I have a better solution to the illegal alien issue. Let's jail the employers.

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Quote from: giantdragon on March 07, 2017, 10:42:05 PM

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But at present, the US population is growing at a rapid pace, naturally. The births still outnumber the deaths by around 1.4 million.

This may be true for some short period of time, but in long run it will follow fertility rate. BTW, most growth comes from latinos and not whites.
In Western Europe the same situation - most births comes from immigrants.

But then the question is, what is the need for further immigration, when the population is already growing by 1.4 million per year? IMO, the government should improve the living condition of those who are already living in the US, before bringing millions of third world citizens to the country.

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Quote from: GreenBits on March 05, 2017, 02:06:47 PM

Wandering through the board today, soaking in all the delicious, xenophobic hate, something occurred to me. Since American outcry at illegal immigration is based in 1)they took our jobs and 2) they are bad hombres, let's examine why illegal aliens are here in the first place.

To work.

Last time I checked, you need a job to work. And in the Good Ole U S of A, it's illegal to hire undocumented workers. So, why aren't we arresting the people that are committing treason by hiring these guys? T

What an incredibly rational and logical idea!

You know why it doesn't happen? Because employers have money and they contribute to political campaigns. And the US Political system is one that needs to be bought into rather than simply voted for upon the good of the people.

And you're so right in the idea of if Trump really wants MAGA, his version, to be reality, he needs to stop his catering to the special interests, traditional politicians, and corporations. He needs to deploy laws that make logical sense - note that building a wall is not one of those ideas, not in the age of airplanes, boats, tunnels, and ladders.

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Quote from: giantdragon on March 07, 2017, 10:42:05 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 07, 2017, 09:59:28 PM

But at present, the US population is growing at a rapid pace, naturally. The births still outnumber the deaths by around 1.4 million.

This may be true for some short period of time, but in long run it will follow fertility rate. BTW, most growth comes from latinos and not whites.
In Western Europe the same situation - most births comes from immigrants.

Open question to all the white males on here. How do you feel about this? I noticed a lot of commentary in the blogs I read, I was not aware that some of White America is afraid that minorities will outbreed them. I think everyone will be mudbloods eventually, this is what the Lord intended (check out hybrid vigor if you think I'm a loon). But as a majority that is threatened by multiple minorities, can someone genuinely explain how they feel, that has an opinion on the matter?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 07, 2017, 09:59:28 PM

But at present, the US population is growing at a rapid pace, naturally. The births still outnumber the deaths by around 1.4 million.

This may be true for some short period of time, but in long run it will follow fertility rate. BTW, most growth comes from latinos and not whites.
In Western Europe the same situation - most births comes from immigrants.

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^^^^^ The fertility rate in the United States may be well below the level needed for replacement. But at present, the US population is growing at a rapid pace, naturally. The births still outnumber the deaths by around 1.4 million.

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Quote from: SameHow on March 07, 2017, 06:34:39 PM

This is a problem created specifically for Europe to be distracted from other worries in the world, and has already begun to take care of its life. At such rates, Europe will remain a settler for the Syrians.

United States have similar demographics if count only whites.

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Are you ready to give up career and part of income to improve demographics, so West countries won't need immigrants?! Grin

Tell me, what's a career? Show me one example when the immigrants took your job? They are always the least paid places that don't want to take the locals. Charges migrants is a provocation and manipulation.

I mean giving your career to raise own children, so we don't need to accept immigrants to compensate bad demographics.

For the Germans the problem of demography was standing in the 70s. That is why in Germany at that time there were Turkish migrants. Now it is one of the most numerous migrant groups. The problem with the Syrian migrants are purely humanitarian roots.

This is a problem created specifically for Europe to be distracted from other worries in the world, and has already begun to take care of its life. At such rates, Europe will remain a settler for the Syrians.

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Quote from: giantdragon on March 07, 2017, 02:05:01 PM

Are you ready to give up career and part of income to improve demographics, so West countries won't need immigrants?! Grin

Tell me, what's a career? Show me one example when the immigrants took your job? They are always the least paid places that don't want to take the locals. Charges migrants is a provocation and manipulation.

I mean giving your career to raise own children, so we don't need to accept immigrants to compensate bad demographics.

For the Germans the problem of demography was standing in the 70s. That is why in Germany at that time there were Turkish migrants. Now it is one of the most numerous migrant groups. The problem with the Syrian migrants are purely humanitarian roots.

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Quote from: Casanova18 on March 07, 2017, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: giantdragon on March 07, 2017, 02:05:01 PM

Are you ready to give up career and part of income to improve demographics, so West countries won't need immigrants?! Grin

Tell me, what's a career? Show me one example when the immigrants took your job? They are always the least paid places that don't want to take the locals. Charges migrants is a provocation and manipulation.

I mean giving your career to raise own children, so we don't need to accept immigrants to compensate bad demographics.

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Or what? The people claiming for any reason what so ever that one should not deport illegals are against the concept of Nation States, the concept of law, the concept of borders, the concept of the sovereignty of states, and a plethora of other concepts.

If you argued against these concepts on a basis that is not 'omg the poor people looking for a better life' hogwash that most people are brainwashed into thinking, you would be seen as an absolute lunatic. And you know it.

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Quote from: BigBall on March 07, 2017, 09:25:53 AM

I dont want that kind of aliens in my country and they will leave my country forever because we dont need them Tongue

Are you ready to give up career and part of income to improve demographics, so West countries won't need immigrants?! Grin

Tell me, what's a career? Show me one example when the immigrants took your job? They are always the least paid places that don't want to take the locals. Charges migrants is a provocation and manipulation.

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Quote from: BigBall on March 07, 2017, 09:25:53 AM

I dont want that kind of aliens in my country and they will leave my country forever because we dont need them Tongue

Are you ready to give up career and part of income to improve demographics, so West countries won't need immigrants?! Grin

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I like strategy but why call them alien Grin

I call myself sometimes alien.I dont want that kind of aliens in my country and they will leave my country forever because we dont need them Tongue

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 07, 2017, 01:02:02 AM

OK... I have no objection about prosecuting the employers who willfully employ the illegal aliens. But what about the illegals who lied to their employers about their legal status? As far as I know, the Obama administration refused to deport even those illegals who forged the documents.

Migration policy is the responsibility of the state. The employer is only the employment relationship. People did the work and got paid for it. Why the employer needs to take on the responsibilities of the immigration service?

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Criminals have become very innovative these days. What if they are using the fake ID of someone who is unemployed?

More likely some unemployed hobo will sell his data to fake docs makers for a bottle of beer Grin

Even if someone does that, the law enforcement authorities may not be able to prove that he did it intentionally. E-verify is not a fool-proof system. If you want to make it fool-proof, then add retina scan and finger-print scan.

It seems to me that if there is something valuable behind this protection, nothing can stop an attacker, even a fingerprint or a scan of the retina.

Yeah you'rr right. It would be hard for any company to determine if the applicant is illegal or not. Its very easy to fake documents. Though i think that some of these companies are deliberately accepting them even if they know its not legal or they don't have proper documentations and paper. The government can only crack down on these immigrants i think as i don't see them giving sanctions to big companies

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OK... I have no objection about prosecuting the employers who willfully employ the illegal aliens. But what about the illegals who lied to their employers about their legal status? As far as I know, the Obama administration refused to deport even those illegals who forged the documents.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 04:00:24 AM

Quote from: giantdragon on March 06, 2017, 01:10:43 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 05, 2017, 11:54:43 PM

Criminals have become very innovative these days. What if they are using the fake ID of someone who is unemployed?

More likely some unemployed hobo will sell his data to fake docs makers for a bottle of beer Grin

Even if someone does that, the law enforcement authorities may not be able to prove that he did it intentionally. E-verify is not a fool-proof system. If you want to make it fool-proof, then add retina scan and finger-print scan.

It seems to me that if there is something valuable behind this protection, nothing can stop an attacker, even a fingerprint or a scan of the retina.

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Quote from: giantdragon on March 06, 2017, 01:10:43 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 05, 2017, 11:54:43 PM

Criminals have become very innovative these days. What if they are using the fake ID of someone who is unemployed?

More likely some unemployed hobo will sell his data to fake docs makers for a bottle of beer Grin

Even if someone does that, the law enforcement authorities may not be able to prove that he did it intentionally. E-verify is not a fool-proof system. If you want to make it fool-proof, then add retina scan and finger-print scan.

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Eventually all races are going to mix. Might take a few thousand years.

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