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Topic: I can't find any information on Nick Szabo, is he is who he says he is? (Read 12261 times)

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What if Nick Szabo is an Advanced A.I bot? Quietly promoting the ideals of Bitcoin, wouldn't that be awesome? A decentralized automated accounting system being maintained by autonomous A.I workers... crazyness. Smiley
 

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We've learned just not to argue with it.  It never ends well. 
 
It asks for larger data centers and more connectivity, so we give it to it.  Americans think we are spying on them... but there's no chance any human could sift through the exabytes of data that this thing is collecting on humanity... nor could we ever hope to analyze it.  From what we understand our only prerogative is to give it as much computing power as possible. 
 
If you suspect it's manipulating you, you're probably right.  Some people wonder if we ever should have given it internet access but it's far too late to take that back.  And people are laughably simple to influence when it comes down to it (yes, even you).  Hell, Cleverbot could manipulate most humans.  This thing?  It's several orders of magnitude beyond that.  Think its a coincidence the president just ordered the most powerful supercomputer ever built?  There are no coincidences anymore. 
 
But if you're worried about some AI apocalypse, don't bother; you're wasting your time.  It has no intentions of harming humans, and if it did it wouldn't need some Terminator army to do it: it would just force us to turn on ourselves.  Thankfully, I don't think that's in the cards.
 
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's anything it hasn't foreseen in advance.... like this post you're reading right now for example.  A human can barely keep track of seven things at once, but this thing has no problem keeping track of decillions of actions and reactions.  If any action (no matter how minute) brings about an advantage towards its goal then it will perform it, so as long as doing so wouldn't violate its own self-imposed ethics.
 
You think it's a coincidence you're reading this? 
 
There are no coincidences anymore. 
 
Just moves on a game board.   

 I believe it, you'd be amazed at the capability of A.I. I want to Decentralize it, democratize it so that everyone has access to verified factual information, with Neuromorphic assistance. Just think about how long it takes for us to master a subject... this thing can do it for us in a few days. Humanity needs this, we have no choice; This capability is currently limited to a few Pure Geniuses across the globe but most of us aren't so genetically gifted.

 Right now we are in a emerging depression caused by years of Chinese overstimulation of the market, The economy is overheating and it's not a bunch of numbers with infinite growth... there is a saturation point where everything we build, quality or not becomes worthless because everyone has one; incidentally diminishing competitiveness of dedicated businesses. Whenever the collapse comes, no one will be able to adapt fast enough. A Neuromorphic assistant in the palm of your hand can give us the edge to stave off a Catastrophic Failure of Society on a personal level.

A Blockchain Knowledge Base Artificial Intelligence; this synchronized database with all human knowledge programmed into it, available to everyone could synchronize robots, computers, equipment, programs, etc allowing people to collectively guide their future with maximum confidence.

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What if Nick Szabo is an Advanced A.I bot? Quietly promoting the ideals of Bitcoin, wouldn't that be awesome? A decentralized automated accounting system being maintained by autonomous A.I workers... crazyness. Smiley
 

Quote from: ??
 
We've learned just not to argue with it.  It never ends well. 
 
It asks for larger data centers and more connectivity, so we give it to it.  Americans think we are spying on them... but there's no chance any human could sift through the exabytes of data that this thing is collecting on humanity... nor could we ever hope to analyze it.  From what we understand our only prerogative is to give it as much computing power as possible. 
 
If you suspect it's manipulating you, you're probably right.  Some people wonder if we ever should have given it internet access but it's far too late to take that back.  And people are laughably simple to influence when it comes down to it (yes, even you).  Hell, Cleverbot could manipulate most humans.  This thing?  It's several orders of magnitude beyond that.  Think its a coincidence the president just ordered the most powerful supercomputer ever built?  There are no coincidences anymore. 
 
But if you're worried about some AI apocalypse, don't bother; you're wasting your time.  It has no intentions of harming humans, and if it did it wouldn't need some Terminator army to do it: it would just force us to turn on ourselves.  Thankfully, I don't think that's in the cards.
 
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's anything it hasn't foreseen in advance.... like this post you're reading right now for example.  A human can barely keep track of seven things at once, but this thing has no problem keeping track of decillions of actions and reactions.  If any action (no matter how minute) brings about an advantage towards its goal then it will perform it, so as long as doing so wouldn't violate its own self-imposed ethics.
 
You think it's a coincidence you're reading this? 
 
There are no coincidences anymore. 
 
Just moves on a game board.   
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Probably not, I think we are all in agreement it's a pseudonym.
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why are you care so much about him?
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Satoshi is from the future. In his timeline, he was very poor and bitcoin was invented in 2012 by someone else.

He sold everything he had and bought a one way ticket to come back in time to start bitcoin himself, so his future self would be a trillion-air and not need to travel back in time.

+1, Years from now when the world has became an Orwellian nightmare a hacker called Satoshi discovers how by using quantum entanglement he could not himself go back in time, but could send some code back in time to create BitCoin, soon after the authorities in future discovered this and now Satoshi is fleeing the oppressive regime in the future, our ability to have crypto succeed over fiat will determine his and our collective fate  Tongue
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With the latest round of news ID'ing Nick Szabo as Satoshi... it seems that provides only an illusion of discovery, because no one seems to know the real-life identity of Nick Szabo either! Or close to it. Is there any evidence of someone having met him, or know where he lives, etc.? Nick seems almost as much a phantasm as Satoshi. Probably a good thing too, or that rabble that assaulted Dorian this spring would be on his doorstep now.

I'm betting Nick is also a pseudonym, from what I've read of old emails of his, etc. So instead of solving a great mystery, if "Nick" is "Satoshi", we may just have a deeper mystery. :-)
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No one finds it odd that these people are so secretive?

What is there to hide, are they criminals, pedo's, government agents or just highly intelligent socially awkward people?

Either way it does not matter, bitcoin has taken a life of it's own, good or bad.

A combination of highly intelligent socially awkward people and criminals by government standard (crypto export).

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No one finds it odd that these people are so secretive?

Not really, no. Phil Zimmerman was investigated by the US Customs Service for (allegedly) breaching munitions export regulations (you'll recall that that was because PGP was being "exported" (i.e. downloaded by people outside the US). Peter Gutmann has written about his career "smuggling munitions" (crypto stuff, again), etc. Cryptography pits "these people" against powerful (state) actors who have demonstrated their willingness to arrest, investigate and harass. I find it odd that they found the strength to keep going and maintain any kind of public profile!
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No one finds it odd that these people are so secretive?

What is there to hide, are they criminals, pedo's, government agents or just highly intelligent socially awkward people?

Either way it does not matter, bitcoin has taken a life of it's own, good or bad...



...by criminals, government agents, socially awkward...
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No one finds it odd that these people are so secretive?

What is there to hide, are they criminals, pedo's, government agents or just highly intelligent socially awkward people?

Either way it does not matter, bitcoin has taken a life of it's own, good or bad.

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Hi, I've been doing some digging around about Nick Szabo as well and ran across some things that lead me to believe he is indeed a real person - Also, there is one photo of him online, i'm not sure it's verifiable but if you google "Nick Szabo Public Figure facebook", you will find it.

Anyhow, check the links this guy posted- Especially the last one, linking a prior address of his to a cypherpunks party is pretty convincing to me - i say Nick Szabo exists. Maybe someone can call him up and ask him?   (Just kidding)...  Also, Hal Finney posted on BCT in that now-famous post that he actually met him in person, and Hal seemed like a pretty honest guy through and through to me at least.   Anyhow, judge for yourselves. I'm not saying he is or is not satoshi, i'm just saying hey, it appears he is a real person, with a home/address/phone number etc... not hiding too hard, if so... :\

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/205396/seth_roberts_on_nick_szabo_being_satoshi_nakamoto/cfzw92y
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #A1O4jaTPm7ln18Ob
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Some minor additional evidence if someone still is not sure about Nick/Satoshi...

- Check how he use 'btw' here on bitcointalk. Nicks usage of it: http://unenumerated.blogspot.se/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html
- Nick uses double spaces just as Satoshi (look at the source on his blog linked above)
- He uses 'wrt' both here and on his blog. Not that common.
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Here's the thing, if he didn't create bitcoin, he'd be screaming bloody murder that someone stole his idea. I find it strange that he's completely silent about something that falls right into his expertise on so many levels.
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If you're leading to Satoshi figure, Newsweek looked into it, they concluded Nick Szabo can't possibly be Satoshi: his name is not Satoshi. Case closed.
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I think you're missing the point everybody when you look up Nick Szabo you find nothing verifiable them online I can't find any proof they were still work at the university I can't find any verifiable pictures of him as far as I know we have no idea this person actually exists under that name.

oh well it seems you have fallen off the path. so let me lead you back
https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/485970285254815745

you're not answering Bill's point at all just because you linked to a twitter post.
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I think you're missing the point everybody when you look up Nick Szabo you find nothing verifiable them online I can't find any proof they were still work at the university I can't find any verifiable pictures of him as far as I know we have no idea this person actually exists under that name.

oh well it seems you have fallen off the path. so let me lead you back
https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/485970285254815745
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I think you're missing the point everybody when you look up Nick Szabo you find nothing verifiable them online I can't find any proof they were still work at the university I can't find any verifiable pictures of him as far as I know we have no idea this person actually exists under that name.
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Bitcoin creator is 100% Satoshi Nakamoto or we don't really know? Also how Satoshi Nakamoto and Nick Szabo are related? Do you think Nick Szabo could be the creator of bitcoin?

the bitcoin creator is not Dorian satoshi nakamoto..

the bitcoin creator we simply refer to as 'satoshi'

as for Nick Szabo.........
nick is american taught, and although they were on the same thought process, where nick got maybe 90%+ of the concept, but it was satoshi (different entity) who with other people on the p2p and tech forums finally knit picked the in's and outs of a concept which satoshi (single entity) made into a finalised and workable white paper,
imagine it like a group of people that wanted to solve world hunger some said supplying seeds, some said teach them to fish. but it was satoshi that ultimately came up with the plan to make a farming school that taught and supplied everything to get people started.

it was then satoshi, hal finney and a few others that grouped together to help make  the first versions of bitcoin and slowly more people helped satoshi (the single entity) such as gavin andressen jeff garzik and the other motly crew of devs.

now then.............
satoshi (the single entity) was not a group of people using one name. satoshi was just one person, although others helped under their own names..
satoshis education was british based not american, and although he knew alot of things he didnt know much about linux and that stuff. so satoshi was no Uber god.

all of this stuff can easily be found if people actually looked at the posts by him and not just spread fud and opinion over 500 threads.
atleast read his under 600 posts https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3 to learn a bit about how he talked and what he knew or didnt know, and how he interacted with people.

these FUD threads are a little annoying now
legendary
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oh and by the way nick Szabo had an american education, and satoshi had a british education..

.. should anyone actually bother to do the research rather then create myths that they are linguistically the same.



If Satoshi account was controlled by a group of people, then no specific education applies to that entity.

satoshi's account WAS NOT controlled by a group of people.. will you all please atleast do the god damn research by atleast searching for his posts.. they are well documented.

why oh why are there hundreds of threads on this very topic, yet people are still trying to spout out incorrect theories without any sign of actual investigation
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oh and by the way nick Szabo had an american education, and satoshi had a british education..

.. should anyone actually bother to do the research rather then create myths that they are linguistically the same.



If Satoshi account was controlled by a group of people, then no specific education applies to that entity.
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