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Topic: I just got hacked - any help is welcome! (25,000 BTC stolen) - page 8. (Read 381810 times)

legendary
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Thanks for the guide. So, the wallet.dat file doesn't have to be "connected" to the internet, ever, to deposit money into it?


No, it doesn't.  A user can create a new wallet.dat file on an unconnecte machine (by installing and starting the client, then shutting the client back down safely) copy the receiving address that the client produces onto any medium, copying the wallet.dat file onto a cheap thumbdrive, put the thumbdrive into a safe, and send coins from his mybitcoin.com account to the receiving address into the indefinate future.  This is pretty much what I do for my long term savings, as I have just such a setup.  I have a special address in my mybitcoin.com addressbook called "savings" that I send my overage to, and I don't have to take my thumbdrive out of the safe to do it.

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What about withdrawals?

This requires the wallet.dat file.

do u ever worry about consolidating all ur coins onto one address in the blockchain?  what about a collision? 

i know this has been discussed a zillion times but what if the gov't decides to brute force the top 10 btc address holders? 
newbie
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You should force the authorities to investigate this. If they refuse to, get a reason out of them.

Anything of value is taxable, even barter. If they refuse on the basis that this isn't worth anything, then they can't claim to tax it either. It's either worth something or it isn't - they can't have it both ways.

Nice try, but in most countries (if not all) this doesn't work that way. You are dealing with 2 different entities, law enforcement and the tax office. They both interpret the law the way that suits them best.
legendary
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legendary
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I do not want fame, I just want to find whoever it is that stole them and bring them to justice, and if I can regain my foothold in the bitcoin economy great, if not I'll have to think hard about whether this is all worth it for me...what can I really do next? Can I still start a bitcoin business, no, because nobody would trust me. One momentary slipup and one's reputation is ruined. There are no second chances when it comes to irreversible currencies.

If you didn't want noteriety (different from fame), you probably wouldn't have started this thread as dramatically as you did.  It's a shame what happened to you, if it did, but if I have something stolen from me, I don't run to a world wide public forum and announce it.  I work with a few trusted individuals, maybe try and figure out what happened, and then go to the authorities with my evidence.

Perhaps hiring a professional forensic investigator, versed in Bitcoins.  Perhaps reach out to the Developers and offer to pay them to assist you in tracking things down.

All of the transactions are in the Block Chain, write scripts to alert you every time (and how much) of the money moves and to where, so you can keep an eye on the funds.  Eventually, the coins have to hit a legitimate entity, otherwise they're worthless.  Work with that entity to figure out who sent them the coins, then work backwards. 

I think the most rational thing to do is to focus on making money the usual way - work, invest in crap, and pray that the financial system does not collapse. I don't know really. I'm not yet decided what role bitcoin will play in my life from this point on.

That's always been the way it would work long term. 

I know, now that I see what has come of this (me opening this thread) I shouldn't even bothered. Some people came forward with offers to help me (and I'm working with them now - you know who you are and I greatly appreciate the help from the bottom of my heart) and that's why originally I started this thread. I had this naive notion that the bitcoin community would rally around me and help me locate the thief...

I did offer to pay anyone who can help me recover the funds.
legendary
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what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?
It is not just feasible, it is very likely.  I checked a random generation block from the transaction in block explorer.  It was generated at 2010-03-12.  Those days a few khash/s was enough to generate multiple blocks every day.

True. I had the client running with the generate function ever since I heard about bitcoins.
legendary
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You should force the authorities to investigate this. If they refuse to, get a reason out of them.

Anything of value is taxable, even barter. If they refuse on the basis that this isn't worth anything, then they can't claim to tax it either. It's either worth something or it isn't - they can't have it both ways.

I will and I am..going through standard channels is a slow and laborious process. I'm afraid by the time I even get somewhere the thieves would've sold all the BTC and I'll be pretty much screwed.

legendary
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allinvillain you have not responded to my question.

what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?


I did not/do not own a mega farm. Didn't anyone read that I was one of the very first miners? It was much easier to generate coins back then.

My current "farm" is comprised of several 5870 cards.  Nothing fancy.
legendary
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member
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I do not want fame, I just want to find whoever it is that stole them and bring them to justice, and if I can regain my foothold in the bitcoin economy great, if not I'll have to think hard about whether this is all worth it for me...what can I really do next? Can I still start a bitcoin business, no, because nobody would trust me. One momentary slipup and one's reputation is ruined. There are no second chances when it comes to irreversible currencies.

If you didn't want noteriety (different from fame), you probably wouldn't have started this thread as dramatically as you did.  It's a shame what happened to you, if it did, but if I have something stolen from me, I don't run to a world wide public forum and announce it.  I work with a few trusted individuals, maybe try and figure out what happened, and then go to the authorities with my evidence.

Perhaps hiring a professional forensic investigator, versed in Bitcoins.  Perhaps reach out to the Developers and offer to pay them to assist you in tracking things down.

All of the transactions are in the Block Chain, write scripts to alert you every time (and how much) of the money moves and to where, so you can keep an eye on the funds.  Eventually, the coins have to hit a legitimate entity, otherwise they're worthless.  Work with that entity to figure out who sent them the coins, then work backwards. 

I think the most rational thing to do is to focus on making money the usual way - work, invest in crap, and pray that the financial system does not collapse. I don't know really. I'm not yet decided what role bitcoin will play in my life from this point on.

That's always been the way it would work long term. 
legendary
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You could get 15 minute famous, go on a reality show, sell the movie rights. Probably worth something Smiley

Promo idea: Oprah hides 10 BTC under every audience member's chair.

I do not want fame, I just want to find whoever it is that stole them and bring them to justice, and if I can regain my foothold in the bitcoin economy great, if not I'll have to think hard about whether this is all worth it for me...what can I really do next? Can I still start a bitcoin business, no, because nobody would trust me. One momentary slipup and one's reputation is ruined. There are no second chances when it comes to irreversible currencies.

I think the most rational thing to do is to focus on making money the usual way - work, invest in crap, and pray that the financial system does not collapse. I don't know really. I'm not yet decided what role bitcoin will play in my life from this point on. I'm still mining, but hmm, I know that I'll never ever make close to what I had stolen in a lifetime mining.
legendary
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https://bitmynt.no
what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?
It is not just feasible, it is very likely.  I checked a random generation block from the transaction in block explorer.  It was generated at 2010-03-12.  Those days a few khash/s was enough to generate multiple blocks every day.
sr. member
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allinvillain you have not responded to my question.

what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?

He was supposedly a miner back when the difficulty was very low.
staff
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allinvillain you have not responded to my question.
what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?

Look at the inputs to that transaction. The blocks are quite old. No megafarm was required.
full member
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You should force the authorities to investigate this. If they refuse to, get a reason out of them.

Anything of value is taxable, even barter. If they refuse on the basis that this isn't worth anything, then they can't claim to tax it either. It's either worth something or it isn't - they can't have it both ways.
hero member
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allinvillain you have not responded to my question.

what kind of mega-farm did u own in order to produce 25k btc from your start date you mentioned?
has anyone done the math on if this is feasible or not with the difficulty jumps?
member
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So, any ETA on when this pity-party is over?

Just wondering.

Or a police report, you know, if it is actually real. (or not).



5 days, hundreds of posts and all this news coverage but no police report shown...interesting.  Another thing, none of the news articles have any statements from law enforcement of any kind...almost like this forum is the only basis for the stories.

Because it is...

Anyone know how to stop the forum from showing me this thread has been updated in my "Show new replies to your posts".  I want off this crazy train.
full member
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So, any ETA on when this pity-party is over?

Just wondering.

Or a police report, you know, if it is actually real. (or not).



5 days, hundreds of posts and all this news coverage but no police report shown...interesting.  Another thing, none of the news articles have any statements from law enforcement of any kind...almost like this forum is the only basis for the stories.
legendary
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So, any ETA on when this pity-party is over?

Just wondering.

Or a police report, you know, if it is actually real. (or not).

jr. member
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Merit: 1
How does me going to the media help me in any way? What are they going to do?

You could get 15 minute famous, go on a reality show, sell the movie rights. Probably worth something Smiley

Promo idea: Oprah hides 10 BTC under every audience member's chair.

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Aren't bitcoin idealists usually anarchists?

Aren't anarchists those people blowing stuff up? I'm sure it was dem anarchists starting some big war.

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Allinvain, you have not responded to the best solution I have seen so far regarding your predicament.

This is a terrible idea. Technically, as time passes it will require exponentially more work traversing the chain (enough mixing an you'll end up with a travelling salesman like problem).

If that somehow was no problem, it could be abused for market manipulation. Blacklist a sufficiently large enough number of coins, value of the rest goes up. If you have no mechanism to unlist them (after 'catching a thief' for example), you have just destroyed coins. If you do, then that can be used to manipulate the market in the opposite direction (inflation).

If this was largely accepted, a government could use it as a de facto standard, publish a list on a website which could be automatically used by a client, and you basically have a central bank like market manipulation tool. You also have a tool that will give any well orgazined entity the power to destroy opponents (freeze their holdings).

If this was only accepted on a case by case basis, it would end up as a public popularity contest of sadder than sad stories, and may the best (media backed) actor win. In other words, it would propagate duplicity and propaganda.

Lastly, any address publication on websites and clients looking at this diminishes the whole idea behind decentralization.
legendary
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That really sucks. You could have bought 2.5 pizzas with that.

Yeah or 1.5 houses and 1.2 cars Sad...fuck!

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