Topic: I have $150,000 US dollars and my target is a 10x gain. Stop me going all in now - page 4. (Read 814 times)

all of course convincing that bitcoin is unpredictable and no one can control, so I agree that if someone cannot guarantee what will happen for a long time like the next 5-10 years, because usually only for the halving period, namely Once in 4 years, it can be analyzed from the past halving movements.

as you said that there are indeed many investors from large companies who are currently actively investing their funds for investment in bitcoin, because they think that bitcoin will continue to increase, but until when we do not know because it could be that bitcoin will experience a major correction because all companies and investors give up bitcoin because they feel lucky. then it will happen that the price may go down.

so because bitcoin and crypto in general are unpredictable, of course the risk that will occur could be large, even if it is profitable it is also quite large.

No one can guarantee that in the next 5 or 10 years, bitcoin will return 2x, 3x, or 10x the value you invested today. Bitcoin is a future asset and its price is very volatile. Although institutional investor appear to be providing strong support, there is no guarantee that they will not sell their bitcoin in the next 5 or 10 years. Since anything is possible, you may need to have a good portfolio for your investment. All decision are yours, and I bet people wouldn't dare give you financial advice because cryptocurrencies are full of volatility.

I prefer to suggest to hold bitcoin for 5-10 years later as in the 1-2 years will not moves too often or significant, but I do not know since we can not know what will happen in the next 1-2 years later. If you only care to buy bitcoin, then you can buy and hold and do not think about the volatility of bitcoin price.

You can split your money for six months from now and I think you can get bitcoin at various price which can reduce your average buy price. I do not think that it is better to use all of the money in just one time because we know that bitcoin price will always go up and down, so diversify your order buy in any range of the price will be better.

$300k is a lot of money, but you can use it to invest in bitcoin and you can have many bitcoin. But splitting into 2 parts or more will be better just in case if bitcoin price drops significantly. That will be up to you.

If you want to hold altcoin, you can use 50-50 to buy, but altcoin will be good for short term and not long term. But you can hold it together with your bitcoin for 5-10 years.

All In is risky if you are talking shitcoins .

But With OP's capacity ? clearly accepted that he is a high Risk person and willing to Hold for 10 years?

Bitcoin is the Perfect choice for him and also a Perfect decision to HODL.

1 year holding has no assurance , But 3 years onwards? that means another Halving will be in part so how much we can assess His profit for that long period?

All in is always too risky strategy. It's your choise and all but i wouldn't do that. Keep by yourself at least amount of money that you can live 1-2 months with.

1. You are asking a question no one can answer. You maybe making 2x or 15x in next 10 years, or maybe make nothing and lose everything (highly unlikely but still a possibility). But if bitcoin still exists and is more everyone is more friendlier towards it, then in the long run, you will be making some very good profit!
2. Maybe invest it over the next few months? Every time you see a small dip, buy some to maximize your profit.
3 Do you need to? Even though you have a high risk profile, it is not wise to take risks that might ruin your life.
4. If i were you, I would put most in bitcoin and some in altcoins. Maybe 25:75?

1. $150k is reasonably good amount for 10 years stretch investment, depending on how btc performed from now till 10 years I would say it is very likely you can 5x or more, again nothing is certain.

2. I would invest 50% now and 50% in next few months (only if there will be correction otherwise it could be a lot higher)

3.Better to always have a plan B so won't be advising you to take that route except you are ready to take whatever outcome, it could be at your advantage or disadvantage.

4. Better to go %70 - 30% because as you know alts investment have a higher risk but also a good chance of making high roi than btc, but to be on a safer side a higher % on btc will be much better,  with btc there is less risk and safer.

And lastly, always remember to put in what you can afford to lose,  best of luck with your journey in crypto, Welcome on board.  

1. I would expect price to reach $400k to $500k this year and in 4-5 years reach $1 million so it means 589%-762% in 2021 and 1624% in 4-5 years. But there is no guarantee!
2. I don't usually like cost averaging but since we are in an accumulation phase that there is a chance of seeing dips during these stages you could place some low ball buy orders for a better entry point. You could also wait for the next direction to become clear before you jump in, like seeing the resistance break first.
3. No, never. Going all in is very risky not just because of bitcoin price but you may lose your keys or some disaster like that and lose all your money. It is also always best to diversify.
4. I would never recommend "investing" in altcoins ever simply because I don't see any "long term" potential in any of them. If you are good at day trading and could gain some insight into how to play the pump and dump game (ride the pump and exit before the dump) then you could start trading altcoins with a small amount of bitcoin so that you can increase the amount of bitcoin you own.

Honestly OP, you're the true definition of unsafe risk. Apart from waiting this long to invest in Bitcoin (which you should've done earlier, anyway) you're talking about doubling the initial mapped out $150,000 (which I think it's high risk already at this time). Don't you fear that you may even be buying at the very top just like those who did in 2017 at ATH? Besides, if you're looking at hodling for as long as 10 years why the sudden rush to buy now? Remember, there is going to be a bear rally by next year. I say this from experience. I think you should just keep your $150,000 in a cooler for buy during the bear season or if you must buy now just do a split of that cash into three and invest one part.

1. There's really no way to know how much returns we could potentially get, but 5x over 10 years should be pretty realistic.

2. I prefer doing lump sum investments. I'd recommend lump sum, that is if you know for sure that you wouldn't panic sell if ever a huge drop comes.

3. I wouldn't go that far honestly. I have quite a high risk profile myself, but withdrawing a retirement fund is just straight-off irresponsible.

4. "High risk profile" is still a huge spectrum. Two people with "high risk profiles" could still have far different allocation percentages. I'm afraid this is something that you should decide yourself.

Since you have already mentioned being a High Risk profile so why need to ask about 1-2 and 5 years? why not lets Just talk about the 10 years estimated Profit?

- Bitcoin had increased Its Value since 11 years ago to thousand and thousand % increase.

- Bitcoin had Proven recovering from the Deepest fall to the highest gain.

- So now How much would you expect Bitcoin  reached up to 10 years?

I am Looking for surely more than 1 million dollars each?

it's full of guru and other influencers ready to track the next record of bitcoin by a short period of time.
I think you can just forget their predictions, because 99% are just wrong. Ok price can increase after "some" time but when? and meanwhile price can collapse drastically?
I mean, in the past we have seen strong collapse in the value after touching ATH.
Select a wrong time for make an investment, it's a wrong move able to erase any profit or it can requires months or years to achieve a profit.
I don't think go "all in" in this phase is a wise solution. Price has already seen a skyrocket increase (500% in one year). Ok we are all bullish but this not means price can growth with the same ratio in another year (or two...)

About retirement funds... if these funds give you a future pension it's better save for this. If you feel confident exchange a small part...

Last but not least, altcoins suggestion... I made an experiment taking in account some "suggested coins" from this topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-next-100x-1000x-coin-2106360 "The next 100x or 1000x coin",
(people here trying to guess/suggest the coin that could receive a big pump during end of 2017 early 2018)

At December 2020, it means after 3 years, I get following results:
13,18% Reported a positive evaluation.
10.83% Reported a 0 (total loss)
the others just negative results (prices go down).

(full post here https://www.publish0x.com/bitbollo-cryptocurrencies-blog/a-depth-analysis-of-bitcointalkorg-speculation-thread-the-ne-xpnnjwq )

Ok some altcoins have a positive outlook in a long run. But this is around 1 each 9 project!
Slightly better, 1 each 10 project can be a COMPLETE FALL (0 value!).
Even a positive result doesn't mean a better result then bitcoin itself!

To be fair with you, if you are to invest in bitcoin right now, I am pretty sure that you will earn a really big interest when you hodl for a long time, maybe you can multiply that investment tenfold in 10 years time or maybe not, you said that you have a high risk profile so I don't you don't have to worry about it, just invest because you will never know that next day the prices are higher.

Hi there,

First, a little about me.  I am a first-time investor to crypto.  However, I have had a few stocks (Roth IRA stuff) and tech stocks and overall have made the average 8% return over about 8 years.  I now have 150,000 to scrape together.

Principles:  I have a high risk profile.  I am patient up to 10 years.  I could buy and hold.  I do believe this 2021 is a once in a lifetime year.  The gains next cycle will be much less in 4 years.
I do believe that earlier is always better.  Did I say I have a high risk profile?

I have a few specific questions and I know it's just your opinions.

1.  Starting today on April 10, 2021 if I invested 150k in bitcoin, how much do the gurus expect me to have in 1, 2, 5, and 10 years?  Like would any idiot who just invested today and didn't sell expect a 5x increase within the next 10 years?
2.  I would use dollar cost averaging, but over what time horizon?  Invest 150k over the next six months?  Or just invest it all today since we all know it's going up?
3.  I could withdraw the old retirement fund and get the initial investment up to 300k.  Would you go all in using that?  I would not have much of a backup plan for retirement if this is the case, but like I said I have a high risk profile.  I do believe this is once in a lifetime.
4. If I want to pursue some alt coins, and again, I have a high risk profile, what % mix would you recommend?  33% alt-coins and 66% bitcoin, or 50-50, etc? 


Thank you!!