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November 18, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
#31
I find it ironic how you complain about the profit seekers when you yourself are trying desperately to buy low and sell high. I would think that someone who is truly interested in bitcoin as a potential revolutionary technology would at least buy and HOLD a decent amount of bitcoins no matter what.

As my post states, Bitcoin lost any such potential quite some time ago.
legendary
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November 18, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
#30
When I first heard of Bitcoin, I thought it was an ingenious anti-establishment venture, and I decided that I was going to put 500GBP into it just to support the venture....but I never did.

Around the time of the first Bitcoin Crash (July 2011), when some US politician very kindly publicised Silk Road, I was right on it, with hundreds of Bitcoin passing through my hands in exchange for manner of exotic mind altering substances. At this point, I seen the huge potential of a highly liquid digital asset, anonymous enough to be used for transactions in Class A substances (and also much more nefarious items no doubt). I thought at this point, (Bitcoins ~ $10 USD), that I was going to put a few grand into the coin as a wild card investment that may just pay off, but I never did.

Then the March/April 2013 came around. I was holding only 2 Btc in my wallet. I called it out as a bubble as Btc passed 50 USD, and never got involved (again, much to my personal chagrin). I witnessed the hubris on this site and other sites, full of clueless tools with their cowcrap paradigms of what was driving Bitcoins. Then April 14th came around, we know what happened. I viewed the whole phenomena as hugely destructive to Bitcoin's future as the sort of underground digital currency that I thought it might be, and for this very reason, did suspect that the bubble/crash phenomena was deliberate, and suspected that it would happen again, and again, until one day, it couldn't, or wouldn't be allowed to happen again. I swore that next time, I was going to get and hold until the parabolic stage. I got in, and sold at $330 (again, much to my chagrin), immediately sensing the error of my ways, I tried to get 5K of GBPs wired across to my Bitstamp account. In the week that has went past since (funds still not at Bitstamp), Bitcoin has doubled. Now, after the parabolic and erratic behaviour today, there is no fkn way am I putting a penny of my hard earned dosh into Btc. If history is anything to go by, the top could be 300% of profits away from me getting cold feet and turning bearish, but the crash will come and it will once again, be hard.

Next time around, after the crash and the price begins to show stability at a certain level once again, I will be diving into Bitcoin with a sizeable proportion of my personal capital, and will see how long I can ride the waves before cashing out like a little pussy some 300-400% from the top.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.

I find it ironic how you complain about the profit seekers when you yourself are trying desperately to buy low and sell high. I would think that someone who is truly interested in bitcoin as a potential revolutionary technology would at least buy and HOLD a decent amount of bitcoins no matter what.
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November 18, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
#29
The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.


No even this bubble and big crash will help adoption of Bitcoin. People will spend more coins when they know price can crash big anytime...

Just holding is speculation
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November 18, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
#28
but if bitcoin was $1 how would I buy my new yacht?

its $16 million, and there are only 11 million something BTC?

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November 18, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
#27
You cant destroy Bitcoin. Even with 1$/BTC you can still use it as f*cking BITCOIN

Truer words seldom spoken.
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November 18, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
#26
There's nothing quite as depressing as watching the whole explosive bitcoin price increase the last several days and having all my bitcoins tied up in Coinlenders.  Hope you all bought a while ago when it wasn't nearly this expensive, and didn't invest badly as I did.
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November 18, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
#25

My my, how pretentious. How could you possibly imagine that you know why we are here.

Had he said 99.99% of the capital in Bitcoin is purely chasing speculative profit, he would probably be not far of it.
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November 18, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
#24
Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.


Wrong.

Your lexicon betrays your true motives...market cap; ffs

If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.

Wow you need to re-charge your brain. Evil speculators are the only reason you made your post, because without them bitcoin would still be IRRELEVANT and nerds would still be buying pizzas for 10,000btc. I agree with you that bitcoin is more important than getting rich, and this process of eclipsing the USD by an utter magnitude is proof positive that the philosophical position is the correct one. If bitcoin can't survive this terrible run-up then it's DOOMED anyways.


It seems impatience is the curse of the age.

The value would rise slowly and steadily as ubuquity and retailer acceptance grew. The problem is people want their revolution to happen overnight, and this ultimately curses their ambitions.
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November 18, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
#23
Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.


Wrong.

Your lexicon betrays your true motives...market cap; ffs

If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.

Wow you need to re-charge your brain. Evil speculators are the only reason you made your post, because without them bitcoin would still be IRRELEVANT and nerds would still be buying pizzas for 10,000btc. I agree with you that bitcoin is more important than getting rich, and this process of eclipsing the USD by an utter magnitude is proof positive that the philosophical position is the correct one. If bitcoin can't survive this terrible run-up then it's DOOMED anyways.

Yep, that's exactly right.

Revans, I suggest you read this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mb27q/bitcoins_vast_overvaluation_appears_caused_by/cc7i6y8

It lays it out quite nicely.
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November 18, 2013, 08:22:04 PM
#22
For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

My my, how pretentious. How could you possibly imagine that you know why we are here.
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November 18, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
#21
Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.


Wrong.

Your lexicon betrays your true motives...market cap; ffs

If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.

Wow you need to re-charge your brain. Evil speculators are the only reason you made your post, because without them bitcoin would still be IRRELEVANT and nerds would still be buying pizzas for 10,000btc. I agree with you that bitcoin is more important than getting rich, and this process of eclipsing the USD by an utter magnitude is proof positive that the philosophical position is the correct one. If bitcoin can't survive this terrible run-up then it's DOOMED anyways.
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November 18, 2013, 08:13:45 PM
#20
Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.


Wrong.

Your lexicon betrays your true motives...market cap; ffs

If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.
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November 18, 2013, 08:11:55 PM
#19
...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



When I first heard of Bitcoin, I thought it was an ingenious anti-establishment venture, and I decided that I was going to put 500GBP into it just to support the venture....but I never did.

Around the time of the first Bitcoin Crash (July 2011), when some US politician very kindly publicised Silk Road, I was right on it, with hundreds of Bitcoin passing through my hands in exchange for manner of exotic mind altering substances. At this point, I seen the huge potential of a highly liquid digital asset, anonymous enough to be used for transactions in Class A substances (and also much more nefarious items no doubt). I thought at this point, (Bitcoins ~ $10 USD), that I was going to put a few grand into the coin as a wild card investment that may just pay off, but I never did.

Then the March/April 2013 came around. I was holding only 2 Btc in my wallet. I called it out as a bubble as Btc passed 50 USD, and never got involved (again, much to my personal chagrin). I witnessed the hubris on this site and other sites, full of clueless tools with their cowcrap paradigms of what was driving Bitcoins. Then April 14th came around, we know what happened. I viewed the whole phenomena as hugely destructive to Bitcoin's future as the sort of underground digital currency that I thought it might be, and for this very reason, did suspect that the bubble/crash phenomena was deliberate, and suspected that it would happen again, and again, until one day, it couldn't, or wouldn't be allowed to happen again. I swore that next time, I was going to get and hold until the parabolic stage. I got in, and sold at $330 (again, much to my chagrin), immediately sensing the error of my ways, I tried to get 5K of GBPs wired across to my Bitstamp account. In the week that has went past since (funds still not at Bitstamp), Bitcoin has doubled. Now, after the parabolic and erratic behaviour today, there is no fkn way am I putting a penny of my hard earned dosh into Btc. If history is anything to go by, the top could be 300% of profits away from me getting cold feet and turning bearish, but the crash will come and it will once again, be hard.

Next time around, after the crash and the price begins to show stability at a certain level once again, I will be diving into Bitcoin with a sizeable proportion of my personal capital, and will see how long I can ride the waves before cashing out like a little pussy some 300-400% from the top.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.
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November 18, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
#18
Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.
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November 18, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
#17
It's not going to destroy bitcoin, long term these values are still peanuts. So if you believe bitcoin will succeed it doesn't matter whether bitcoin will crash again soon or not, it has happened many times before and it's all part of the growth phase. People who bought in high will just have to be patient, just like those who bought at the $266 high back in April. Smiley

Psychologically it is rather different to ride out extreme volatility when you are an early adopter whose Bitcoin holdings maybe cost a few hundred dollars versus those who have thousands tied up. This is a fundamental truth Bitcoiners don't seem to grasp. There is now a lot of invested capital propping up Bitcoin, and if that capital is threatened it will be withdrawn.
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November 18, 2013, 08:05:19 PM
#16
You cant destroy Bitcoin. Even with 1$/BTC you can still use it as f*cking BITCOIN
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November 18, 2013, 08:02:39 PM
#15
It's not going to destroy bitcoin, long term these values are still peanuts. So if you believe bitcoin will succeed it doesn't matter whether bitcoin will crash again soon or not, it has happened many times before and it's all part of the growth phase. People who bought in high will just have to be patient, just like those who bought at the $266 high back in April. Smiley
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November 18, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
#14
I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.

And a goddamn awesome buying opportuity.


Which will simply start the process of building a bubble again. If any currency is to succeed it needs to be part of people's daily lives, used for paying for goods and services.
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November 18, 2013, 08:00:01 PM
#13
This was said about the previous 2 bubble-crash cycles as well.

Those were arguable the result of poor exchange architecture. I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.
No, they weren't. I was here, so I should know. We crashed in the past because the bubbles popped. Then, people blamed the most recent "bad thing" as the cause. Just watch, the same will happen here.
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November 18, 2013, 07:57:56 PM
#12
I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.

And a goddamn awesome buying opportuity.
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