Topic: I TOO need an urgent loan quickly!!1 (Read 1564 times)

I agree with these points. The only reason for more than 2 accounts is greed.
I personaly have 2 accounts because i have taken loans in the past and had to leave account as collateral, in cases like that you really sort of need a 2nd account to keep up communication.

Probably also i good idea incase you ever have to recover your main account for some reason.

Nothing against you personally BlackSpidy, a lot of peole are doing it and i don't think it's against the forum rules, too hard to police, so till they make it against the rules your free to do what you want.

Hey, jonald_fyookball. I made a post in Meta for the discussion of your possible abuse of the trust system to further your agenda. Be sure to check it out! https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-giving-negative-trust-to-further-an-agenda-abuse-of-the-trust-system-1146992 That's where your questions will be answered.

I'll make a meta post about it soon enough. BTW, this is a throaway account I (BlackSpidy) made, because I already gave my main account as collateral for a trade loan. Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker.

[Edit] that one word.

And for the record, I never claimed to have a legendary account! I said I might sell my Blackspidy account when it reaches legendary status. [/Edit]

what agenda?  anyway I've asked the community for feedback just in case my own judgement is wrong and so far no one has said I've gone too far for leaving you negative trust for account farming.  Have they?   And you still don't think it's wrong, am I correct?  You think it's perfectly ok to create multiple accounts and ask for loans using those accounts as collateral.  Am I correct?

I cant wait five weeks to get a charger. I'm studying to be a computer engineer! I needed this ASAP. But now I only need BTC0.01 for a different reason, also stated here. What I was going to do to get the 0.096 in my wallet was getting the charger you can see how I (at the time I didnt know I could dump the private keys in my wallet without it downloading the whole blockchain) had trouble accessing money that I needed ASAP. I was then going to get 0.02 from an investment in bitbond.com

Investment isnt the only reasonable thing to needing to lend money! I would ask you if you would issue an apology once I repay my (soon to be active) BTC0.01 loan, but I know that people (people like you, possibly) are very quick to judgement and reluctant to retractions. You are the same type of person as the guy that gave me negative trust just to further his agenda.

If you're able to get back the balance by the 15th plus interest, why not do what you were going to do to get that 0.1btc for your charger instead of asking somebody else for money. If you were asking for this loan for investing in something that would've been a different story.

I don't trust OP. Keep your money as far away from him.

OK. Have a nice day 

Now officially we called off my loan proposal after discussing with requester.

I concede point number one. What trading history do I have!? Hmm... None. And I wanted to keep it that way until I lost my charger. But whatever. I concede that scammers might buy an account. That does not make me untrustworth. If l sell a cellphone, and someone does wrong with it, I am not responsible, it's ridiculous to hold me responsible for what someone with bad intent could do with an account. That holds true for any sold accounts, not just "farmed" ones.

Point two: none of the accounts I'm offering as collateral are nor have been in signature campaigns! both the lender and the escrow can confirm that.

Three: same as four. None of my accounts have been in signature campaigns.

Four: buying accounts encourages farming accounts. By tour logic, everyone buying several accounts from a single person is also worthy of negative trust. That is ridiculous, because it's not a reflection upon their trustworthiness, but your opinion of what they should do.

Five: what makes the ranking system so important? You have posted at least once a day since you got here and were here longer than me. A nearly meaningless factoid is what the ranking system is.

Six: that is an assumption. I always try to bring some insight or discussion into the topics I've posted on. The two accounts I bought maybe being the exception. And I am not encouraging others to spam. Also, the ones buying accounts are also worthy of negative trust under this logic.

Seven: another assumption. That's your opinion. You have no idea if my post add to the community or not. I think it's almost impossible to prove that something (other than spam, which I do my best to not do) does not add value to the community. Even posts like "let's count to 21 million in pictures!" might have their charm to some.

re: bolded above

not really.  people creating multiple accounts for the purpose of saying something controversial aren't trying to sell those accounts and aren't advertising them and don't need to use them for sig campaigns, etc.  The system allows unlimited accounts but it doesn't mean it's necessarily trustworthy behavior for all the reasons I listed.

@black spidy: spare me the lecture about how much you want to help newbies.  this is all about you profiting.  as for my motivation, I don't like it when people try to take advantage of a situation.  We are allowed to create multiple accounts but what you are doing (creating multiple accounts for selling or lending) is just selfish.
anyway you already have legendary accounts according to you, so it won't matter if I neg yours.

First time I encounter a moralizing person on this forum. Bet you love giving people shit for stuff that's none of your business. Does it turn you on that some people will distrust of me afterwards, when I complete this loan on time and without issues? Do you like boasting about how you're going to leave negative trust on everyone that makes perfectly rule abiding practices.

And FYI, two of those accounts, I bought. Because I want to help newbies that want to have avatars right off the bat. Ask anyone at wall observer, I love having an avatar

I bet nine of the people saying I'm a scammer will even remember when I complete this loan. Oh, well. It's human nature.

Well several/many/most people have multiple accounts for varying reasons, some to "farm" accounts, some to scam (these are usually called out by BadBear), and some to speak unpopular viewpoints. IMO there is little difference between trying to sell all of someone's accounts that were created with the intent to speak unpopular opinions and trying to sell "farmed" accounts. IMO if you try to stop people from farming accounts, then you are also inadvertently also trying to stop people from creating accounts for the purpose of speaking unpopular viewpoints.

I don't disagree with your conclusion that the OP is a scammer, although I think the reason he is a scammer is because he is trying to pretend to take out a loan when he is really trying to sell the collateral associated with the loan.

There's a fine line between trading your account and creating multiple accounts (farming).
I don't think anyone should be account farming and I will leave negative trust for anyone
who admits to doing so.

There is nothing wrong with selling legendary (or any level) of accounts, as the trading of account is what prevents many people from trying to scam with their account because if it were not for account sales, people would scam  instead of trying to sell their account.

The problem I have with the OP is that I do not believe that he truly intends on repaying this loan.

edit:
I can say that I have farmed accounts in the past, and I was able to develop a reputation for selling very high quality accounts with extremely good post histories. Anyone that I advertised for certainly got their money's worth and then some. Many others that tried to emulate my activity ended up banned because they were not able to sustain my post quality and ended up making largely insubstantial posts.

You absolutely should not rely on "rank" when trying to decide if someone should be trusted or not. At the very least, you should rely on time spent on the forum (either post count - with high post quality -, time spent "online"") but in reality, the best barometer is previous trading history.

In my opinion, yes it is wrong.

Most people should have one, maybe two accounts tops.

Creating accounts just to sell them does the following:

1. allows scammers to buy accounts with history and then scam others.
2. is unfair to anyone not farming accounts who wants to participate in a signature campaign. 
(Why should I get paid once when you can get paid 2 or 3 times)?
3. is unfair to companies running signature campaigns (many explicitly forbid this)
4. encourages others to also farm accounts.
5. makes the ranking system meaningless
6. encourages spammy low value posts just to increase post rank.
7. does not add value to the community.

Is that wrong!? Does that mean I'm not to be trusted? I don't understand what your deal is. I'm being completely honest about everything. I'm not looking to get pulled into drama, I just want to talk about bitcoin, be part of the community.

so you are planning to sell legendary accounts. 

As escrow, I asked him to hold the accounts. I think it the fastest and most convenient way to go about this.

I'm saving these quotes for when I complete this loan on time. I'm not selling or giving anyone any of my (non-main) accounts until they are full members. And I'm *never* selling a main account before legendary.

Wanted to make it public that I was asked, and will be providing escrow for this transaction