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October 03, 2014, 06:54:06 PM
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GAW buyback is 80% and you can sell it in the Hash Market for more if you want.

Don't listen to those who says GAWminers suck, usually they have not even tried their products.

I did it, I'm happy, money is flowing, take a chance !

And I have proof on my blog with payout screenshot daily that SHOW that is rentable.

GAWMinersaffiliate.blogspot.ca

Haters gonna hate Wink
sr. member
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With GAW Buyback @ 40%, and a real market place, you get value for your money.

Even if you sell after 1 month, there is a market with supply/demand. No other company offers that...

Still LTCgear is better.

I got some money with Genesis (ROI 110 days) and Hashnest (ROI 3 years?). However hashnest has a marketplace, hope it will come alive...
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i bought war machine for 2.6 btc in july (54 MH)
got free month of hosting and i have converted it into hashlet prime

it hashes now 58MH/s

it has mined after fees 2.3 btc

so i am at 0.3 btc loss now Smiley

but...

i still have 58MH/sec as hashlet prime + bonus 1.3 MH/s prime
so total 60MH/s (valued at 3000$ now ~ 8 BTC)

every day i can boost them into 120MH/s (adding second pool)

i got about 0.04-0.05 btc per day after fees
so i will have roi in 6 days Smiley

and will have 120MH/s for free Smiley hashing a lot of btc every day
it can feed me till end of cloud.zenminer.com Smiley

has anyone better story ? Smiley

Damn, what was the bonus prime for?
newbie
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They won't be unprofitable, because they promise to keep the fees low, so you'll always get some profit, no matter what the difficulty will be.


Oh! If they promise I'm sold.

Where do they get the free electricity and free hardware?

and did you know that some VPN's don't log?
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Small Red and Bad
@EvilPanda

What are hashpoints and how do they work?

Check this out:

https://hashtalk.org/HashPointsFAQ
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cryptoshark
i bought war machine for 2.6 btc in july (54 MH)
got free month of hosting and i have converted it into hashlet prime

it hashes now 58MH/s

it has mined after fees 2.3 btc

so i am at 0.3 btc loss now Smiley

but...

i still have 58MH/sec as hashlet prime + bonus 1.3 MH/s prime
so total 60MH/s (valued at 3000$ now ~ 8 BTC)

every day i can boost them into 120MH/s (adding second pool)

i got about 0.04-0.05 btc per day after fees
so i will have roi in 6 days Smiley

and will have 120MH/s for free Smiley hashing a lot of btc every day
it can feed me till end of cloud.zenminer.com Smiley

has anyone better story ? Smiley
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I've bought 15 mhs of Zen. Makes a decent return but I got pissed off because every time, without exception, the withdrawal of BTC does not work until multiple attempts are made. I asked for my money back and they told me to fuck off. Well I am still within the window of my credit card purchase and can tell them to fuck off and there is not a damn thing that they can do. It was only $350 CDN so I may just ride it out to get my ROI as I do get my BTC eventually.




I also have the same problem makes me wonder.

Do you still have this problem? I've seen some users say that that withdrawal system has improved.
You get rewarded for keeping the coins with them, so it's not that bad Wink

@EvilPanda

What are hashpoints and how do they work?
legendary
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I have Genesis hashlets so it's fine.
newbie
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[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
So that is $2/day/THS operating expense.
Up front cost looks like $895/THS. This will produce roughly 1.9 BTC by Sept 2016 and then essentially flatlines at 10% difficulty increases. It goes negative on operating expense after producing 1.4 BTC. This assumes BTC makes it back to $500. At $400 it goes negative on operating cost by Feb 2015 after producing 1.3 BTC.

At BTC less than $400 - you should spend the fiat on BTC rather than buying hashlets. In fact, if GAW was confident difficulty increases do not plummet, they can buy the BTC and pay it out over the productive life of the hashing power. They will pay out less BTC than the amount purchased and get $2/day/THS from the credulous customer.

I don't see any scenario in which one of these going into production today is better than just buying the BTC. BTC needs to recover to over $500 before the analysis even becomes plausible. I don't know what they are guaranteeing, but low BTC price today means people should buy BTC rather than buy new hashing power.

I think GAW promised they would never go negative on operating costs. So lets assume BTC eventually stays at $400 during the productive live of this hashing power. That means the hashing power produces that same 1.9 BTC before flatlining. You will have paid them $290 in operating cost. Today, if you can buy BTC @ $400, you get 2.2 guaranteed and no operating cost payout. Note, if BTC price increases during the productive life, you end up paying more in operating cost.

So lets assume average difficulty increase drops all the way to 8% (unlikely, but possible), then you end up paying $360 in operating costs before GAW zeroes them out but now will produce 2.3 BTC.

So right now $400 BTC price, you have to assume difficulty increases drop below 8% just to get more BTC from the mining than from  just buying BTC.

This is a great deal for GAW.


Fucking hell, why couldn't you post this earlier.  I bought a 50GH/s hashlet just to test out the waters,

Why did u buy genesis instead of zen hashlets.... zen hashlets are the most profitable ones.

Just testing the waters, I will probably sell it on the hash market before I return to make a return or a small profit.
Well good luck then, AFAIK you cant sell primes on the hash market yet.
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I've bought 15 mhs of Zen. Makes a decent return but I got pissed off because every time, without exception, the withdrawal of BTC does not work until multiple attempts are made. I asked for my money back and they told me to fuck off. Well I am still within the window of my credit card purchase and can tell them to fuck off and there is not a damn thing that they can do. It was only $350 CDN so I may just ride it out to get my ROI as I do get my BTC eventually.




I also have the same problem makes me wonder.

Do you still have this problem? I've seen some users say that that withdrawal system has improved.
You get rewarded for keeping the coins with them, so it's not that bad Wink
legendary
Activity: 1050
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[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
So that is $2/day/THS operating expense.
Up front cost looks like $895/THS. This will produce roughly 1.9 BTC by Sept 2016 and then essentially flatlines at 10% difficulty increases. It goes negative on operating expense after producing 1.4 BTC. This assumes BTC makes it back to $500. At $400 it goes negative on operating cost by Feb 2015 after producing 1.3 BTC.

At BTC less than $400 - you should spend the fiat on BTC rather than buying hashlets. In fact, if GAW was confident difficulty increases do not plummet, they can buy the BTC and pay it out over the productive life of the hashing power. They will pay out less BTC than the amount purchased and get $2/day/THS from the credulous customer.

I don't see any scenario in which one of these going into production today is better than just buying the BTC. BTC needs to recover to over $500 before the analysis even becomes plausible. I don't know what they are guaranteeing, but low BTC price today means people should buy BTC rather than buy new hashing power.

I think GAW promised they would never go negative on operating costs. So lets assume BTC eventually stays at $400 during the productive live of this hashing power. That means the hashing power produces that same 1.9 BTC before flatlining. You will have paid them $290 in operating cost. Today, if you can buy BTC @ $400, you get 2.2 guaranteed and no operating cost payout. Note, if BTC price increases during the productive life, you end up paying more in operating cost.

So lets assume average difficulty increase drops all the way to 8% (unlikely, but possible), then you end up paying $360 in operating costs before GAW zeroes them out but now will produce 2.3 BTC.

So right now $400 BTC price, you have to assume difficulty increases drop below 8% just to get more BTC from the mining than from  just buying BTC.

This is a great deal for GAW.


Fucking hell, why couldn't you post this earlier.  I bought a 50GH/s hashlet just to test out the waters,

Why did u buy genesis instead of zen hashlets.... zen hashlets are the most profitable ones.

Just testing the waters, I will probably sell it on the hash market before I return to make a return or a small profit.
legendary
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I've bought 15 mhs of Zen. Makes a decent return but I got pissed off because every time, without exception, the withdrawal of BTC does not work until multiple attempts are made. I asked for my money back and they told me to fuck off. Well I am still within the window of my credit card purchase and can tell them to fuck off and there is not a damn thing that they can do. It was only $350 CDN so I may just ride it out to get my ROI as I do get my BTC eventually.




I also have the same problem makes me wonder.
full member
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[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
This is a great deal for GAW.
Fucking hell, why couldn't you post this earlier.  I bought a 50GH/s hashlet just to test out the waters,
Sorry. I couldn't because I did not understand the operational cost model before today.  Undecided
I think this analysis will be true for all cloud mining operations. Today's mining economy was based on $600 BTC to have the possibility of breaking even. At $400 BTC, all of those schemes fall apart because there is absolutely no ambiguity - buy BTC instead of hashing power.
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[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
So that is $2/day/THS operating expense.
Up front cost looks like $895/THS. This will produce roughly 1.9 BTC by Sept 2016 and then essentially flatlines at 10% difficulty increases. It goes negative on operating expense after producing 1.4 BTC. This assumes BTC makes it back to $500. At $400 it goes negative on operating cost by Feb 2015 after producing 1.3 BTC.

At BTC less than $400 - you should spend the fiat on BTC rather than buying hashlets. In fact, if GAW was confident difficulty increases do not plummet, they can buy the BTC and pay it out over the productive life of the hashing power. They will pay out less BTC than the amount purchased and get $2/day/THS from the credulous customer.

I don't see any scenario in which one of these going into production today is better than just buying the BTC. BTC needs to recover to over $500 before the analysis even becomes plausible. I don't know what they are guaranteeing, but low BTC price today means people should buy BTC rather than buy new hashing power.

I think GAW promised they would never go negative on operating costs. So lets assume BTC eventually stays at $400 during the productive live of this hashing power. That means the hashing power produces that same 1.9 BTC before flatlining. You will have paid them $290 in operating cost. Today, if you can buy BTC @ $400, you get 2.2 guaranteed and no operating cost payout. Note, if BTC price increases during the productive life, you end up paying more in operating cost.

So lets assume average difficulty increase drops all the way to 8% (unlikely, but possible), then you end up paying $360 in operating costs before GAW zeroes them out but now will produce 2.3 BTC.

So right now $400 BTC price, you have to assume difficulty increases drop below 8% just to get more BTC from the mining than from  just buying BTC.

This is a great deal for GAW.


Fucking hell, why couldn't you post this earlier.  I bought a 50GH/s hashlet just to test out the waters,

Why did u buy genesis instead of zen hashlets.... zen hashlets are the most profitable ones.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
So that is $2/day/THS operating expense.
Up front cost looks like $895/THS. This will produce roughly 1.9 BTC by Sept 2016 and then essentially flatlines at 10% difficulty increases. It goes negative on operating expense after producing 1.4 BTC. This assumes BTC makes it back to $500. At $400 it goes negative on operating cost by Feb 2015 after producing 1.3 BTC.

At BTC less than $400 - you should spend the fiat on BTC rather than buying hashlets. In fact, if GAW was confident difficulty increases do not plummet, they can buy the BTC and pay it out over the productive life of the hashing power. They will pay out less BTC than the amount purchased and get $2/day/THS from the credulous customer.

I don't see any scenario in which one of these going into production today is better than just buying the BTC. BTC needs to recover to over $500 before the analysis even becomes plausible. I don't know what they are guaranteeing, but low BTC price today means people should buy BTC rather than buy new hashing power.

I think GAW promised they would never go negative on operating costs. So lets assume BTC eventually stays at $400 during the productive live of this hashing power. That means the hashing power produces that same 1.9 BTC before flatlining. You will have paid them $290 in operating cost. Today, if you can buy BTC @ $400, you get 2.2 guaranteed and no operating cost payout. Note, if BTC price increases during the productive life, you end up paying more in operating cost.

So lets assume average difficulty increase drops all the way to 8% (unlikely, but possible), then you end up paying $360 in operating costs before GAW zeroes them out but now will produce 2.3 BTC.

So right now $400 BTC price, you have to assume difficulty increases drop below 8% just to get more BTC from the mining than from  just buying BTC.

This is a great deal for GAW.


Fucking hell, why couldn't you post this earlier.  I bought a 50GH/s hashlet just to test out the waters,
full member
Activity: 195
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[The $0.08 is for their scrypt miners. For Bitcoin miners its $0.01 per 5 GH SHA-256
So that is $2/day/THS operating expense.
Up front cost looks like $895/THS. This will produce roughly 1.9 BTC by Sept 2016 and then essentially flatlines at 10% difficulty increases. It goes negative on operating expense after producing 1.4 BTC. This assumes BTC makes it back to $500. At $400 it goes negative on operating cost by Feb 2015 after producing 1.3 BTC.

At BTC less than $400 - you should spend the fiat on BTC rather than buying hashlets. In fact, if GAW was confident difficulty increases do not plummet, they can buy the BTC and pay it out over the productive life of the hashing power. They will pay out less BTC than the amount purchased and get $2/day/THS from the credulous customer.

I don't see any scenario in which one of these going into production today is better than just buying the BTC. BTC needs to recover to over $500 before the analysis even becomes plausible. I don't know what they are guaranteeing, but low BTC price today means people should buy BTC rather than buy new hashing power.

I think GAW promised they would never go negative on operating costs. So lets assume BTC eventually stays at $400 during the productive live of this hashing power. That means the hashing power produces that same 1.9 BTC before flatlining. You will have paid them $290 in operating cost. Today, if you can buy BTC @ $400, you get 2.2 guaranteed and no operating cost payout. Note, if BTC price increases during the productive life, you end up paying more in operating cost.

So lets assume average difficulty increase drops all the way to 8% (unlikely, but possible), then you end up paying $360 in operating costs before GAW zeroes them out but now will produce 2.3 BTC.

So right now $400 BTC price, you have to assume difficulty increases drop below 8% just to get more BTC from the mining than from  just buying BTC.

This is a great deal for GAW.
legendary
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I've bought 15 mhs of Zen. Makes a decent return but I got pissed off because every time, without exception, the withdrawal of BTC does not work until multiple attempts are made. I asked for my money back and they told me to fuck off. Well I am still within the window of my credit card purchase and can tell them to fuck off and there is not a damn thing that they can do. It was only $350 CDN so I may just ride it out to get my ROI as I do get my BTC eventually.





Hi if there is anything I can do to help, I will. Can you please send me your order number and ticket number, if you have one. I will contact our Customer Service Manager and we will work with you to find a happy solution.

Sincerely,
Amber
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I did a withdrawal of BTC today and for the first time it worked on the first attempt. I'll go back to lurking in this OP. All is good for now.
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September 30, 2014, 08:44:21 AM
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I've bought 15 mhs of Zen. Makes a decent return but I got pissed off because every time, without exception, the withdrawal of BTC does not work until multiple attempts are made. I asked for my money back and they told me to fuck off. Well I am still within the window of my credit card purchase and can tell them to fuck off and there is not a damn thing that they can do. It was only $350 CDN so I may just ride it out to get my ROI as I do get my BTC eventually.





Hi if there is anything I can do to help, I will. Can you please send me your order number and ticket number, if you have one. I will contact our Customer Service Manager and we will work with you to find a happy solution.

Sincerely,
Amber
[email protected]
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