Topic: I want law and order back (Read 366 times)

because of this statement i am going to immediately assume you have never experienced discrimination in your life 

it is well known that a lot of police are dirty they sometimes arrest people due to biases (i.e profiling) meanwhile some police favor the rich so if you’re poor they are most likely to arrest you and hold you longer compared to if you were richer

so no, police is not always our friend

Shoplifting in San Francisco is illegal, however stealing less than 950 USD of value during business hours is only punishable as a misdemeanor for the first offense only. Stealing after business hours, or more than 950 USD is burglary and automatically a felony.




.....meanwhile in europe

You will be jailed if you insult r×pists, but they will walk free, even after being convicted.

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Politics stops the progress of the country, because politicians always give priority to their own interests. Because of this, it hinders the development of the country because the political situation around the world has changed and the influence of dirty politics is spreading.  They have taken away the rights of the people to grab power.

You have mentioned before why you think Canada is doing things wrong, and your criticism is understandable, however you also need to keep in mind the context in which someone would look Canada and take it as an example to follow.
Anyone living in an actual third world country would like to see some of the security and law/order a country like Canada has to offer.
By the way, I have seen some news and videos out of the cities in California and the State in New York, certainly the situation is concerning, but you also need  to zoom out and not only to see the concentration of migrants and homeless people in those places, they happen to be the cities in which there is a high concentration of wealth. California itself could run as a country because of the money they generate.

Yes you are correct and to add this is also the reason foolish masses can be easily lockstepped into police state mentality or worse still bringing some dictatorial demagogue to power to "do something about this".

If it wasnt for the law breaker then the tyrant would be powerless. Because there are those who break G_Ds commandments there became a need for kings and judges.

Knee jerk reactions are dangerous and moderate political discourse should never overpowered by fanatics and extremists.

There are many underlying conditions for criminal behaviour from destitution to mental illness but the majority of criminals are simply dishonest and violent.

It is up to the courts to decide who deserves the most serious sentences and to ensure each type sentence gives justice for the victim and incentive for the law breaker to reform while also ensuring there is incentive for someone carrying out their heinous crime to not go from say rape to murder to leave no witnesses. For this reason the heinous crime of rape gets less sentence than murder to give the rapist the incentive not to kill his/her victim.

Experts in the field should decide the best directives but those experts should be not only intelligent but more importantly WISE.

Serious criminals should not be allowed to fraternise in prison EVER. It is laughable that criminals from the same gang or fraternity or violent criminals can associate freely within prisons. It is a mockery to their victims. At best they should be allowed to exercise alone or given the opportunity to attend classes teaching them remorse and be given a copy of the Bible,Torah,Koran or whatever faith they belong to or all of the former and left to theior silence to reflect over time. Then once they have made an honest attempt to atone for their crimes they should be afforded the opportunity of education and work.

They then should be placed in a work programme that actually is gainful providing a service or product for the society or markets and 100% of their earnings goes to their victims in compensation. If they refuse to make atonement then let the maximum sentence apply.

Am sorry to say but am not trying to go against you only clarification is what I want to make. The earlier we know this the better we are. "For the fact that monkey and gorilla claims to be in one family , while monkey is monkey and gorilla is gorilla " Africa is Africa and Canada is Canada. They are very two different countries with everything different and I don't think they can ever be the same. I said this because of what is happening in my society where the law makers are even law breakers. Our leaders here that will even struggle for us to make sure we have law and order in our society are the ones that are the most corrupt people. this police that you are even talking about is number one bribery collector. Infact, if a person becomes a police officer, even most of his family and friends don't want to be close to him anymore due to their behavior. If mistakenly fall into their trouble as little as the problem is, they will just start looking for a way to get the problem bigger so that they will have chance to collect bribe from you irrespective of who you are to them. The exception is just few out of them.

While I disagree that anyone should look to Canada as an example of anything except what not to do, I do agree that people want law and order back. California and New York are basically 3rd world countries when you’re out in public. It terrifies me that these places are the liberal blueprint of what they want our society to be…

After reading the OP I couldn't help but wonder why anyone should be scared of the police when the police is our friend. Why armed forces should be stationed at every nooks and crannies of the state, is OP advocating for a state of emergency in disguise or is he encouraging the the armed forces to intimidate civilians all in the name of maintaining peace and order?? This is obviously not the right way to maintain peace and order in a country. The people should be taught instead to cooperate with the arm forces to maintain peace and order in their environment. Obeying laws and order is the duty of every responsible citizen, offenders should be reported to the police to serve their punishment.

I doubt anyone agrees with someone getting robbed on the street or anywhere else.
But if you're actually looking for armed forces stationed on the streets with dogs ready to pop anyone that walks funny, you could always sell your shit and permanently relocate to some police state where your rights are given and taken at the whim of the "government" in power.

We a have a similar thing here in my country going on, corruption here had become so embedded in society to the point in which the police force does not even feel the shame to ask for bribery before performing their basic duties
I have not read about scientifical studies about corruption reduction, and techniques which could be applied to decrease the degree of perceived corruption within society, but if I was in charge of the police force of my city or region, they first thing I would do could have something to do with the increase of the salaries of those agents of the law, so they have little to no excuse to continue to ask for bribes to do their basic job. The second thing to do would be to enforce extreme punishments for those found to be guilty of corruption, I would go even to the extreme of get people posing as normal citizens and try to bribe or suggest bribery to the police people, as soon as the first ones start to fall and face extreme consequences for their behavior, the rest of the police teams will take note. In cases of institutional corruption, the punishments need to send a message to those even considering to break the law.

Smile 😊 from your tone of writing, you look like an an African. And if you want the African police to behave like the Canadian Police 🚨 then our police force should stop collecting bribe on the streets, roads and even in their offices. How can a police officer stand on the road and collecting money from market people, and transport and private vehicles on the road. In the advanced countries they have standard police force and not like the once we have in the African countries that full with corruption.

Op the government can't set a standard police force in your country because they are all corrupt leaders.

Government are trying their best in making law and order enforcement, this is to help have everything happening in the society under a coordinate environment and well regulated by them, we also have to join in support of all these by giving the government the required help needed by making things works out, this start with how we live and behave in the society, what we do and the responsibility we take for ourself in seeing things work out for everyone in the society living together.

I think the problem depends on many factors, and I fully support the law's intervention in social problems, but it is not enough to deter people regardless of their wrongdoing. Raise everyone's awareness from the beginning, don't let things appear and create new problems looking for excuses from some solution, but that's easy to say because by nature we inherently have all different personalities. So society from ancient times until now is still the same. Not everyone is born with the fullness they need, so different lessons in life always appear. I myself also had my phone stolen while on the way home, but I could only blame myself and think about how pitiful those thieves were. Anyway, each different life situation has many things that we cannot have a general template for.

Law and order is necessary for all countries if there is no proper law and order, the country will deteriorate. Common people should not be surprised by such double-edged statements in the current political culture of the country. Because here even if it is very good one side will say it is very bad and even if it is very bad, one side will say it is very good. Political cultures are such contradictions. Here political parties prefer to blame each other.

Smile, it will be good for every country to become like Canada as you wish but you should also know that Canada is different from other countries, every country has a way they ruling the country, and some countries' laws will even be better than Canada but they won’t take it seriously, the standard of a country depends on how the government rule the country, some countries law may be even more different than Canada but with the corruption of the government the country will not let the laws function, every countries follow their laws and they try their best to make sure things go according to their laws.

It can never be possible that every country in the world should be like Canada, there are things that Canada will like and the other countries will not like, there are things that Canada doesn’t have and some countries have and it will be the reason why they can’t do as the same thing Canada did, every country has the way they rule their country, and there will be a country that is even better than Canada that you don’t know so let just say that you like the way Canada life is and you wish if your country would be better like the way Canada lifestyle is.

Adultery should be punished by whatever law the state that holds it as a criminal offence prescribes. I would recommend it simply being marked on record as a criminal offence and the record of it removed if the cheating spouse is willing to return to the family home until the family is reared if the spouse who was cheated on agrees to it. If the offence is repeated again then the spouse who is cheated on is given the family home and full rights over the family while the repeat offending adulterer is sent on their way alone to live whatever life they choose and only allowed to see their children at the discretion of the spouse who is left to rear the family. Also the serial adulterer should have a fixed % of their income taken from them until the last child is fully reared or something to this effect.

The books of wisdom would benefit even an atheist but the teachings can be used without anyone forced to believe in G-D etc. It is your free choice whether you believe. They are simply invaluable teachings used by many people from all religions and none and prepare people for the real world with real world knowledge unlike learning about critical race theory or gender ideology or other nonsense.



Re: discipline well this is why the US is going to hell in a handbasket because the majority of parents let their children grow up feral or the parents behave irresponsibly and lead with a bad example.

Discipline should be in accordance with the law of each respective jurisdiction and parents should only live in a jurisdiction that allows them to bring their family up in a manner that allows them to become honest decent human beings that don't kill and steal etc no matter how "disadvantaged" they are. There is NO excuse for leading a life that involves murder,robbery and violence against other human beings. There is also no excuse for a society that literally glorifies this behaviour through entertainment etc.

And what would be the punishment for someone who dares to commit adultery, may I ask? Because how it stands now, cheating on your partner is not okey, but it is not an offense in the eyes of the law.
by the way, I assume that you mean the Bible when you talk about "books of wisdom", in that case, What is supposed to happen to children and the youth who go to school and yet thet are of a different religion, like Islam or Judaism?

Finally, depending on the country and jurisdiction, parents can either physically pushing their children or not, in my country parents can, but in the USA , that would be considered to be cruelty or abuse, and the parents could get arrested because of physically disciplining their children.

Lol, so funny the way you put it.

I don't think it's the government Fault for this one, what do you have them do hang every criminal they see on the street, taht woudk be a bad idea, law and oder already exists and is implemented, but bad people keeps getting smarter and corruption, but any way if you know where to walk at night and where not to, you won't be a victim, everyone should help himself by trying to stay safe and be cautious .

I would go even further and make adultery a criminal offence where a family home is broken up and childrens lives turned into turmoil by an unfaithful husband or wife or some other who knowingly who decides it is okay to wreck a home.

I would also add teaching the books of wisdom to children in school and giving back the right to parents to diligently discipline their children if they are stealing, taking drugs or hanging around with bad company etc.

Bad children come mainly from bad parenting and G-Dless societies.

Harm people or enforcing law? There is an important difference between those things, you know. Or are you suddenly in for reforming programs so felons can be reintegrated within society? I doubt it.
It was Trump, back during the riots of the 2020 summer, than rioters were supposed to be shot dead as soon as they started to steal from businesses.

What if the target of the criminal offense is not the government at all, (like what happened in January 6th) but other citizens? would you suggest the state not to intervene and minimize policing and law enforcement to the minimum level possible?
knowing your previous participations here, I would not be astonished if you suggested all people in your country should be their own police officer and carry a gun at all times, abolishing the law enforcement agencies and saving taxpayer money.

what is your take?