I want you to take a good look at this rubbish.

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Quote from: nebulus on March 21, 2012, 01:05:45 PM

What would "this miner" need the IP for anyway?

Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 21, 2012, 09:59:17 AM

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...
Burn the bastard!

Burn the bastard!!!

Ya know, like they used to do with the witches and with people in the know, back then, in the middle age Wink

That "mystery jerk miner" must be using witchcraft Shocked

Burn the bastard, I say!

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Quote from: Jon on March 21, 2012, 03:42:31 AM

I want you to take a good look at this rubbish.

And here I thought this thread was going to be about that tonal-unit rubbish that is included in every single next-test. Thread does not deliver.

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... it only gets better...

What would "this miner" need the IP for anyway?

Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 21, 2012, 09:59:17 AM

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...
Burn the bastard!

Burn the bastard!!!

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 21, 2012, 11:23:51 AM

Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 21, 2012, 09:59:17 AM

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...

Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin.

Harm bitcoin? Please tell me more about the harm he has done.

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^^ The ignore button is highlighted there for a reason...

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I respond to this thread with a high class bear.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 21, 2012, 12:06:14 PM

The problem isn't requiring a fee, it's this miner not including any transactions at all period.

The AGGREGATE FEES determines the compensation compensation relative to the potential cost. AGGREGATE FEES are worthless.

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Part of the compensation is the block reward. And if transaction-less blocks become predominant, it may be reduced significantly.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 21, 2012, 12:03:36 PM

I don't see it as gaming.

The compensation for including transactions isn't worth the cost. Period. Up till now people have "played nice" but any system will be pushed to its limits in the name of efficiency.

Its not gaming it is optimal decision making.

The problem isn't requiring a fee, it's this miner not including any transactions at all period.

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Gerald Davis

I don't see it as gaming.

The compensation for including transactions isn't worth the cost. Period. Up till now people have "played nice" but any system will be pushed to its limits in the name of efficiency.

Its not gaming it is optimal decision making.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 21, 2012, 11:50:43 AM

Miners not including freeloading tx (which protocol doesn't require) = we need a way to track him.

If it were easy for the protocol to require this, it would be included already. Recognizing when someone is gaming the system is not controversial.

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Gerald Davis

Matthew freedom is scary. The honest reality is most people don't want freedom.

They want "freedom" but some entity (usually the govt) to control "other people".

I want to be free but those gayz can't get married. Stop them govt.
I want to be free but drunk drivers are dangerous so it is ok when the govt violates the Constitution to stop drunk drivers.
I want to be free but sex outside marriage is a sin so lets legislate morality (prostitution laws, etc)
I want to be free but drugs scare me so lets make them illegal.

The sum of all of the govt interference and control is merely the sum of the collective will of the people who want to be free ... BUT we need x. Take 300 million people who all have an X they feel needs control and you get a govt which controls/fights/restricts/legislates 100,000 different Xs

Now along comes Bitcoin which is very difficult for the govt to be "the entity" so the same people who want "freedom" need someone to control it.

Stolen coins = we need a blacklist.
Scammmers = we need to be able to reverse transactions.
Lost coins = we need to be able to replace them.
Miners not including freeloading tx (which protocol doesn't require) = we need a way to track him.

Different day same story.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 21, 2012, 11:23:51 AM

Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 21, 2012, 09:59:17 AM

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...

Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin.

Don't you love how ridiculously hypocritical these tards can be sometimes?

"We want anonymity! We want freedom! Hey btw, someone stole my coins. FIND HIM!"

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Quote from: Raoul Duke on March 21, 2012, 09:59:17 AM

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...

Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 21, 2012, 09:43:12 AM

I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings.

Lines like this are why I keep coming back to this forum day after day. Cheesy

precious...

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 21, 2012, 09:43:12 AM

Since it seems people are getting the wrong impression from this pullreq...

It was proposed by a pool member who noticed the mystery jerk miner (making transactionless blocks) was relaying them through Eligius. This handy-but-simple change enabled me to get the real IP of the actual server making these blocks. The objections given herein by other developers are logical concerns, and I have no qualms with the pullreq being closed unmerged.

I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings. However, I consider this to be fairly off-topic in this forum, so don't intend to get into a discussion about it here.

P.S. The point of pull requests is for others to review them...

How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous...
Burn the bastard!

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Since it seems people are getting the wrong impression from this pullreq...

It was proposed by a pool member who noticed the mystery jerk miner (making transactionless blocks) was relaying them through Eligius. This handy-but-simple change enabled me to get the real IP of the actual server making these blocks. The objections given herein by other developers are logical concerns, and I have no qualms with the pullreq being closed unmerged.

I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings. However, I consider this to be fairly off-topic in this forum, so don't intend to get into a discussion about it here.

P.S. The point of pull requests is for others to review them...

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It's not the wrong link, it's just not a claim that needs to be substantiated. Most of us have had enough discussions with luke to know his views already, eg.

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/23

The link in my previous post was just there to illustrate relevance to the topic at hand.

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No need to overreact. I think most of us know luke has some interesting political views... divine right of kings and such.

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/04/14

Seems that you are the troll here, not Luke. I did read the log and there is not a word about "divine right of kings".
The only political views luke expresses there are that you should obey the basic taxation laws of the country you live in, those laws are there for a reason.
So unless you give some other quotes, (perhaps this was the wrong link?), I call troll alert.

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No need to overreact. I think most of us know luke has some interesting political views... divine right of kings and such.

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/04/14

It's better for Bitcoin in the long run to get used to dealing with this sort of thing, even from within the dev group.

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