Topic: I was holding on to Ledger and I got robbed (Read 321 times)

About the pre-seeded, it's possible that if ever someone purchases it with a third party and not directly from the manufacturer. The first/second owner have generated it and will write it down for the fake convenience of the buyer.

And the buyer that has lack of idea of what they've done will not generate new seed but instead will use the preloaded/preseeded recovery phrases.

Before they're good but now, we all agree with that.

What? Is this even possible? Every new hardware wallet came emptied, and every first users are the one to generate new wallet seed, I haven't used Ledger wallet before but I have the same experience running Trezor and Keystone..

Normally Ledger is bad hardware wallet, because they are closed source and many bad things have happened in the past concerning Ledger wallet, I will never advice anyone close to me to buy this hardware wallet.

OP I am sorry for your loss, there is no way to get your assets back and it is not too late to start again, this time you can decide to do it better, go for an open-source hardware wallet, better if it's air-gapped too.

Let it go, do not chase your loss and do not listen to anyone that can promise to help you get it back, it is all gone, some strangers are even using this as a scamming tactics to scam peoole who aren't ready to let go of what theyve lost, don't be a victim.

Crypto transactions can't be recovered if they have been sent already and much worse if it's gone through an exchange because the hacker have already withdrawn that.

Your seed cannot be emptied. It's possible that the source where you've purchased it that your seed were pre-seeded/generated already.

OP, Very disappointing indeed. It is very unfortunate when you come after a long time and find that you don't have money in your wallet. Since your wallet has been hacked by hackers and it's complicated to get your money back, I don't think it's possible to get it back. You should have watched your crypto from the start. To prevent such incidents from happening later, you may want to consider using a hardware wallet. Staying informed by regularly updating your security practices will help protect your assets in the future. Hackers are always looking for opportunities, we create opportunity of them, so you don't have to make a second time mistake to keep your cryptocurrency safe.

Sorry dear, I can feel how bad it feels regaining your health and finding out your asset coins are gone. Even took those measures and yet there was no remedy to recover your funds. 😏.
I also heard that transactions can be tracked through the public ledgere but I've no details about it.
While I've followed your thread up to date that there had been no good news, I think the fund is gone and I don't know also think if there was any necessity of trying to communicate with the scammer because whoever that's responsible for that theft would never return it back to you. So the Only recovery option was if the network online desk was to come in for it.

The Tails of Linux distribution on USB is considered the same idea as creating a hardware wallet but at a lower cost. Frankly, I think using a hardware wallet will be faster and more efficient in terms of usage. But the decision is up to you in the end. The Electrum wallet is among the best and most famous open-source Bitcoin wallets. Still, the risk of draining or theft of funds may occur in any wallet, whether cold or hot. This may be due to your negligence in securing the backup phrase for your wallet, or the PIN code, or any of the other additional security methods, or not activating two-factor authentication, and your negligence in protecting and fortifying your device from trojans and viruses or connecting your hardware wallet through WalletConnect to any unknown or untrusted DApp are also potential risks.

Therefore, I agree that before using any wallet, you need to know and understand security and protection measures first so that you can hodl your assets in the wallet safely away from scammers. Also, you've gained experience from the previous painful lesson, and I hope that you'll be able to protect your assets, wallets, and devices safely in the future.

You can use the best wallet in the world and still lose your coins if you don't protect seed words correctly, but best wallet should be with Open Source code.
There are plenty of option to choose depending of what coins you want to hold.
Best option for newbies is using open source hardware wallet with additional passphrase for better security.

Don't experiment and don't make things to complicated.
Multisig setup should only be used by experts or advanced users, and it is increasing transaction fees.
It is even easier to lose your coins if you don't do multisig correctly.

This is solid option, but it's not for newbies.

Let's face it your money was gone, there was no way to return it for sure, and this happened in 2022 right so probably your money was already spent by the thief.

Ledger surely is secured by for sure this was some limitation, since you have health problems already you should have intrusted it already to someone that you already trust, I mean it's your money, but you abandoned your computer with thousands of dollars, that includes your hardware wallet right, he got access with your wallet so he probably got your ledger, I mean there was nothing to blame since you got robbed but you should have the precautions on it if you know you have money on it, I mean it's like abandoning your wallet in a place that wasn't secured.

You might be able to file a complain about this, I mean all of the transactions are going to be traced but it is going to take a lot of your time for sure, and in my opinion, the best you could do here is probably block some of the accounts of the hacker, I mean you mention Binance, it was centralized so with enough evidence you might know the identity of the hacker if you're going to be persistent, but even so it was only a very low chance that you money will be back, Binances users are around the world if you're going to file a case and its on the different country it might not be worth it at all, just move on in my opinion because there was probably nothing that you could actually do.

If you want us not to see an Address.  Then do not cover only the last few characters of it.

I could go to a random Ethereum Block Explorer and insert all the Uncensored characters, it will search all the known used Addresses and I will likely find the one from the image within seconds.  Particularly considering there are exact amounts of Ethereum shown too.

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I believe it is not the fault of Ledger too.  I hate their Hardware Wallet very much but I doubt this was a case of Ledger robbing you.  Sit down and think it very thoroughly.  Where was the Seed placed.  Who saw it or could have seen it.  Who could of had access to your Ledger.

Maybe intentionally set up a similar environment with a more negligible amount of Money in it and check whether it is some body from your inner circle of friends or family doing it.

I think you gave him the best possible answer, now the only question is whether he will understand and listen to your advice. If we exclude some problematic hardware wallets, then in general we can say that the weakest links in the security chain are still people who do not understand that the most common attack vector is their backup, not the device itself.

No matter what HW he buys, the same thing will happen to him if he doesn't keep a backup, PIN or any other important information in a safe way - which means completely offline and away from other people's eyes, including those he trusts.

That could be a possibility. But I doubt that the Binance accounr will be disclose without much permission or strong evidence cause this is a huge accusation if proven wrong in the end.

But with the OP's case Id think he isnt hack by someone random due to circumstances. It could be his colleague that might compromise him probably. Cant cal that a friend if someone he knew did that to him.

What still bugs me is how come OP lost his funds if it were stored on a ledger ?
A passcode is needed to access the funds on a ledger right, then how come someone stole the funds.
May be someone had the access to the wallets seed phrase and the possibility of that happening is high if he stored it on his computer.
May be OP's circle is not so good and someone from his circle got hold of his seed phrase and emptied the wallet.

what a regrettable loss. But OP must have made a mistake in saving his wallet recovery seed. Moreover, looking at the time the transaction was made, it could be someone close to him or someone who doesn't know crypto or is new to crypto.
Just look, there is quite a lag in transaction time, something quite strange happens when a thief carries out his usual actions in crypto. It's possible that the thief knows OP's condition. and if the transaction really goes to Binance, I think Binance can definitely take action.

That's rubbish and anyone who has even the slightest notion of security knows it. Cases like this are very rare and are usually due to seed theft and the like. The last case I remember similar to this on a Spanish forum, the OP ended up admitting that he saved a photo of the seeds he had written on his paper on his iCloud Drive. So it's not a failure of the HW but a human failure to expose his seeds.

I think this is considered a loss already, meaning that someone gets your seed phrase online or you leave your seed phrase in just with your paper included into your nano s ledger, most of the hard wallet have their at least two or three copies of paper which you will put the seed phrase of your account, this is the reason too why always keep an eye check at least a twice a month or day even though we are using hardware wallet still there's a possible unexpected occurrence. Seems like the binance or police report doesn't have a deal with the concern, the binance will just possibly block the account seems the hacker already withdrew the funds, and the police will just have a blotter just for documentation. This could be a charge to experience, sorry for your loss.

That's a big gap, you shouldn't have abandoned your crypto, at least. Since you said they were stored in a hardware wallet, I don't see what your computer had to do with that. Were you keeping your keys and phrases on your computer? And was your computer accessible to anyone else apart from you?

I don't know but if your computer was kept in a place where anyone could access it and it didn't have any unlock password, etc., then I believe someone might have accessed your computer, and stolen the keys, and then stolen your cryptocurrencies using the seed phrase and the password if you had them stored in your computer.

Seed phrases and private keys are supposed to kept in places where no one can have any access to them.

None, until you learn to do it right. You should at least try to narrow down what went wrong with your Ledger wallet and what resulted in you losing the coins you stored there. Ledger is no longer a recommended hardware wallet, but for other reasons that have nothing to do with this case of yours. No hardware wallet will help you if you have no idea what you are doing or how to protect yourself online.

But if you want to buy a different one, tell us how much you would like to invest in one? Some hardware wallets cost under $100, others more than $200. How much are you looking to spend on one?

A hot software wallet will never be as safe as a good hardware wallet. Electrum in a cold storage environment is excellent, but using it as a hot wallet puts your keys online at all times. If you do that, you should at least have it installed on a computer you don't use for anything else.

They should always be secure regardless of your health situation. If people can get hold of your keys when you are gone for a while then you haven't secured them enough or you have surrounded yourself with the wrong people.

Hardware wallets are the best. Unauthorized access to your Ledger device with weak PIN or seed phrase seems to be primary leak. So sorry for your loss. This could serve a good example for storing your wallet|seed phrase secure! And what a person could do in a situation like this? Suppose one gets injured and hospitalized. How you going to secure your assets then?

Depends on how much you are decided to keep in that wallet, based on the previous portfolio value you are holding thousands of dollars worth of crypto which definitely needs the ultimate security available, as others said hardware wallet is an option but since you already had bitter experience then I suggest try cold storage, install the electrum wallet on a completely air-gapped device.

Cold Storage on Electrum


It's passphrase, a custom seedword to create an entirely different set of private keys and addresses.

It is good though but still cold storage is the better of all.

But but, wait.

Why are you covering the addresses? You should only cover the one that is yours not the one your funds was moved into, are you even saying the truth?

Let everyone knows the address that hacker moved the money into, maybe it is an exchange address, it is true that you can't get the lost asset back but why cover the address that is not yours? Sorry to say I am just too curious about everything this days.