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legendary
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January 16, 2012, 10:10:20 AM
#51
Wouldn't apply in this case.  I'm certain that if Amazon.com sold bitcoins to a Visa customer, Amazon.com would either be able to prove that they sold it to the correct person, or simply didn't engage in the transaction.  Said another way, Amazon.com has the ability to verify that their customers are who they say that they are at the time that they order anything.

That doesnt change the fact that Paypal or Visa would either have to change their policies on currency trading or officially take the stance that bitcoin is not a currency, but a commodity. The implications of that would be significant, as everyone could start accepting credit cards for bitcoins by proving their transaction and identity (using orders that include visa card number signed with their private or something like that).

That's a fair point.
legendary
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January 16, 2012, 10:09:04 AM
#50
This is very cool, and the show was much more 'to the point' than I ever expected. But if all the inquiries being done on amazon are linked to this forum and the amazon person in charge of investigating bitcoins starts at the obvious points, i.e. this forum, how does that look? I seriously hope that many people are doing that as a result of watching the show, but if not...

Anyway, if nothing else, there'll be a huge surge of indian people interested in bitcoins, all of them call center employees Smiley
hero member
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January 16, 2012, 10:07:03 AM
#49
Wouldn't apply in this case.  I'm certain that if Amazon.com sold bitcoins to a Visa customer, Amazon.com would either be able to prove that they sold it to the correct person, or simply didn't engage in the transaction.  Said another way, Amazon.com has the ability to verify that their customers are who they say that they are at the time that they order anything.

That doesnt change the fact that Paypal or Visa would either have to change their policies on currency trading or officially take the stance that bitcoin is not a currency, but a commodity. The implications of that would be significant, as everyone could start accepting credit cards for bitcoins by proving their transaction and identity (using orders that include visa card number signed with their private or something like that).
hero member
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January 16, 2012, 10:05:15 AM
#48
I like the offer of emailing the people who have Bitcoin interest.  I believe that is something they would take note of, as they will want to have a targeted mass marketing email to promote if it were to happen, and the best audience is of course the people who were requesting it.  If you have an Amazon account, ask that they 'note' on your account or whatever it is payment feature request and you would like to be notified when it happens.
rjk
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1ngldh
January 16, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
#47
They are probably trained to tell anyone who asks about anything that they might be added soon, and then forward the idea on whether or not it may actually be added.
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Bitbuy
January 16, 2012, 10:00:40 AM
#46
legendary
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January 16, 2012, 09:59:58 AM
#45

Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly

With paypal or credit card? That would be a laugh!

True, but it would happen.  At least for a while.  Credit cards are not going to just fade away anytime soon.

I think you missed my point. Chargebacks.

Wouldn't apply in this case.  I'm certain that if Amazon.com sold bitcoins to a Visa customer, Amazon.com would either be able to prove that they sold it to the correct person, or simply didn't engage in the transaction.  Said another way, Amazon.com has the ability to verify that their customers are who they say that they are at the time that they order anything.
hero member
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January 16, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
#44

Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly

With paypal or credit card? That would be a laugh!

True, but it would happen.  At least for a while.  Credit cards are not going to just fade away anytime soon.

I think you missed my point. Chargebacks.
hero member
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January 16, 2012, 09:56:43 AM
#43
I wont stop you from nagging amazon, but I think your time would be better spent nagging to smaller online businesses for whom it would also make more sense. Its not like Amazon is going to increase it sales by accepting bitcoins
legendary
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January 16, 2012, 09:54:51 AM
#42

Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly

With paypal or credit card? That would be a laugh!

True, but it would happen.  At least for a while.  Credit cards are not going to just fade away anytime soon.
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Bitbuy
January 16, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
#41
Going to ask them as well, the more people ask, the bigger chance we have of getting noticed.
legendary
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January 16, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
#40
It's not too soon for bitcoin

IMHO it is too soon for Bitcoin.  It is unlikely Amazon shareholders would be happy with "currency risk" associated w/ Bitcoin so any integration would likely be a bitpay like internal system.  

The problem is the market doesn't have sufficient depth to handle even a tiny fraction of Amazon volume.  If Amazon needs to liquidate 10K BTC per day the market couldn't handle it.  

Someday it could.  Someday we will reach a point where 10K buy or sell doesn't even move the bid/ask but we aren't there yet.  



But for Amazon to reach the point where they need to liquidate 10K BTC per day the economy would have to grow significantly from what it is right now in the first place meaning that they *would* probably be able to liquidate 10K BTC per day because there would be that much demand to purchase BTC.

Agreed, people had to buy acquire the 10k btc per day in the first place. Volume shouldn't really be a problem.  

Well that isn't completely true.  There is significant held "wealth" which is held because there is no way to liquidate that without causing dislocations in the market.  Amazon (given they sell essentially everything) would provide a "way out".  

Also even if 10K BTC bought = 10K BTC sold the market doesn't have enough depth to handle that kind of volume.  There is lag between the buy -> amazon -> sell cycle and that is going to cause increased intra-day volatility.  

I am just pointing out even IF Bitcoin is on Amazon "to do" list they will be looking for more market depth.  They likely would even test the market by buying 10K coins and selling 10K coins and seeing how the market absorbs that.  A company as smart as Amazon likely go even further and hire an outside analyst to perform market depth research over an extended period of time before exposing themselves to that volatility.

TL/DR greater market depth and liquidity increases the chance of adoption for a major player.  The good news is market depth and liquidity will continue to grow building upon itself as long as Bitcoin maintains momentum.


It wouldn't just be Amazon though, if they got onboard everybody would. You'd have banks begging to work with the exchanges, of which better ones would have sprung up overnight. That right there would solve the majority of the problems.
hero member
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January 16, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
#39

Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly

With paypal or credit card? That would be a laugh!
legendary
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January 16, 2012, 09:46:22 AM
#38
Wouldn't matter in the least.  Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly, sponsor a separate trading site, or sponsor any of the current market sites and it would instantly become the biggest player over MtGox.  And Amazon wouldn't need to move 10K per day, because it's more likely that the value of bitcoins increases to the point that a thousand per day represents values in the millions of US dollars.  All the metrics are arbitrary except to one another.

If Walmart.com starts taking bitcoin, and selling in in person at their "money services" counter, they would be bigger than Amazon in this respect in very short order; and the value would shoot for the moon.

Bingo
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January 16, 2012, 09:46:12 AM
#37
I am very satisfied with Athul's response Smiley



hero member
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January 16, 2012, 09:42:03 AM
#36


My guy keeps leaving.  Brb
legendary
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legendary
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January 16, 2012, 09:41:11 AM
#34
It's not too soon for bitcoin

IMHO it is too soon for Bitcoin.  It is unlikely Amazon shareholders would be happy with "currency risk" associated w/ Bitcoin so any integration would likely be a bitpay like internal system. 

The problem is the market doesn't have sufficient depth to handle even a tiny fraction of Amazon volume.  If Amazon needs to liquidate 10K BTC per day the market couldn't handle it. 

Someday it could.  Someday we will reach a point where 10K buy or sell doesn't even move the bid/ask but we aren't there yet. 



Wouldn't matter in the least.  Amazon.com could sell bitcoins directly, sponsor a separate trading site, or sponsor any of the current market sites and it would instantly become the biggest player over MtGox.  And Amazon wouldn't need to move 10K per day, because it's more likely that the value of bitcoins increases to the point that a thousand per day represents values in the millions of US dollars.  All the metrics are arbitrary except to one another.

If Walmart.com starts taking bitcoin, and selling in in person at their "money services" counter, they would be bigger than Amazon in this respect in very short order; and the value would shoot for the moon.
donator
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Gerald Davis
January 16, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
#33
It's not too soon for bitcoin

IMHO it is too soon for Bitcoin.  It is unlikely Amazon shareholders would be happy with "currency risk" associated w/ Bitcoin so any integration would likely be a bitpay like internal system.  

The problem is the market doesn't have sufficient depth to handle even a tiny fraction of Amazon volume.  If Amazon needs to liquidate 10K BTC per day the market couldn't handle it.  

Someday it could.  Someday we will reach a point where 10K buy or sell doesn't even move the bid/ask but we aren't there yet.  



But for Amazon to reach the point where they need to liquidate 10K BTC per day the economy would have to grow significantly from what it is right now in the first place meaning that they *would* probably be able to liquidate 10K BTC per day because there would be that much demand to purchase BTC.

Agreed, people had to buy acquire the 10k btc per day in the first place. Volume shouldn't really be a problem.  

Well that isn't completely true.  There is significant held "wealth" which is held because there is no way to liquidate that without causing dislocations in the market.  Amazon (given they sell essentially everything) would provide a "way out".  

Also even if 10K BTC bought = 10K BTC sold the market doesn't have enough depth to handle that kind of volume.  There is lag between the buy -> amazon -> sell cycle and that is going to cause increased intra-day volatility.  

I am just pointing out even IF Bitcoin is on Amazon "to do" list they will be looking for more market depth.  They likely would even test the market by buying 10K coins and selling 10K coins and seeing how the market absorbs that.  A company as smart as Amazon likely go even further and hire an outside analyst to perform market depth research over an extended period of time before exposing themselves to that volatility.

TL/DR greater market depth and liquidity increases the chance of adoption for a major player.  The good news is market depth and liquidity will continue to grow building upon itself as long as Bitcoin maintains momentum.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
January 16, 2012, 09:40:19 AM
#32
Who is sumarjit?

Need coffee! Read it wrong.
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