Topic: I am still affiliated with witcoin name/brand/site after all? x_x (Read 10104 times)

Give people back their coins. Everything else is bullshit.

I haven't touched the code base since June and I am still suffering from health issues, so even though it's now the last day of the year, I still haven't made any progress towards preparing the code base to be suitable for distribution or usage for others, buuut, as per my suggested interest that evolved into a kind of promise to release code by the end of the year, here's an archive of the latest snapshot of the code base: http://www21.zippyshare.com/v/43869793/file.html license: AGPLv3

I'm still here and alive.

This is one of the hardest threads I have tried to read, yet most fun.  So when is witcoin coming back?  Because I am pretty sure once I made a post there, everyone else stopped using it, I assure you I won't try to use the site again    thought I liked it in theory


I am thinking the competition brewing https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yahoo-news-and-witcoin-ripoff-53573 might actually allow witcoin to come back and stronger if someone is behind it implementing any useful features the competition might have

You need to return peoples coins as soon as practical as you did not have permission to seize the site and take everything. Any time frame on this? The coins are not your personal property they belong to the users of witcoin. Your abusive treatment of them is no longer a joke and is bordering on criminal.

Any relationship I have with cryptoexchange or the developers of the site is no one's business and I would appreciate they be kept out of things. The domains were purchased to protect the brand name and are being transferred to myself.

Anyone who wishes to contribute going forward or offer suggestions is welcome to pm me.

Just to be clear,

I no longer control any of the bitcoins or the code as it was removed from the vps. Any responsibility for the loss of such coins and the care of the data is entirely dependent on other people. Mizery was offered income to do an orderly transfer/installation onto the new servers but refused for some reason. Similar to the way bitcoin code can be forked and companies can create derivatives or rewrite it.

As mizery was recently looking for employment it was one way I could help him do so by getting paid to help/consult with a future site.

There is no intention to exploit or otherwise take advantage of the guy because he was offered a JOB.

When bitcoinconsultancy relocated mizerydearia to poland all development work on witcoin was ceased and I decided enough was enough and that the users deserved a more professional approach and continued development. I admit it may be blunt to take the steps Im taking but I am acting to protect the brand name of the site and ensure the users get the site they deserve and also to have their concerns about server downtime and site features responded too rather than treated as a joke.

As suggested/promised on several occasions, I will be open sourcing my code base this year and fairly soon (because time's running out anyway ^_^).

Miz,

What's the implementation language of Witcoinwitcoin?

Are you considering open-sourcing it? If so, I will make a donation. If not, would you be interested in supplying me with a one-time snapshot of the code and database schema (but not the data) in return for a worthwhile donation? Alternatively, I would be happy to post some bounties for you to make certain changes that would make it worthwhile for me to get more involved with your new site.

ribuck

Actually, his message was exactly as I quoted it, including the quoted message from me written in an unquoted fashion.

Also, note, "witcoin" is never uppercased similarly to how Indian or Internet is never lowercased. ^_^

Thanks, I will look forward to resolving this concern directly with noagendamarket.  I only full disclosured about Cryptoxchange affiliations because the forum private message I received contradicted with that in which the communications in the last week show otherwise.

I recognize that you and/or CryptoXchange may wish to abandon such responsibilities and affiliations and I will keep that in mind for further consideration of how to proceed.  This is related or similar to how I had previously been interested in proceeding to continue witcoin.com site on the very same linode 512 that noagendamarket was paying for (with funding from others such as the six months amiller had offered and credited a partial amount to noagendamarket's account), but with Cryptoxchange involvement, it had evolved into something else.

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Note: I am afraid of privatized communications.  Publicly disclosing accurately and honestly without censorship or modifications of informations allows for all involved existences to establish responsibility for their participations and communications.

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This is good advice: Stay out of forum debates. they just drain your energy and aren't productive.  Make announcements and keep putting out good software.

Mizerydearia - Not sure if you accidentally miswrote that message, but you inserted that whole middle part, which were not Ken's words. His verbatim message to you was,

So again, please stop mentioning Crypto X Change in relation to any issues between you and Dave. Crypto X Change is in no way involved in Witcoin or any similar projects, though the .net and .org domains were registered in a family account by Ken on Dave's behalf.

Please handle this with Dave.

Thank you,
-Crypto X Change

Regarding ownership of topics - I'd ideally like to see the ownership transferred to the "new" witcoin, wherever that may be.

Either that or (as a poor second option) get the topics cashed out to the value of the bitcoin invested in their creation to the topic creator so that the topics may be re-created by said creator.

I'd hate to have to pay to create topics twice, or lose the bitcoin involved, or jeopardise the opportunity to help grow the community.

I received a private message from CryptoXchange:


Although noagendamarket registered witcoin.com, it appears he did not register witcoin.net and witcoin.org.



Also from #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode November 1st, 2011,

noagendamarket suggested "the linux guys," they "they" will clone it, "we are going to rewrite the whole thing" and "we need to migrate it."

If not people representative of CryptoXchange who noagendamarket had also previously acknowledged and referenced from previous communications, then who are "we?"  Again, I, mizerydearia, am no longer affiliated with "we" in this context and also no longer affiliating with 'witcoin' name.

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For those unfamiliar with situation (and in case I didn't mention it in this thread previously), around October 21st noagendamarket had suggested yet again that he could no longer pay for the linode 512 vps hosting the site/project.  noagendamarket had stated such things previously as well in which I had provided him with some bitcoins to compensate for a few months of service.  During and after October 21st I sought asking for others with assistance for helping to fund continued payment for the vps and additionally others offered hosting instead.  I did not accept offers immediately as I wasn't enthusiastic about the limitations or restrictions and also was enthusiastic about sticking with linode if at all possible.

October 21, 2011 via private message:

October 21, 2011 in #bitcoinconsultancy:

October 24, 2011 in #witcoin:

October 25, 2011 via private message:

October 26th, 2011 via private message:

Although I had not made up my mind on any of the offers for hosting as of yet, but I was interested in amiller's offer, however I personally had not yet established a decision, I found this quite abrupt and unexpected effort a bit suspicious/awkward:

October 26th, 2011 in #witcoin:

In addition to previous hosting offers from others, I was not enthusiastic about that offer as well especially considering the link at the bottom of the page.

At this time there had not yet been a noticeable effort between noagendamarket and I to separate continued witcoin developments and as far as my impression or perspective I had considered another alternative donation/offer for hosting the site.  This offer was from amiller and he offered to credit noagendamarket's account to pay for vps service for six months.

It wasn't until October 28th, when I finally got a hold of noagendamarket after he returned from vacation/occupying that I learned noagendamarket preferred or desired to transfer continued witcoin hosting on CryptoXchange's server and also for them to contribute and help with development.  And later after continued conflict of interests, that had evolved into my losing interest in witcoin name and to continue my development of my codebase under a different name.

October 28th, 2011 #witcoin:

As you can see in the above dialog CryptoXchange has taken responsibility or put forth effort to handle witcoin stuff, which conflicts with CryptoXchange's declaration (see very beginning of this post) "As this is David's domain, and it is not CryptoXchange that is actually working with this project."

Because of this concerted effort and also the private message with noagendamarket:

October 28th, 2011 private message:

Because of this, I realized that noagendamarket had established a concerted effort to enforce a direction of witcoin to be placed on CryptoXchange's server AND for CryptoXchange to contribute to or take over witcoin.  This was not immediately recognized by me, although I was a tad bit suspicious, until about now and at this point I realized that noagendamarket had established an agenda to continue witcoin with CryptoXchange who, in noagendamarket's perspective, had presented a more active development than mine, in which I admit that it had been months since I touched witcoin, which I had written entirely from scratch.

I continued in #witcoin with consideration that there would be conflict of interest between noagendamarket (who paid for domain name and linode vps) and myself (who fully set up and administrated the vps as well as developed the codebase and database structure/backend of witcoin):

October 28, 2011 in #witcoin:

Notice how even though I had priorly privately communicated with noagendamarket telling him that amiller had credited noagendamarket's account to cover the costs of hosting the site, noagendamarket showed no effort or consideration of allowing for that and instead put forth effort and consideration solely into CryptoXchange taking responsibility of continued witcoin hosting and development.

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November 02, 2011 private message:

I would let the witcoin.com site retain the coins that were deposited there, but allow individual users to request a transfer of their balance from one site to the other until, say, the end of the year. No biggie.

As for the concept of witcoin, I think it can be very successful, but the format isn't quite right yet. I have some specific ideas which I'm keen to discuss when you've decided how you're taking the site forward.

I think this change will be good for Witcoin. It gives it two new chances at success.

That is interesting concern and first importantly depends on if some or all content is preserved at witcoin.com in affiliation with noagendamarket and CryptoXchange or at another site that I am reestablishing under a different name due to lack of domain name ownership.  What are your thoughts?

So what are the outcomes for people who "own" topics under the proposed future plans?

Do people who own topics continue to get a share of future posts in those topics?

Recently noagendamarket and I, who have been referenced as co-owners of witcoin, have decided to continue working on witcoin separately.

noagendamarket in affiliation with CryptoXchange will preserve witcoin.com (and CryptoXchange's recently registered witcoin.org and witcoin.net) to reestablish some kind of site possibly with commercial interests.

I am interested to reestablish the witcoin site as I had written and developed it with continued noncommercial interests that, but I will do so under a different name and no longer affiliate with witcoin brand/name.

I would like to know others' thoughts on what seems most appropriate for the witcoin community.

noagendamarket and CryptoXchange want to make use of my code base and affiliated database structure and all sql data of user-generated content and activity to recreate and recreate the site for their own use, whilst I want to reestablish the site as it was under a different name.

We cannot both make use of the data since the affiliated bitcoins cannot be duplicated.

I am uncertain how to proceed as I feel a kind of responsibility for the community behind the site that I made and do not want to make a poor choice of either: preserving the data to move to new site -or- abandoning the data for new ownership to use.

Therefore, any thoughts from anyone in regards to what seems best or reasonable resolution to this concern would be appreciated.

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Some responses I received from others:

I am no longer developing this project as witcoin.

noagendamarket and CryptoXchange will continue establishing witcoin.com and also witcoin.org and witcoin.net commercially.

I shall continue under another name as I think of one.

Discuss in #bitcoinconsultancy on freenode.

My proposal for a new payout scheme: http://meta.witcoin.com/p/827/Triangular-number-payout-scheme

I state my reasons in the post for thinking this is superior, but I'm not married to this scheme - I'm just throwing it out there because I'd like to see some discussion about pros and cons of various payment options and ideas for how they might be improved.  So critique away.

http://fakenews.witcoin.com/p/7/Sarah-Palin-wants-to-redeem-lost-bitcoins-for-charity