXchange to contribute to or take over witcoin. This was not immediately recognized by me, although I was a tad bit suspicious, until about now and at this point I realized that noagendamarket had established an agenda to continue witcoin with CryptoXchange who, in noagendamarket's perspective, had presented a more active development than mine, in which I admit that it had been months since I touched witcoin, which I had written entirely from scratch.
I continued in #witcoin with consideration that there would be conflict of interest between noagendamarket (who paid for domain name and linode vps) and myself (who fully set up and administrated the vps as well as developed the codebase and database structure/backend of witcoin):
October 28, 2011 in #witcoin:
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[13:43:27] noagendamarket, I believe you are interested to establish an authentic copy of the project with link to cryptoexchange on CryptoXchange's co-located (in Australia?) company server, right?
[13:45:24] Presumably I believe it is more desirable to host 'the' instance of witcoin and all the projects as opposed to only one instance in which additional or duplicate instances exist elsewhere.
[13:45:57] However, in case of open sourcing witcoin, it should be fairly easy for anyone to host an instance of it or a modified version of it for their own purposes
[13:47:03] yes something like that
[13:48:08] mmkay
[13:51:52] noagendamarket, Did you want to set up an instance of the site on CryptoXchange's server and point witcoin.com *.witcoin.com to that server?
[13:54:40] I was thinking thats how we would do it
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Notice how even though I had priorly privately communicated with noagendamarket telling him that amiller had credited noagendamarket's account to cover the costs of hosting the site, noagendamarket showed no effort or consideration of allowing for that and instead put forth effort and consideration solely into CryptoXchange taking responsibility of continued witcoin hosting and development.
November 02, 2011 private message:
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November 02, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
We cannot both make use of the data since the affiliated bitcoins cannot be duplicated.
I would let the witcoin.com site retain the coins that were deposited there, but allow individual users to request a transfer of their balance from one site to the other until, say, the end of the year. No biggie.As for the concept of witcoin, I think it can be very successful, but the format isn't quite right yet. I have some specific ideas which I'm keen to discuss when you've decided how you're taking the site forward.
I think this change will be good for Witcoin. It gives it two new chances at success.
November 02, 2011, 04:49:04 AM
So what are the outcomes for people who "own" topics under the proposed future plans?
Do people who own topics continue to get a share of future posts in those topics?
Do people who own topics continue to get a share of future posts in those topics?
That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership. What are your thoughts?
November 02, 2011, 03:50:32 AM
So what are the outcomes for people who "own" topics under the proposed future plans?
Do people who own topics continue to get a share of future posts in those topics?
Do people who own topics continue to get a share of future posts in those topics?
November 02, 2011, 03:26:10 AM
Recently noagendamarket and I, who have been referenced as co-owners of witcoin, have decided to continue working on witcoin separately.
noagendamarket in affiliation with CryptoXchange will preserve witcoin.com (and CryptoXchange's recently registered witcoin.org and witcoin.net) to reestablish some kind of site possibly with commercial interests.
I am interested to reestablish the witcoin site as I had written and developed it with continued noncommercial interests that, but I will do so under a different name and no longer affiliate with witcoin brand/name.
I would like to know others' thoughts on what seems most appropriate for the witcoin community.
noagendamarket and CryptoXchange want to make use of my code base and affiliated database structure and all sql data of user-generated content and activity to recreate and recreate the site for their own use, whilst I want to reestablish the site as it was under a different name.
We cannot both make use of the data since the affiliated bitcoins cannot be duplicated.
I am uncertain how to proceed as I feel a kind of responsibility for the community behind the site that I made and do not want to make a poor choice of either: preserving the data to move to new site -or- abandoning the data for new ownership to use.
Therefore, any thoughts from anyone in regards to what seems best or reasonable resolution to this concern would be appreciated.
Some responses I received from others:
noagendamarket in affiliation with CryptoXchange will preserve witcoin.com (and CryptoXchange's recently registered witcoin.org and witcoin.net) to reestablish some kind of site possibly with commercial interests.
I am interested to reestablish the witcoin site as I had written and developed it with continued noncommercial interests that, but I will do so under a different name and no longer affiliate with witcoin brand/name.
I would like to know others' thoughts on what seems most appropriate for the witcoin community.
noagendamarket and CryptoXchange want to make use of my code base and affiliated database structure and all sql data of user-generated content and activity to recreate and recreate the site for their own use, whilst I want to reestablish the site as it was under a different name.
We cannot both make use of the data since the affiliated bitcoins cannot be duplicated.
I am uncertain how to proceed as I feel a kind of responsibility for the community behind the site that I made and do not want to make a poor choice of either: preserving the data to move to new site -or- abandoning the data for new ownership to use.
Therefore, any thoughts from anyone in regards to what seems best or reasonable resolution to this concern would be appreciated.
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Before transferring ownership of witcoin.com, give users a chance to delete their accounts and withdraw their BTC. It doesn't really matter which of you gets the BTC as long as users are able to withdraw from the other site. Good luck to both of you!
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I think the data and balance should remain at witcoin.com, whoever ends up running it. If any of you take the software and run it on a different domain, you should not import the witcoin balance (The data can be imported for all I care).
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Users would get confused if their bitcoin balance ends up on a new site. I would say, let noagendamarket and CryptoXchange hold on to the coins indefinitely, so if users come back to witcoin.com after a hiatus they can still easily find their coins. However, as a returning user in this situation, I'd want to know about the changes that have occured. I'd set it up as a one-time page that pops up when a user returns to witcoin.com, just letting them know the differences between your new site and witcoin.com, with handy links to withdraw coins/effectively use either site. You could also have a button that lets them clear their data if they're not happy with the new ownership.
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The project needs a redesign and some user interface tweaks maybe... other than that I liked it.
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Too bad you lost the brand, "witcoin" is IMO a great name. weedcoin, tipcoin, tipbitcoin... or maybe a name without the "coin" in it would be even better. If you are the guy who developed the original site, my witcoins are with you.
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How many active users on the site in the last week? If the number is less than 100, you are basically wasting time worrying about it.
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I feel like the bitcoins living in witcoin should be moved along with the spirit of what witcoin was, whichever new project represents it best. And of course alert and allow users to withdraw their coins before any changes are made. Otherwise i don't have strong feelings either way.
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The best and most capitalist solution is for you to (internally) bid on the existing data and balances; whoever thinks they're most valuable will buy out the other.
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I posted a response at BitcoinTalk.org. As for my own balance of witcoins, I don't really mind which site retains them. No big deal. I think the concept of witcoin is great, and with a few tweaks it could become quite popular and successful.
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I can't judge whether your or their plans are more sincere and appropriate, so what about this solution:
On both sites:
- preserve all old data
- hide old users
- hide content created by old users
E-mail all old users with
- one-paragraph descriptions of both sites
- a link to both sites
- link to a form for choosing sites to participate in
On the form, old users can
- keep or destroy their account on your site
- keep or destroy their account on the other site
- send their balance to a Bitcoin account of their choice
- move their balance to the site they chose or either one of the sites if they chose both
Users who don't use the form are made public on your site and removed from the other site, if their user ID is even. If their user ID is odd, they're made public on the other site and removed from your site.
On both sites:
- preserve all old data
- hide old users
- hide content created by old users
E-mail all old users with
- one-paragraph descriptions of both sites
- a link to both sites
- link to a form for choosing sites to participate in
On the form, old users can
- keep or destroy their account on your site
- keep or destroy their account on the other site
- send their balance to a Bitcoin account of their choice
- move their balance to the site they chose or either one of the sites if they chose both
Users who don't use the form are made public on your site and removed from the other site, if their user ID is even. If their user ID is odd, they're made public on the other site and removed from your site.
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in general, i'm in fav of it being less of a business, more of a software platform for content production. biz models are not necessary to grow things bigger i think, but well some people just know those
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Hi, Thanks for the email. I think you should keep the data and keep tryi ng. I never really used the site, haven't had time. I tried to a few weeks ago but I had forgotten my login details. I'm not sure if you remember, but I met you last year on freenode and you told me about bitcoin/witcoin, gave me a bitcoin so I could try it. I'm still interested in the site, I liked your ideas. Could you tell me a little more whenever you get a chance about what's going on with it at the moment? Thanks.
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I would prefer to go with your non-commercial version of the site (unsure how the commercial version develops). If that needs a different name, so be it. I think you would be able to raise it to a higher level then what witcoin was, in terms of speed and content. I always found that the donation feature was a strong aspect of the site. What I think is important is that access to the stored funds needs to be restored asap. It will only damage the name by people who will call it all a scam (see the whole mybitcoin situation).
October 29, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
I am no longer developing this project as witcoin.
noagendamarket and CryptoXchange will continue establishing witcoin.com and also witcoin.org and witcoin.net commercially.
I shall continue under another name as I think of one.
Discuss in #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode.
noagendamarket and CryptoXchange will continue establishing witcoin.com and also witcoin.org and witcoin.net commercially.
I shall continue under another name as I think of one.
Discuss in #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode.
March 30, 2011, 03:41:34 AM
My proposal for a new payout scheme: http://meta.witcoin.com/p/827/Triangular-number-payout-scheme
I state my reasons in the post for thinking this is superior, but I'm not married to this scheme - I'm just throwing it out there because I'd like to see some discussion about pros and cons of various payment options and ideas for how they might be improved. So critique away.
I state my reasons in the post for thinking this is superior, but I'm not married to this scheme - I'm just throwing it out there because I'd like to see some discussion about pros and cons of various payment options and ideas for how they might be improved. So critique away.
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