I have a raspberry, I buy the raspberry from myself, how much money do I make?

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Quote from: aseev on February 16, 2023, 01:15:01 PM

Another word - diversification...

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Quote from: Fortify on February 17, 2023, 02:58:56 PM

From your very first sentence it seems you don't actually have much of a clue how the stock market works in reality...

I wish I never encounter such a disgusting, god forsaken, rampant, brutal and bs market. Btw mistake is made, lesson learned. I wish the future generation having better luck on not getting financially ruin by even more of this "old man tricks" pump and dump market and more and more horror stories come across all over the news or confession. But it’s not easy, good and decent and innocent human being are often fall victim into such tricks, just as easy as how they fall into the love poison in real life. Look thing is new when many still easily fall prey into it in 2000 and 2008, causing 9/11 incident and lehman, which is just a revenge in disguise.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 16, 2023, 07:33:46 PM

Tesla stock was priced around $130 close to a month ago.

Today its priced at $200. An investor could conceivably have bought TSLA a month ago and came near to doubling their money within 30 days...

Looking at the stock price make me very angry. I no longer give a damn about all the stock market. After the mass migration from stock trader into crypto some years ago, I can see the old stock forum I frequent now look like a wasted town, and the scammers who took my money now are living in disbelief and very salty, despite all the stock still have very high price, but I finally see the point, the high price do not commend anything. Without gambler like me, the stock forum and the stock broker would slowly but surely suffer a downward spiral, and eventually collapse and disappear altogether with the forum and the stock exchange go offline, just like a nature of a business which going downhill once they have done their clown show.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

I have a raspberry, I buy the raspberry from myself at $5, two days later, I sell the raspberry to myself at $10, another two days later I buy the raspberry from myself at $15, two days later I sell the raspberry to myself at $25, how much money do I made?

But he see the price of raspberry getting going higher and he got greedy. Contradict to popular belief, stock market can never go to zero, despite having no real buyers, you would die but stock market won’t die, stock market would keep buying to themselves until eternity, the stock would always have price and never at zero. But it’s not zero sum, it is also not waste of time, it is also not useless and produce nothing of value.

The financial guy can see the full picture, but non financial guy can’t see it, non financial guy like professional doctor teacher lawyer accountant engineer are usually the one who gambling on the stock market, it is baffling, and they think they’re impressive and very hostile. Winner focus on winning, loser focus on winner.

Also because I buy and sell to myself, I am the house in this game, if he got greedy and play my game, he is not the house and may not win.

But should you invest in stock market? I dunno, you can try to beat the house.

From your very first sentence it seems you don't actually have much of a clue how the stock market works in reality. Also, the fact that you think the stock market is gambling makes you one of the "non financial guys" who needs to learn a lot more before commenting on it. There are plenty of large companies out there which make profits year after year. If Coca Cola sold one hundred million bottles of coke last year and has grown 5% each year for 20 years straight, then it's quite probable that they might grow another 5% this year or at the very least sustain their profits at the current level, profits which are paid out at least partially to the stock owners - the shareholders. It's not rock science and it's only risky when you buy into companies with little history or profits.

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Something needs to turn into cash first before it could have a value, anything that has zero value on the market will have zero price as well. I could sell myself a raspberry for a million dollars if I want to, if it has no value in the market then it means it worths zero.

Same goes for bitcoin, you could "sell" yourself a bitcoin for a million dollars, but nobody will buy bitcoin for that much money from you, which means that it's not going to work for you at all, it is going to be an issue. So for something to have any worth, we have to say that it has to have buyers, that is what you can understand from this thought experiment, it's just simple as that.

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Do you think the dev teams who own a huge percentage of the tokens in the tokenomics of thier altcoins also play the house?
There were several altcoins that have been held for a long period of time and I see prices growing but they also plunge deeper during the bear market. One would wonder why it goes that low when the devs are very trusted.

It's really a waste of time holding and waiting for the pump again when they are also waiting for holders to sell since they are the ones also who decides who'll win.

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Quote from: adaseb on February 16, 2023, 01:07:21 PM

... You need to sell to someone else for it to be a valid transaction...

I have had the answer to this, but I decide to reserve it for the very final show.

When I’m the house in this game, getting a buyer isn’t a concern, I rephrase getting a buyer doesn’t need to take any efforts, house always win, it doesn’t matter getting buyer or getting seller, house is above the market, it’s above the buyer market, it’s way above the seller market, house is the king maker who decide even who can be the buyer and seller, the ultimatum of the game who have the final judgement. In the eye of a house, both buyer and seller are treated as a 4D chess player, buyer being the black player, seller being the white player, doesn’t matter black or white or buyer or seller, as a house I decide who win the game, all at my wills, also they’re all at my mercy and disposal, whether you’re buyer or seller you can’t ridicule my final judgement no matter how hard you try.

Is it crazy thought? Not so crazy for a house, but very crazy thought for a trader, because trader can never be the house and think the same.

I believe many have the answer to it at their mind at this point. I would still like to see how many can see the picture, without me giving complete hints. I can expect many can’t see it since they’re too obese with poor mindset.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

Contradict to popular belief, stock market can never go to zero, despite having no real buyers, you would die but stock market won’t die, stock market would keep buying to themselves until eternity, the stock would always have price and never at zero.

If there are no real buyers, then the real value of the shares are 0.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

Also because I buy and sell to myself, I am the house in this game, if he got greedy and play my game, he is not the house and may not win.

But should you invest in stock market? I dunno, you can try to beat the house.

Tesla stock was priced around $130 close to a month ago.

Today its priced at $200. An investor could conceivably have bought TSLA a month ago and came near to doubling their money within 30 days.

Image link: https://i.ibb.co/XV6cT7f/tsla.jpg

Of course, they would have needed to brave many negative press articles published on Elon Musk, twitter and tesla to have a chance of buying the stock at that rock bottom price. Which is one of the hardest things to do with investing as many good trades run contrary to rumor mills and media.

I thought hard about buying tesla when I saw it close to $120 but got distracted and forgot about it.

There are still good opportunities in stocks. Although, I don't think that a always be in the market type of mentality is a good strategy to have in bear markets such as our current one.

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Quote from: adaseb on February 16, 2023, 01:07:21 PM

If you are buying and selling to yourself it doesn't matter. You need to sell to someone else for it to be a valid transaction. Its why some people want $1M for their home and they list it for $1M but nobody will buy it when the market rate is $750K.

Its no different with people asking $10K for some 1995 Honda Civic with 300K miles. Sure you can even ask $100K for it. However until someone actually buys it, it doesn't change the market value for that particular item.

One of the main problems is that people think of the stock market as a speculative marketplace where people try to sell stuff higher than they bought (like in the crypto space). Stocks are not collectibles, their price doesn't depend only on supply and demand, they are pieces of companies that you own and that make money. Stocks appreciate in value because companies appreciate in value. When Nvidia was a small company its stock had little value. Now when it is a dominant player in GPUs the stock is worth much more, because that piece of the company from before is much larger and makes much more money.

Stocks are nothing like raspberry, houses, or Hondas.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 16, 2023, 12:56:32 PM

One word, bankruptcy.

Another word - diversification.

That's why it is important to not put all your money in one asset (hint, hint) or one sector. All businesses will go to zero only due to a global cataclysm, and, as o48o said, it would be the least of our problems.

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If you are buying and selling to yourself it doesn't matter. You need to sell to someone else for it to be a valid transaction. Its why some people want $1M for their home and they list it for $1M but nobody will buy it when the market rate is $750K.

Its no different with people asking $10K for some 1995 Honda Civic with 300K miles. Sure you can even ask $100K for it. However until someone actually buys it, it doesn't change the market value for that particular item.

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Quote from: o48o on February 16, 2023, 08:15:45 AM

How is that a popular belief...

One word, bankruptcy.

Stock go to zero when a company goes bankrupt, which is too often, too many company goes bankrupt on the US stock market, it’s countless to think of, all over news with proof of bankruptcy. You goes to zero and commit suicide for accrued loan, companies didn’t die and can’t goes to zero, thank for playing the game.

Quote from: o48o on February 16, 2023, 08:15:45 AM

If you believe... why wouldn’t you buy stocks...

NOPE, stock isn’t much easier than a full time coach. It take as much stress. As much emotional and financial energy to a full time job to invest stock, and still get paid borderline poverty wage. It’s just not for me to work so hard for it, and the Wall Street enjoy all the fruit of my labour to trade stock.

muh make passive income from stock, stress free, and without efforts, free money!
Good luck believing on that bs. I don’t believe on leaving money on someone else custody and expect they won’t steal it for personal gain. Everyone cheat, politician, businessman, religion, broker, banker, man, lgbt, jew, professional such as lawyer teacher accountant, dog and cat, animal etc.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

Contradict to popular belief, stock market can never go to zero,

How is that a popular belief? This is the first time i've heard it and i can't even find people claiming that by googling it. Can you link me an example where people say it will go to zero because only reason i can thnk of it happening is end of civilization. And if that will happen stock market is least of our worries.

Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

But should you invest in stock market? I dunno, you can try to beat the house.

If you believe in growth of the business or in other ways want to be part of it because you like it, why wouldn't you buy stocks from it?

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Quote from: bettercrypto on February 15, 2023, 04:54:21 AM

In your illustrative explanation... convey in this forum...

...want to control it but they can't do it and they really can't...

Control freak has got their eyes on the crypto, that’s totally something out of my mind, nobody would have believe that priori to 2020.

Also remember there is nothing new about shilling your own raspberry, a lot of people has been shilling their own old coins collection since for ago, but the practice has just took a new level, now it’s shilling itself on the internet.

Also I never include an answer to the question. So I would tell you here directly, despite the raspberry soar from $5 to $25 on perception, I didn’t make a single profit out of it, yup totally ZERO profit, it’s intriguing the price has changed but no profit is being made, which sound like what the Warren Buffett like to boost about magical compounding effect, I called it bullshit, the growing number is just an old man tricks to fool little kids, while trap them and enslave them financially, talk about someone with ulterior motives for their action.

Quote from: SquallLeonhart on February 15, 2023, 03:44:09 PM

Basically the mindset is that stock markets are already controlled by a few big companies...
...could destroy your portfolio and then get all the profits later on.

I don’t care what are other talking about, they’re trying to push their on belief which for me I think is very bad because I don’t want to get near with religion, religion always ended up with them getting conned there is no exception through the history every religion conned it’s worshipper, every damn religion, I can name a lot but you can conveniently just search in the internet. But I’m strongly convinced "front-running" is the new tool on the town for the hot boy to play with, they’re nearly always he house when they can front run anyone else in this trading game system.

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Quote from: Solosanz on February 15, 2023, 04:07:00 AM

... I wouldn't want to explain more because it would become a conspiracy or an assumption.

If you ignore it and stay silence on the topic, you are indirectly enriching the rich, while impoverished the middle classes, I don’t blame you for your own decision, but it’s always important to guide someone who is lost in the meaning of life, I had seem plenty of people who suffer midlife crisis, because they feel cheated in life.

Basically the mindset is that stock markets are already controlled by a few big companies, and then there are smaller hedge funds that ride their tails, but that is about it. This is why you and I can't make a big profit in the long run if we do it ourselves, we need to give our money to them so they can get their cut, if we do not, then there will be plenty of people who lose money because they can't hold long enough.

There is a reason why people say "market could stay illogical longer than you can stay solvent" and this is one of the reasons. Basically rich people get together and make moves that could destroy your portfolio and then get all the profits later on.

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Quote from: Solosanz on February 15, 2023, 04:07:00 AM

... I wouldn't want to explain more because it would become a conspiracy or an assumption.

If you ignore it and stay silence on the topic, you are indirectly enriching the rich, while impoverished the middle classes, I don’t blame you for your own decision, but it’s always important to guide someone who is lost in the meaning of life, I had seem plenty of people who suffer midlife crisis, because they feel cheated in life.

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Quote from: Broly46 on February 13, 2023, 04:37:11 AM

I have a raspberry, I buy the raspberry from myself at $5, two days later, I sell the raspberry to myself at $10, another two days later I buy the raspberry from myself at $15, two days later I sell the raspberry to myself at $25, how much money do I made?

But he see the price of raspberry getting going higher and he got greedy. Contradict to popular belief, stock market can never go to zero, despite having no real buyers, you would die but stock market won’t die, stock market would keep buying to themselves until eternity, the stock would always have price and never at zero. But it’s not zero sum, it is also not waste of time, it is also not useless and produce nothing of value.

The financial guy can see the full picture, but non financial guy can’t see it, non financial guy like professional doctor teacher lawyer accountant engineer are usually the one who gambling on the stock market, it is baffling, and they think they’re impressive and very hostile. Winner focus on winning, loser focus on winner.

Also because I buy and sell to myself, I am the house in this game, if he got greedy and play my game, he is not the house and may not win.

But should you invest in stock market? I dunno, you can try to beat the house.

In your illustrative explanation, you are just indicating to this industry that there is a big difference between Centralization and Decentralization, Manipulator vs Decentralization, that's what you want to convey in this forum.

We know that in exchanges here in the crypto space this is the cycle that happens. That's why with Bitcoin many countries want to control it but they can't do it and they really can't, so other countries just ride the trend, like the saying of others "If you can't beat them, Join them"...

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Stock is centralized, that's why manipulation is possible to happen even though the stock market are get controlled about the maximum price of the stock can increase and decrease in a day. Buying a stock means you're need to trust both of the security exchange and the company you invested your money.

This is why Bitcoin is exist, it's used to combating against centralization which already become a biggest issue in this world. I wouldn't want to explain more because it would become a conspiracy or an assumption.

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Quote from: davis196 on February 15, 2023, 03:25:50 AM

...how the Tesla stocks prices ...
...I don't know what exactly you are trying to say in this forum ...
..."the biggest fool" theory...

It’s exactly what is happening right now. Is it important to know this? You can’t be rich if you don’t know this, that’s whole reason why middle classes are poor people today, clearly it’s too important to ignore completely. Of course I know what’s the impact when too many people learn this tricks, when everybody buy their own raspberry and flip the price to higher, the entire society would collapse, the money value would plummet, the hardworking group of middle classes would stop working for money, a bunch of de-civilisation would take place, think of Greece in the making on real-time. Greater fool theory? Tbh, it’s a bit misleading, nobody is fool when it come to money, it’s when anybody can be fool when belief in the religion, anybody can become mindless cattle when they believe it’s a honour to die for fighting the wars.

There is too many lies behind this revelation...

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I have a raspberry, I buy the raspberry from myself at $5, two days later, I sell the raspberry to myself at $10, another two days later I buy the raspberry from myself at $15, two days later I sell the raspberry to myself at $25, how much money do I made?

Congratulations. You have successfully explained how the Tesla stocks prices have increased 12 times in about 3 years(before going down). Grin

I don't know what exactly you are trying to say in this forum thread, but it is well known that many companies can artificially pump their stock prices by getting loans and buying them back from the shareholders. There was a term for this financial operation, but I don't remember it. Maybe it was called "financial leverage" or "leverage buy back".
Your example isn't completely correct because a market cannot consist of only one person. You need at least two people. Grin

This has something to do with "the biggest fool" theory. A financial asset costs as much as the highest price that a fool could pay. Grin

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