Topic: I have $150,000 US dollars and my target is a 10x gain. Stop me going all in now - page 3. (Read 806 times)

Exactly this.
The fact about altcoins has always been that they are ALWAYS getting dumped over the long haul. The ONLY reason why they show gains in terms of USD is because bitcoin price is rising and nothing else.
All of them are useless and majority of them either have unlimited supplies (natural inflation) or enormous supplies which does the same thing.

If bitcoin were to become stable today and remain stable for at least 6 months we would start seeing what the real bloodshed looks like in altcoin market. It should remain stable for long because for short term stability altcoins get massively pumped, for example when bitcoin stabilizes for a month people start pumping altcoins but after that the dump continues and since bitcoin price is stable the altcoin prices in both BTC and USD continues dropping. But luckily for altcoins bitcoin USD price keeps going up and it masks the fact that they are dumping against BTC by showing small gains.

Keep in mind that it would actually be a net gain in altcoins IF their price went up as much as bitcoin price did or more. But when the USD gain is smaller than BTC price rise it shows that the net gain was negative meaning they are indeed dumping.
For example if bitcoin price goes up 10% the altcoin USD price should also go up 10% (remain stable) or 11% (gain value) and higher. But when it goes up 9% or less that shows that the altcoin was actually dumped.

This sounds attractive enough but it has a glaring problem. I'd increase the BTC part to > 50%.

ETH is alright because it has a huge community of developers behind it. It will continue to attract investments.

BNB is mostly centralized and has a figurehead called CZ from Binance. He is a Chinese businessman with no qualms about crypto having a soul. His only motive is profit and he takes shrewd steps to ensure that. Essentially, it is the biggest corporate-linked crypto you can buy today.

Do not know much about THETA and CARDANO.

As far as the timing is concerned, please consider that we are in a bull run right now supported by corporates buying into BTC and DeFi run on ETH/ BNB. This is not the time to go all-in. Invest a part of it now and wait for the next crypto-winter to buy up some more.

Not financial advice. DYOR. This is a VERYYY mercenary space. People will shill you their Alts so that their own bags can pump. On Youtube, you will find videos about "New bull run coming, retail investors coming". You are the "retail investor" these people have been waiting for 3 years. So, please beware.

That is an almost perfect plan, but I suggest him to have some cash for backup just in case if the price of all the investment drops, so he can buy back at a low price. Besides that, if he can have backup money, he will see another chance to buy the other coin, so that can help him to diversify the investment and he can add more coins as the investment. But if he does not want to prepare backup money, that will not be a problem, but I hope he still has more money to cover his daily life.

Don't put all on BTC mate..


150K is good amount I would do something like this:


50K BTC (Will be 1-5 million dollar in the next 5-10 years)
30K ETH Will  likely have better return than bitcoin
30K CARDANO can make you 50-100x within 5-10 years. good tehcnology .  many will dump eth for ada.
20K THETA
20K BNB


This is safe investment. These projects stay for the next 5 years 99%
You will get the best gains rather then just put all in in Bitcoin it has already big Market cap and low roi.

I don't know if the total amount of money you have us the your life time money, if it is, then it's not advisable to use to invest in bitcoin, study shows that a good entrepreneur is an average risk taker, I'm scared of you been a high risk profile person, but I'm happy that you are a patient person that can wait for even 10 years, that's awesome to hear.

Do you know that since 2017 that's approximately 4 years now, bitcoin price was $19,000 if you have bought it that time you would have gotten a profit of $307,000 that's huge right. If bitcoin can give that in 4 years, now let try that in the next four year if btc price be at $90k as the case may be, that would be roughly $82k , is that huge in 4 years? meaning in 10 years will be higher than that. Sure.

It's up to you to decide your investment plan., go for bitcoin alone and not altcoin, if alt, then consider investing in BNB.

Welcome aboard! Congratulations on investing in bitcoin. You have shared your past investment experiences. A return on your equity investments "8%" in an average time of four years. The price of bitcoin on December 16, 2017, was at $ 19,345.49 and today it is for $ 58,724.65 an average of 300% profit only holding bitcoin.
A long-term investment in bitcoin is the most recommended. Don't worry if the price of bitcoin falls due to a correction. Take a look at what possible happened days ago.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninabambysheva/2021/03/15/22-billion-bitcoin-liquidation-may-have-caused-10-correction/amp/

Since you have mentioned already that you have a high risk profile, then it will be up into you if you will go all out in just one set or you will gradually put up investment depending on your chosen time frame. To tell you frankly, no one exactly knows how much you can make after 1-5 years and even 10 years investing with crypto. Only time will tell what can possible to happen when we are already right there in the situation. Also, it is just up into you on what percentage partition you would allot for Bitcoin and Altcoins depending on how you assess the market since you seems like to be showing interest on having both.

From the OP profile I think he is an experienced investor, if he talks about being patient up to 10 years in his investment it is because he could have had an investment in the stock market, which gives profits in 8 to 10 years if he invests in the correct stock.

The profit you can get in Crypto, especially if you invest in Bitcoin, is 3-4 years following the order of Accumulation - Distribution Stage. At the moment the market is experiencing changes that have never been experienced, a pandemic time and in most countries confinement, but it has been proven that this is beneficial for bitcoin, which can give it benefits in the short to medium term respectively, this scenario is very likely.

When you talk about alternative cryptocurrencies you must bear in mind that they all depend on the movement of Bitcoin, that bitcoin is the only currency that has a life of its own, there are many currencies based on very good projects, which are giving a lot of good profits, but you must be careful because in an eventual correction or fall of bitcoin, altcoins radically bleed.

Does anyone here think this l0x gain is very reasonable in a decade?  I dont think that is possible... i think at at best probably 6x?

Invest in Bitcoin for years while expecting 10x is not an idiot strategy because its something alot of people has been over the years but it good to understand the market halving season.

Time horizon doesn't come to play, the market trend is what you need to put into consideration cause the best time to invest is when people panic sell.

Going all in every investment setting is a wrong decision and I will advise you to invest 75K while you set aside 75k to buy more when there's some dump price in the market. Mind you, the first 75K was for long term investment while the 75K is for short/seizing the market opportunity and selling at profit price.

Altcoin are high manipulated coins but since you have a high-risk profile, you can invest 20% in altcoin like BNB (keep on  Binance to get some free coins which you can sell asap), ETH, Link, and DOT.

Don’t go and be withdrawing your old retirement fund just to invest them in Bitcoin, maybe you can go ahead and invest the $150,000 that you mentioned at first, but leave your retirement fund where it is, that’s very important, don’t take much risk more than you can handle when things goes wrong.

Moreover $150 thousand is enough investment , when price goes up you will make enough profit, more than the 8% you have been making in the past eight years as you have said. And I can imagine that the price will be higher than what it is now in the next five years, not to talk of the next ten years.

Right you say, focusing on BTC will give you a more definite advantage...
in the next 10 years, the Bitcoin price will definitely be 5x-7x from the current price, which means that the value of your investment will increase sharply. $ 150k in the capital should be enough to get you a million dollars in the next 10 years.

even you have a risk profile its not make sense if despite you really want to gain in the future instead of losing..  Just forget investing in alts, if you don't want to waste your time in it. instead focus in BTC which for sure can give you good return in the future. As you said you are good at waiting, even 10 years.. So definitely a good decision to invest with it.  Since bitcoin always make a break out every year. Best of luck on your journey bro.

Op, I don't know your financial situation, but if $150k is literally all of your savings, it's already a very solid sum, and why risk losing it? Why not take half of it to spend on something now (in my country, one could buy a great flat in a good neighborhood for that money), and then use another half for this long-term hodling Bitcoin experiment?
Nobody knows how high Bitcoin can go or how low it can fall in the future, but I do think it's likely that we'll see it growing at least 5x over the next few years, so the idea itself might not be so bad. I just don't understand why you'd go all-in if you can enjoy some wealth you've already accumulated AND invest in BTC.

I expect the each halving to have less effect on scarcity than the previous one.

As the inflation becomes lower, halvings matter less. Say 15 years from now, when the block reward drops from 0.78 BTC to 0.39 BTC, it really doesn't matter much. There will be a continuous pressure caused by scarcity, much stronger than it was in 2020, and much more continuous because the block reward becomes so small compared to the amount of Bitcoin in circulation.

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Just a thought: could this at some point force the FED to abandon their inflation goal, and compete for stable purchasing power of the dollar?

Oh, and the real inflation and trouble hasn't even started yet!

Also, from this year on, BTC annual inflation rate will drop for the first time below USD's. This is a historical moment and I think the potential outcome of this or the next halving is absolutely crazy.

I like to put it like this: Every (part of a) Bitcoin I ever sold, would have been worth more now if I would have kept it.
But there are always reasons to sell, in my case it was to pay taxes. I didn't want to risk Bitcoin dropping, while I still have to pay the same amount in tax.

But don't sell all your Bitcoins! I like this 2015 post:
The same argument is still valid, just add a few zeros to the $10,000.

Here's my take, but remember this isn't financial advice!

I would personally NOT recommend to invest in alts at this point. They're all popping up like popcorn and last time I remember this happened, a huge dump vs the BTC parity followed. Should BTC enter a winter crash like 2015, you could just adjust your DCA rather than selling in panic. It's tempting to sell when you see your $150k go down to $15k in a matter of days, but so far BTC has rewarded every single strong hand so why sell?

Investing in alts is a quite bad choice, unless you want to daytrade and play with the oscillating BTC parities. Alts are very, very deceiving because you see $60,000 and then a $0.0001 coin and think: "Should this $0.0001 coin pop, I'll be getting rich!".

If you put all of this with USD parities in a chart, you'd see it's not that bad. Better than your 8 years of waiting, right? Someone invested $1k in the top 10 cryptos back in 2017, on the 31st of December. With USD parities, here's how it looks:


But then, I wondered: what if the guy had invested solely in BTC instead? Well, look at the results. Here's how, the same investment with the same alts but with BTC parities instead of USD, looks as a result:


Yes. Versus Bitcoin, a significant % of the alts had a downfall of over 90%. I'd say it's not worth it. That's unless you're lucky to find a "gem" among all those shitcoins that's bound to increase hundreds of times in price before Bitcoin does.

I like the Bitcoin "Rainbow" Price Chart:


I wish I would have seen it earlier. Obviously, past results are no guarantee for the future, but I've also seen history repeat itself several times.

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Before buying into crypto, make sure you know what you're doing, and know where you're going to store them. Unlike stock, I wouldn't keep Bitcoin with a broker (exchange) for long term. Learn how to keep it safe by yourself.

Nobody knows exact returns you can have, and Bitcoin like everything else have cycles in uptrend and down trend, but with current money printing and inflation I am expecting everything to speed up including cycles.
Best time to invest in Bitcoin would be in downtrend or dollar cost averaging, but my amateur prediction for next 5 years is that Bitcoin could go to $400k but with huge volatility.


Dollar cost averaging is much safer and proven strategy and going all in is much more risky so you need to decide what you want more safety or risk.


I would never do that, I would never sell a house or borrow money from other people just to buy Bitcoin or do anything crazy like that.
This is pure gamble and few years ago it would pay off much more than now.


I would not buy and hold any altcoins now especially that new shit coming out every day, but if you really want it I would keep Bitcoin at 90% and play with rest 10%