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legendary
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rippleFanatic
November 19, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
#51
After seeing so many people disagree, I just wanted to say I agree with the OP. Those who were here in 2011 saw a quick bust of a bubble. That is not the time-scale it usually happens on, and it already dealt quite some damage. A long bust of a speculative mania can be quite destructive.

But if it is about ideology, there's not much reason to be distressed by this. Bitcoin is just a tool, replaceable and one of many potential solutions. If it really is superior, it will survive anyway. If not, chances are it wasn't fit for the job in the first place. Time will tell, but one way or another, it is just one of many battles against insane financial policy. And Bitcoin alone can't win that war anyway.

Also, sane policies would render Bitcoin entirely redundant. Value can be stored in gold and cheaply transferred via banking -- at a better computational order than Bitcoin offers. If the efficient combination of the two classic methods weren't suppressed, Bitcoin could hardly compete.

So don't fret; let's enjoy the show and be curious how it turns out in the end.

Ya'll better listen to this man. Vandroiy is a legend, he won a 5,000 BTC bet that pirate would go bust. FYI.


...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

Wait, so your argument is only relevent to 0.001% of the bitcoin community, and yet its also a pending disaster? There's a contradiction in your logic..

You presume that the true "underlying concept" is a "genuine alternative currency model". I deduce that bitcoin's killer app is as a speculative investment vehicle (offshore tax-free) for gambling on price fluctuations.


If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.

There was never a coherent plan initially. Gavin was the main guy promoting bitcoin as a payments currency and solution for merchants, pooh-poohing "buy low sell high". But the market has clearly chosen bitcoin based on a quite different value proposition.


Yep, that's exactly right.

Revans, I suggest you read this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mb27q/bitcoins_vast_overvaluation_appears_caused_by/cc7i6y8

It lays it out quite nicely.

Good post, I pretty much agree.
hero member
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November 19, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
#50
Well, well what a surprise old 'revans' has popped his head up today.

Usually he only pops up on correction days to say 'told you so', then when it goings up again promptly disappears.  Cheesy

Regular as clockwork.  Cheesy

And boring as hell ... Roll Eyes
 'ignore' activated
sr. member
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November 19, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
#49
Well, well what a surprise old 'revans' has popped his head up today.

Usually he only pops up on correction days to say 'told you so', then when it goings up again promptly disappears.  Cheesy

Regular as clockwork.  Cheesy

I've been posting fairly consistently, through rises and falls.
full member
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November 19, 2013, 09:52:18 AM
#48
If you were invested for the idea and not the money, then you wouldn't care so much what the value was.

Many people here reading and researching how to make a quick buck, then pretend they are all about the concept.
legendary
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November 19, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
#47
Well, well what a surprise old 'revans' has popped his head up today.

Usually he only pops up on correction days to say 'told you so', then when it goings up again promptly disappears.  Cheesy

Regular as clockwork.  Cheesy
hero member
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November 19, 2013, 09:24:17 AM
#46
I think you are going to be the first one to make it to my ignore list based on pure stupidity.

Usually it takes something rude, or dramatic, or obvious trolling, lies to manipulate the market etc.

I wish you well in the future...I hope you either find your personal footing in bitcoin or go away and stop dumbing down this forum with your posts.
sr. member
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November 19, 2013, 09:12:01 AM
#45
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.


I see. BTW, how has ripple been working out for you?


It's an interesting system, bit too early to say much more.
newbie
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November 19, 2013, 08:35:01 AM
#44
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.


I see. BTW, how has ripple been working out for you?
legendary
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Bitcoin
November 19, 2013, 08:32:26 AM
#43
If you see the Chinese investments in buildings, then you may see clear of Chinese madness.

May I add : Chineese are being told by their govt that BTC are good, and this same govt invite their citizen to pile BTC for savings.. My guess, within a year, maybe a bit more, China will own more than 25% of existing BTC and the China govt will call "We no more trade in USD for international trade, we now trade in Gold and Bitcoin"..

Just my guest

Dont forget that Chineese are buying for saving/speculation.. Arbitrage with other currency than Yen is quite difficult, as the chineese govt enforce strong capital control and it's really hard to move Yen outside of China.  So, China is pilling tons of BTC like they are pilling gold for more than a decade..

Imo, they already are the more powerfull economically, they keep good relation with US just because US is still the more powerfull on the millitary side !

legendary
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November 19, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
#42
After seeing so many people disagree, I just wanted to say I agree with the OP. Those who were here in 2011 saw a quick bust of a bubble. That is not the time-scale it usually happens on, and it already dealt quite some damage. A long bust of a speculative mania can be quite destructive.

But if it is about ideology, there's not much reason to be distressed by this. Bitcoin is just a tool, replaceable and one of many potential solutions. If it really is superior, it will survive anyway. If not, chances are it wasn't fit for the job in the first place. Time will tell, but one way or another, it is just one of many battles against insane financial policy. And Bitcoin alone can't win that war anyway.

Also, sane policies would render Bitcoin entirely redundant. Value can be stored in gold and cheaply transferred via banking -- at a better computational order than Bitcoin offers. If the efficient combination of the two classic methods weren't suppressed, Bitcoin could hardly compete.

So don't fret; let's enjoy the show and be curious how it turns out in the end.
legendary
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Bitcoin
November 19, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
#41


I'm sure we're going to have a major correction at some point, but it won't destroy bitcoin.

hmmm.. I dont expect a single BTC under 500 ever !

In month to comes, pricing will switch to mBTC everywhere, and the wheel will continu to climb the hill.. inevitable it is Smiley
legendary
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Varanida : Fair & Transparent Digital Ecosystem
November 19, 2013, 05:29:03 AM
#40
If you see the Chinese investments in buildings, then you may see clear of Chinese madness.
legendary
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November 19, 2013, 04:31:04 AM
#39
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



When I first heard of Bitcoin, I thought it was an ingenious anti-establishment venture, and I decided that I was going to put 500GBP into it just to support the venture....but I never did.

Around the time of the first Bitcoin Crash (July 2011), when some US politician very kindly publicised Silk Road, I was right on it, with hundreds of Bitcoin passing through my hands in exchange for manner of exotic mind altering substances. At this point, I seen the huge potential of a highly liquid digital asset, anonymous enough to be used for transactions in Class A substances (and also much more nefarious items no doubt). I thought at this point, (Bitcoins ~ $10 USD), that I was going to put a few grand into the coin as a wild card investment that may just pay off, but I never did.

Then the March/April 2013 came around. I was holding only 2 Btc in my wallet. I called it out as a bubble as Btc passed 50 USD, and never got involved (again, much to my personal chagrin). I witnessed the hubris on this site and other sites, full of clueless tools with their cowcrap paradigms of what was driving Bitcoins. Then April 14th came around, we know what happened. I viewed the whole phenomena as hugely destructive to Bitcoin's future as the sort of underground digital currency that I thought it might be, and for this very reason, did suspect that the bubble/crash phenomena was deliberate, and suspected that it would happen again, and again, until one day, it couldn't, or wouldn't be allowed to happen again. I swore that next time, I was going to get and hold until the parabolic stage. I got in, and sold at $330 (again, much to my chagrin), immediately sensing the error of my ways, I tried to get 5K of GBPs wired across to my Bitstamp account. In the week that has went past since (funds still not at Bitstamp), Bitcoin has doubled. Now, after the parabolic and erratic behaviour today, there is no fkn way am I putting a penny of my hard earned dosh into Btc. If history is anything to go by, the top could be 300% of profits away from me getting cold feet and turning bearish, but the crash will come and it will once again, be hard.

Next time around, after the crash and the price begins to show stability at a certain level once again, I will be diving into Bitcoin with a sizeable proportion of my personal capital, and will see how long I can ride the waves before cashing out like a little pussy some 300-400% from the top.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.

This is your brain on drugs.

lol.

That was some sad rambling sack.

But at least he is starting to believe.
sr. member
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November 19, 2013, 04:19:43 AM
#38
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



When I first heard of Bitcoin, I thought it was an ingenious anti-establishment venture, and I decided that I was going to put 500GBP into it just to support the venture....but I never did.

Around the time of the first Bitcoin Crash (July 2011), when some US politician very kindly publicised Silk Road, I was right on it, with hundreds of Bitcoin passing through my hands in exchange for manner of exotic mind altering substances. At this point, I seen the huge potential of a highly liquid digital asset, anonymous enough to be used for transactions in Class A substances (and also much more nefarious items no doubt). I thought at this point, (Bitcoins ~ $10 USD), that I was going to put a few grand into the coin as a wild card investment that may just pay off, but I never did.

Then the March/April 2013 came around. I was holding only 2 Btc in my wallet. I called it out as a bubble as Btc passed 50 USD, and never got involved (again, much to my personal chagrin). I witnessed the hubris on this site and other sites, full of clueless tools with their cowcrap paradigms of what was driving Bitcoins. Then April 14th came around, we know what happened. I viewed the whole phenomena as hugely destructive to Bitcoin's future as the sort of underground digital currency that I thought it might be, and for this very reason, did suspect that the bubble/crash phenomena was deliberate, and suspected that it would happen again, and again, until one day, it couldn't, or wouldn't be allowed to happen again. I swore that next time, I was going to get and hold until the parabolic stage. I got in, and sold at $330 (again, much to my chagrin), immediately sensing the error of my ways, I tried to get 5K of GBPs wired across to my Bitstamp account. In the week that has went past since (funds still not at Bitstamp), Bitcoin has doubled. Now, after the parabolic and erratic behaviour today, there is no fkn way am I putting a penny of my hard earned dosh into Btc. If history is anything to go by, the top could be 300% of profits away from me getting cold feet and turning bearish, but the crash will come and it will once again, be hard.

Next time around, after the crash and the price begins to show stability at a certain level once again, I will be diving into Bitcoin with a sizeable proportion of my personal capital, and will see how long I can ride the waves before cashing out like a little pussy some 300-400% from the top.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.

This is your brain on drugs.
legendary
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Borsche
November 19, 2013, 03:00:36 AM
#37
revans You do understand that the sharp corrections are caused by people like you (well, people with your mindset but with money)? Those who don't really think bitcoin's value is in the 5-6 digits and try to sell each "peak". If it werent for your scared types, we might have just grown to where it belongs and stayed there. But herd mentality makes getting used to new high prices hard, so scared people run to the exits at the first sign of weakness. But it won't be like that once we reach 10-100k per coin, it would more or less then steadily grow at 5-10% yearly. You just need to exit the market since you're weak, for several years preferrably.
newbie
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November 19, 2013, 01:36:50 AM
#36
What we are witnessing is the only way bitcoin could go from zero to hero. Each bubble crash cycle will get more people involved increasing the overall skillset. Yes, many will abandon after the next crash, just like they did after the last two. But not all, so the number of people using it as currency will grow. This pattern is now very obvious to anyone who has been watching for long enough. A better question is whether there is a term for this phenomenon and whether it has been studied before or is unique to bitcoin.

I do not mean to say there is zero chance bitcoin becomes useless sometime soon, but if it does it will not be for reasons of volatility and speculating.
hero member
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November 18, 2013, 11:49:29 PM
#35
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



You have not been correct in any one of your predictions thus far. Why don't you give it up already, troll?
sr. member
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November 18, 2013, 11:42:55 PM
#34
Even theoretically there will never be more than 21 million Bitcoin. In order it to became even relatively adopted money the price will have to go to the "ridiculous" heights.


But that isn't going to happen, get off the kool aid. Bitcoin isn't really seeing wider acceptability as a day to day currency,  but there is a lot of effort going into making it a better tool for speculation. Like I say, it will end badly.

We will see about that.
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November 18, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
#33
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.


u suck

hero member
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November 18, 2013, 11:33:45 PM
#32

Yep, that's exactly right.

Revans, I suggest you read this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mb27q/bitcoins_vast_overvaluation_appears_caused_by/cc7i6y8

It lays it out quite nicely.

Great post. Thanks for sharing.
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