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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 AM

It was me, and I really think the answer should be "yes".
This user deserves a permaban.

I have long thought that users like this have nothing to look for in the forum, but my opinion is worth almost nothing. If someone has been terrorizing the forum for months and one excuse is enough to undo it all, do you think offering a service that could be used to plagiarize will mean perma-ban? I may be wrong and the decision has not yet been made, but the matter was quickly swept under the rug with another apology and deletion of the content in question.

Quote from: HCP on January 26, 2020, 04:25:59 PM

What's worse... The drug user (plagiarist) or the drug dealer (person supplying the text spinner tools to the plagiarist)? Huh

Plagiarism is undoubtedly much worse for the forum, such cases are not called into question when it comes to perma-ban, but is there a case when someone got a perma-ban because he/she offered services that could help create plagiarized content?

Quote from: worldofcoins on January 26, 2020, 05:50:10 PM

Merit he got on his primary post from a global moderator is the good proof that he's forgiven at least for shilling part.

By this logic, he was forgiven for another mistake, the content in question may have been deleted by the same global mod who merit his sincerely apologize.

There is one saying that could apply here : "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"

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Quote from: Lucius on January 26, 2020, 10:01:25 AM

I suppose all this will be quickly forgotten, and the topic about text spinning service has already been deleted. -snip-

It won't be that easy to forget. even if the topics containing spinning, spam and plagiarism are deleted the data will still exist and people will mark the member as a former spammer.
if every member who commits a spamming violation is forgiven just by deleting the post, maybe a lot of people will do that.
what can be done to improve everything is to make a good contribution to the forum by becoming a good poster so that mistakes can be redeemed by becoming qualified members.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on January 26, 2020, 11:55:14 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 AM

This user deserves a permaban.

Plagiarism is considered as a sin in some regions and you need to face court of law if you are found in it. On this forum, there is zero tolerance policy for plagiarism and i hardly seen anyone being giving a second chance if he found guilty. OP will be extremely lucky if he survives here.

It's not proven that he plagiarized and instead of being permanently banned and making thread from another account he's actually apologizing for upfront, which is very rare.
Merit he got on his primary post from global moderator is the good proof that he's forgiven at least for shilling part.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 26, 2020, 10:01:25 AM

Someone asked if offering such a tool was the same as plagiarizing, and so far the answer is no.

What's worse... The drug user (plagiarist) or the drug dealer (person supplying the text spinner tools to the plagiarist)? Huh

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 AM

Someone who not only shares that kind of mindset, but actively encourages it among others by giving away a tool to make it both easier to plagiarize and harder for us to moderate it, is an order of magnitude worse than the plagiarizers themselves.

^^This...

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This user deserves a permaban.

I concur...

A user relentlessly spams the forum with hidden reflinks for months, gets called out... User acts all sorry and promises to put some effort into participating in a meaningful way and making the forum "better"... Then a couple of days later they attempt to sell "text spinning" services so the plagiarists can go undetected??!? Roll Eyes

GTFO!

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 AM

This user deserves a permaban.

Plagiarism is considered as a sin in some regions and you need to face court of law if you are found in it. On this forum, there is zero tolerance policy for plagiarism and i hardly seen anyone being giving a second chance if he found guilty. OP will be extremely lucky if he survives here.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 26, 2020, 10:01:25 AM

Someone asked if offering such a tool was the same as plagiarizing, and so far the answer is no.

It was me, and I really think the answer should be "yes".

theymos has made is views on plagiarizers pretty clear multiple times:

Quote from: theymos on November 17, 2018, 01:49:10 PM

In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute.

Quote from: theymos on December 11, 2018, 03:53:13 PM

I have no respect for anyone who would even think of plagiarizing in the way that these people do. They don't belong here.

Quote from: theymos on May 20, 2019, 05:53:59 PM

If at any point you had a mindset where you'd treat the forum like a dumping ground by worthlessly copy/pasting other people's posts in order to make a tiny amount of money, then my default reaction is GTFO, and you have quite an uphill battle to earn even a 2-year sigban instead. No warnings, no statute of limitations.

Plagiarizers have the wrong mindset. Their mindset is that of using the forum as their own personal "dumping ground" to earn some useless tokens. Someone who not only shares that kind of mindset, but actively encourages it among others by giving away a tool to make it both easier to plagiarize and harder for us to moderate it, is an order of magnitude worse than the plagiarizers themselves.

This user deserves a permaban.

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Quote from: HCP on January 26, 2020, 12:07:43 AM

So, what are the odds this turns into a "three strikes and you're out" situation? Huh

Is this just another case of "I'm really sorry (I got caught)!"?

I suppose all this will be quickly forgotten, and the topic about text spinning service has already been deleted. Someone asked if offering such a tool was the same as plagiarizing, and so far the answer is no. This will soon turn into the story of a cat who has 9 lives, and cheezcarls used perhaps one or at most two of them.

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Quote from: eddie13 on January 24, 2020, 04:44:51 PM

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 24, 2020, 07:32:11 AM

Cool story! I almost believed it.

Something is totally wrong around here!

A few weeks ago a guy came to meta to brag how he got ranked up, and how he earned merit, giving advice and thanking members, turn out he was a plagiarist and ban evader. Now, cheezcarls came and started with another "mea culpa", ask for forgiveness, promises he will change his way, we start feeling good for him and ...this shit happens

It seems that their is not a widespread awareness of the fact that if you stick your head up, or draw attention to yourself around here, your account better be squeaky friggin clean because a ton of users are about to dig your history for anything they can find..

Happens ALL the time..

Remember recently how attention was brought on The-Devil account?
They don't know to keep their heads down and fly under the radar..

The OP created his new thread days after he created this thread. He created that new thread knowing he would have the attention of a lot of people.

This is like putting yourself in the spotlight then trying to break into someone’s house with many people watching.

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So, what are the odds this turns into a "three strikes and you're out" situation? Huh

Is this just another case of "I'm really sorry (I got caught)!"?

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Quote from: Lucius on January 25, 2020, 08:47:21 AM

I accept the fact that it is in human nature to make mistakes, and it is also quite normal to apologize for those same mistakes. But as someone who is from the very beginning involved in this case in a way that I report his posts (almost all stay unhandled), and also participating in a public discussion, I can't get rid of the impression that most of you went over everything very easily.

An honest apology is a result of the ban threat from a global mod, but there had been no reaction before, although I had warned him several times that what he was doing was wrong and against forum rules. I doubt the OP didn't know what he was doing when he was in a paid campaign (positing links in post area), as it is really unbelievable that he offered a text spinning service thinking it was a legitimate service - does this mean that he used the same method in some of his posts?

Its possible. It can be considered plagiarism still if proven. His spinning article services is actually clever, I saw how effective that is by replacing words like "somebody" to "someone", bought/purchased and get/obtain they are good that google bots wouldn't notice it. Its very possible that he does that to some of his posts. I believe there is a software to use his service and its the software that does the replacing.

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I accept the fact that it is in human nature to make mistakes, and it is also quite normal to apologize for those same mistakes. But as someone who is from the very beginning involved in this case in a way that I report his posts (almost all stay unhandled), and also participating in a public discussion, I can't get rid of the impression that most of you went over everything very easily.

An honest apology is a result of the ban threat from a global mod, but there had been no reaction before, although I had warned him several times that what he was doing was wrong and against forum rules. I doubt the OP didn't know what he was doing when he was in a paid campaign (positing links in post area), as it is really unbelievable that he offered a text spinning service thinking it was a legitimate service - does this mean that he used the same method in some of his posts?

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 24, 2020, 04:47:59 PM

I didn't dig up any history

Oh.. Well, it usually happens that way..

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on January 24, 2020, 04:02:04 PM

the crucial lessons on right an(d) wrong.

Have you got a link for that? Cheesy

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Quote from: eddie13 on January 24, 2020, 04:44:51 PM

It seems that their is not a widespread awareness of the fact that if you stick your head up, or draw attention to yourself around here, your account better be squeaky friggin clean because a ton of users are about to dig your history for anything they can find..

I didn't dig up any history, I stumbled upon a new topic on the Services board. That doesn't usually happen 2 days after a sincere apology.

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Quote from: stompix on January 24, 2020, 08:39:45 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 24, 2020, 07:32:11 AM

Cool story! I almost believed it.

Something is totally wrong around here!

A few weeks ago a guy came to meta to brag how he got ranked up, and how he earned merit, giving advice and thanking members, turn out he was a plagiarist and ban evader. Now, cheezcarls came and started with another "mea culpa", ask for forgiveness, promises he will change his way, we start feeling good for him and ...this shit happens

It seems that their is not a widespread awareness of the fact that if you stick your head up, or draw attention to yourself around here, your account better be squeaky friggin clean because a ton of users are about to dig your history for anything they can find..

Happens ALL the time..

Remember recently how attention was brought on The-Devil account?
They don't know to keep their heads down and fly under the radar..

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on January 24, 2020, 04:02:04 PM

Quote from: cheezcarls on January 24, 2020, 03:16:48 PM

Mistakes like this happens okay?

No, not really. It shows the wrong intentions, and that's something that can't be taught here.

It's as if you've missed the crucial lessons on right an wrong. If you can't figure that out on your own, you can't be helped.

What’s next?

‘Oh damn, I didn’t mean to PM people asking for their private keys’.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on January 24, 2020, 03:16:48 PM

Mistakes like this happens okay?

No, not really. It shows the wrong intentions, and that's something that can't be taught here.

It's as if you've missed the crucial lessons on right and wrong. If you can't figure that out on your own, you can't be helped.

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Oh FFS!

Just read back and Loyce has caught him offer a plagiarising service now. Just after I typed a nice complimentary post out, encouraging him too.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 24, 2020, 07:32:11 AM

-snip-

Sigh. This reminds me of the times I merit a good newbie, get suspicious that the newbie is "too good", and then 5 minutes and a few web searches later, end up reporting them for plagiarism.

Given that plagiarism is a permaban, surely giving away a tool to facilitate plagiarism should be a similar punishment?

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Whats up with all the apologizing topics?
This reminds me of something:

Conor McGregor - I want to take this chance to apologize...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Szj21arytU

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