Topic: I wonder if the forum would be much better without signatue campaigns (Read 1065 times)

It is very easy to assume that signature campaign is the the only motivation that makes members stay committed In the forum, but I personally do not think so. The only thing which has made members committed here is simply 'passion'. It is the love people have for cryptocurrency that has made many remain here giving and receiving information that relates to crypto, especially Bitcoin.  Those who do not have this love for crypto cannot last long here. All those who joined the forum just to earn from signature campaigns and lacked this passion for the forum activities all left the forum because they were struggling so hard to meet up.

Signature campaigns is very necessary to compensate all those who have been committed in the forum. The merit system and forum penalties for offenses is already enough to fish out all those who are not contributing to the forum because its either they never get promoted to the next rank or they are banned from the forum.

I can say a lot on that subject both on what I think about Wasabi and especially their forum representative who is active here on Bitcointalk, but this isn't the place to do that, so I am not going to. Check out his reputation to see the tip of the iceberg. Wasabi should be discussed in the Wallet section and the reputation section if it's a topic fitting for that, but not here. Let's keep it on topic.   

Absolutely not. I just have my own opinion. I am not better then anyone else and nobody is better then me, we are just different.
You have right to use the forum how you want, do what you want and promote what you want and I don't care, if you earn some money and that helps you in life. I am cheering for you!
I just have experience in the gambling section and trading section that users post's without or very little knowledge and I stand up for that opinion.
But we discuss and that's good and what a forum is for.   But please don't say what I do or not, but please be free to share your opinion.

Have a great 2024. and it's OK you can think whatever you want about me. I will stand up for your right to have your opinion even if it is that I am little hypocritical, I will wake up tomorrow anyway, in the end all for for freedom!

Wasabi wallet, Is that a good and safe wallet and the team behind are them good people with the right on the heart place? And is it something you feel proud to promote or is it just for the cash? (Serious asking)
I wonder who is a little hypocritical, you cant even stand up for what you promoting. But I hope it's worth the money!

You look down on those who have no understanding of a different opinion, and you are the first to put yourself and your opinion before everyone else. Seems a little hypocritical.

About signature advertising. I remember some earlier days when some (later turned into serious ones) brands started from here, and one of the first steps was to start advertising through a signature campaign. Don't look only from the point of view of those who will spam the forum for a few dollars, try to see the wider picture.

There is no guarantee that the forum would be of better quality without a signature, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be. Some of the quality posters would reduce their activity or leave the forum because there is no possibility of earning, by reducing the activity, a good part of the quality posters would also go to other places where the discussion is more active, and you can guess where it leads. As for spam, it will not necessarily be significantly less, because spammers will still want to leave referral links or backlinks or whatever to improve SEO for their site.
Quality moderators will leave with a decline in activity, which will enable SEO spam to survive. The most common scenario of many once-large forums that are now on the edge of the margin

Otherwise, you have the option to turn off the visibility of the signature, if it annoys you so much.

After a while of watching, this forum would be 100 times better without this shitty sign campaigns, the most users just reply shit to get a buck or two and nothing wrong in that since 99% here don't have a income outside this forum so they should go on meanwhile they can because soon this will come to and end I am pretty sure of, and all this gambling shit and people promote and at the same time they pretend to be pro's on gambling because they promote it please just stop, your fooling others with your lack of knowledge. The replies I seen is scary and nothing else then scams to the OP even if the intentions is good. "Speech is silver silence is gold"

IMO rather 90% less traffic and with epic quality then useless quantity. But I guess money speaks stronger then everything else.
With it said, you can find very good things here and  get help with things you wish to, but I think many people agree but are to afraid to speak up about it.
Anyway now it it was it is and just lets make the best of it, lucky for some of us the life is outside this dark web.  

Keep strong, Keep grinding. Believe in yourself & Don't take other words for granted. You can more then you think!

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Lucky I don't need to choose anything and I got a life outside internet so this one works well for me but to ask the question is not wrong opposite since it started a discussion what a forum should do.
Sadly many people have hard to discuss with people that have different opinions here. 
But thank you for the advice's and freedom exist wherever you go if you choose to see it!   


And the world would be better without war and unfairness.

The forum would be a nice place without signature campaigns but it's not going to be more because the traffic would reduce drastically. Many people keep coming here because they have a signature to attend to here and make complete their weekly posts. Earning money here had been quite helping every individuals here to earn at the same time leaning. This forum had been a great one for each and everyone of us that is why the forum will keep having more participants as time goes on. It is true that there are people leaving but more are still going ranking up gradually.

In fact, you are right that if there is no signature campaign on the forum, the current traffic of the forum will decrease a large percentages from this traffic. Because no matter how much people or all of us say money is not everything, but money is everything in the world. If you see, all the activities of the world are for this money. It is true that those who are legit members will remain active but their activity will also be reduced to a large extent.
And if you want to see the real proof of this, then check the traffic of altcointalk forum a few days ago and now check the traffic after the mixer's campaign has been transferred there, you will understand by yourself.
However, from my personal view, it depends on the campaign manager whether the signature campaign will generate spam posts on the forum or reduce the spam posts on the forum. If the campaign manager strictly fulfills his duties and is anti-spammer then the signature campaign will reduce the spam on the forum. Because then for staying on the campaign the campaign participants will drop spam posts in the campaign.

Lemme give it to you the way it is -- The forum won't be better without signature campaigns, unless you're tryna assume that signature campaigns weren't even in existence before now... But then, the awareness of placing a casino on advert in here was already created and there's no way that would be erased so easily...

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signatures have created an awareness that would nearly be impossible for another form of promotion to create... I got in here already just to realize that we've got a YouTube channel, that hasn't referred up to atleast 30% of newly registered accounts, IMHO.

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Subscription campaigns are, of course, good - additional income, etc. However, on the other hand, some people write purely for the subscription, making it difficult to find genuinely valuable information. Most write their 10-15 comments a week and forget. For example, when I search for information, I sometimes come across comments that are unrelated to the topic. I'm not blaming anyone because I'm guilty of it myself, but it can be challenging to find the necessary information among low-quality posts.

I think the opposite actually. No doubt, the signature campaigns spam amount to 90%+ spam on the forum. But there is no denying that if the signature campaigns are not in place, there would be no incentive for people to post valuable stuff since they dont get rewarded for their efforts directly or indirectly.

I remember TBN in past and how people would post leaks, tricks, etc because they would get badges that would then get them access into deeper sections of the forum where more such stuff is shared.

Similarly, if you post good content on here, you get placement into higher paying signature campaigns and subsequently rewarding you for the efforts. I have seen how forums die and only reason BTCT isn't dead is because of the insane amount of money earned/spent on the signature campaigns.

This is an odd way to quote someone and without context, no one would have an idea what I was talking about. Best to link the reply, or part of the reply you're referring to.

Removing signatures would not results in more quality topics and replies, it would be an overall drop you in almost every metric, a lot of that would be spam posts, but we would also lose a lot of quality posts and quality posters. This doesn't mean that they are here simply for the reward, but it most likely keeps most of the members more active, and sharing quality content.

I had joined other forums too, and not for the money, and I still visit them from time to time, but I'm not as active as in this one, obviously.

Maybe I'm a little biased by what I saw happen on the poker forums. As soon as the profitability started to go down the traffic went down, and in the biggests ones like 2+2 there is still some traffic but there are others that are a pity.

Let me put it this way: if there's a forum that I like and where I can earn money, I may actually join. But I may join a forum I like without the money anyway (and I've done that many times).

In case the signature campaigns are banned, then it will reduce a lot of traffic on the forum and only those people who are interested to know or write about something, will post. Many a times, someone has good knowledge or information to post, but he won't do it or be lazy about it when he think he's not getting paid or anything. You can check the people's profile and see how much they post when they are in the signature campaign and their number of posts when they are not in any campaigns, and you will know the difference quite clearly.



If we want to eliminate the market of account buying and selling, why not address the problem and not ban everything so that account buy sell is prohibited. Also i think the accounts which are known to be bought are already being tagged and merit system has also limited the account farming activity. this is how you address problems and not close down something that is useful. Yes, Signature campaigns are useful for the forum, for those projects too who are marketing and also useful for those who are engaged in the signature campaigns.

Definitely this forum would be better without signature campaigns, I do think so too even if I'm wearing one right now because it is kind of problematic even if @Upgrade00's saying is that we're doing good and it's all a balance, I'd really want more quality topics and replies being posted here rather than a balance. With signature campaigns gone, it would also eliminate the market of account sellers and buyers that are good for nothing lowlifes that wants to cheat the system, that's the power that will be granted when that happens and the only downside is that there's probably about 50 to 60 percent decrease in activity in the forum since it's just a normal forum now but I can be wrong as there's a lot of people here that have bonded over in threads and discussions that would probably still continue talking.

Well, in this case I think you are the exception that proves the rule. And in any case, I think that those who like you did not know that you could earn money here when you register, once they are monetizing the account, yes they would change forum if what they earn writing makes a difference in their life (gives them to live in poor countries or is a significant extra income in countries not so poor).

Besides, this is not just any forum, it is a money forum, an e-money forum, so don't be surprised if people give importance to earning money and leave to another one if circumstances change. It is not a forum about gardening.

You've just pointed out the bad things about a few forum posters without looking at the good side by having to look at the contribution of some of the best posters wearing signatures, if you think that the posts of the members wearing signatures are spam you can hit the report button.
I would like to ask you if you are good at something, which would you prefer getting incentivized for doing it or getting nothing for doing it?

The forum has thrived for years without signature campaigns, and it will continue to thrive; the use of the word "die" is an exaggeration.

That being said, forum activity will indeed be affected. Think of the forum as the final blend of several ingredients, including:

-Content
-Signature Campaigns
-Marketplace
-Bored individuals
-People eager to learn
-Individuals showcasing their knowledge
-Boosting self-esteem through ranking up or earning merit

These ingredients contribute to the overall forum experience. When you add, reduce, or remove any ingredient, the forum's overall dynamics are certain to change. The perception of whether the forum has changed for the better or worse depends on individual views.

Personally, I believe signature campaigns are a vital component of the forum's overall performance, especially for high-quality members. If someone excels in a particular area, they may prefer not to contribute for free. Instead of starting their own blog or YouTube channel, they might choose to share their expertise here. Without the incentive of earning something for their valuable contributions, the forum risks losing not only traffic but also valuable content.

We almost all have conflict of interest in this one, but I'll try to express my opinion as much objectively as possible.

Would there be less spam without sig. campaigns? Yes. No doubt. The reason there are over 5000 posts everyday is because of money. But, in my opinion, it has incentivized dozens of reputable members to see this similar as to a StackExchange freelancing job. If a newbie makes a question in the technical boards, there will be discussion; substantial discussion.

The answer to this question is determined by which of the above you give priority. If you believe that a more active StackExchange inside the forum is not worth the spam, then you can check how the forum was prior 2014, and see if it was better. In my opinion, it wasn't, and the overall post quality was poor.

I just made a glance through the thread and read diverse conflicting statements, but the bitter truth of the fact is that this forum got the prestige, reputation and traffic it has today from its ability to give user the privilege to earn a few dollar while contributing to forum discussion, which grew as time went on, and today its sure of steady over 1million+ monthly website visits. Hence, in essence what I'm trying to say is that the signature campaign organized here gave users the ability to be able to make lots of researches, created contents and spent more time on the forum than physical, which if that is taken away, it will drastically affect the growth dynamics of bitcointalk as a forum.

So, in conclusion, I agree with what "Poker Player" said as "Traffic goes where the money goes", as traffic is indeed the online money