Topic: I wonder if the forum would be much better without signatue campaigns - page 2. (Read 1003 times)

More commonly - Money goes where the traffic is.

If the money is what brings the traffic in it is more difficult to sustain and purely incentivized contents has its cons. This is not highlighting altcointalks or any other forum out there, Bitcointalk has been successful cause it built organic traffic which was then monetized at a sustainable rate leading to what we have today, flip the cycle and it attracts more spam than actual content.

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A ban of signature campaigns would drastically bring down the activity numbers. Bitcoin enthusiasts would still be around to discuss what's on their mind, but it would be in much smaller quantities than we have now. Get rid of the bounty section as well and Bitcointalk would look like an abandoned forum with perhaps 50-100 regular users. It would be great to battle spam, but bad for every other metric used to determine the value of a discussion forum.

I know I'm not the average forum user But I also know I wouldn't join a forum just to earn money. When I joined Bitcointalk I didn't even know signature campaigns exist.

In this scenario there's a bigger problem: Bitcointalk's mission is "to be as free as possible". If the forum loses more and more of it's freedom, it may be time to move on to a place that's closer to this mission again.

It sounds funny to my hearing well most time just like what OP said people say a lot on this forum to have the full audience attention, I think this is what OP wants for him self to be notice, I bet you guys after OP have hit full membership with rush he will go find him self a better signature campaign to join in no time.
So back to topic freedom to advertise in signature campaign should be the most important thing on the forum for example I was once a altcoin forum members in the forum one do not have the rights and freedom of signature campaign post some time when I see people posting shit post I just smile because this forum have better advantages to learn and to earn
For me l happily live here on this forum to enjoy my self

You are on point and it's really cool to call a spade a spade. No need to beat a out the bush. Signature campaigns add a certain flavor to the forum and gives one the push to even visit the forum. Granted, you could get a lot of knowledge about Bitcoin from here but when you're in a campaign, honestly it becomes more interesting to pay attention to what information is being passed and it would cause you to make your own research so you could contribute meaningfully.( Not like you don't contribute meaningfully when you aren't in a campaign tho). I dunno if it's just me tho, but there's this feeling I get when wearing an avatar. It's like I'm part of something big.
 For me, the sig campaigns are like incentive for individuals to come here and although there'd still be traffic if sig campaigns gets scrapped, it won't be compared to when there is.

Yes, but what is also realistic is that for people who gets paid more moderate amounts, to go to another forum.

The thing can start like this: someone gets paid $100 a week here for 25 posts and they get an opportunity to get paid $50 on another forum for writing another 25 posts. Suddenly, the campaign here ends or is put on hold. Traffic on that forum increases, more advertisers come and pay more for the campaigns, now paying $70 a week. After a while, and following the hypothesis of this thread, a total restriction on paid clickable signatures on this forum is announced.

What would happen?

It is clear to most of us. Traffic goes where the money goes.

Being probably the highest paid on this forum and having a lot of threads that you update once a week I think you are so invested in this forum that you have a blind spot on this subject (as a psychological term). With all due respect I say this to you.

Initially, I heard it was a pure learning culture here and sharing what you know about Bitcoin. It was raw and selfless with no financial benefits for the users and I believe there would be ads on the forum by them which would only earn the forum money.

But later, I guess, the admin in his/their wisdom tried to make the users that keep the forum active also earn and get more encouraged, and this must have birthed the signature campaign which this forum is probably the first to do such a thing. However, the success of this caused more people to join the forum, and it can't be a lie if one says that it is mostly because of the money involved that made most people join.

Regardless, it added traffic, which is the main thing. But if the signature campaign is removed, well, I envisage almost every user would down tools. You can start judging by the removal of m!xers campaign from here. You see people getting angry and looking for any alternative they can find.

I think campaign managers, especially those who have been doing this shit for years now like Hhampuz and Yahoo's got all their ducks in a row when it comes to campaign management. I see campaign managers here being very diligent about keeping the quality of their members' posts in tippy-top shape, so I don't even get why the need to reiterate this even exists, and don't get me wrong, I know they need to hear this, but it's not like they don't do it or are not planning to do it anyway.

What we should really look into are the posts of newbies here, prime example being that one clown who literally created an account to post a single message in this thread. Most of the newbies that I see here either create subpar posts that don't contribute anything to the discussion nor to the overall health of the forum, and even if they do, we run the chances of them getting it from good old ChatGPT or from an article they plagiarized somewhere in the internet.

If we wanna bust the shitposters here, I think you'd find little luck looking for them in established campaigns like those handled by the aforementioned Hhampuz and Yahoo, look for the posts made by newbies here and you'd realize just how doo-doo their post qualities are lol and I'd promise you that the perception about signature campaigns being the main source of shitpost here in the forum's gonna be dispelled rather quickly.

Yes - signature campaigns should must stay, but signature campaign operators may need to increase their awareness of enforcing these guidelines: Signature Campaign Guidelines

I know that LoyceV has said this before me on the first page - but campaign managers also have a responsibility to reduce spam from participants. The above guidance explain many of the responsibilities of a campaign manager or operator in running a signature campaign - so therefore may require improvements in implementation.

Would the forum be a better place?

In terms of post quality... maybe... and that's still a big maybe because people won't be so eager to post if they don't get paid. They will find some other activity which pays them. It could be freelancing, trading, getting an actual job... Since most people make posts to get paid, they won't make posts when they don't get paid.

We can see this behavior on the users who teleported their accounts to shitcointalk.com

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Research:

When people stop posting, spam or not, 90% of the activity will be gone. And the remaining 10% won't be 100% good quality posts.

Let's say the forum currently has 100 activity now but only 40% of that 100 is good. That's 40 good quality posts.

When the activity drops to 10, and the quality percentage raises to 80%, That's 8 good quality posts.

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Conclusion:

Sig camps must stay.

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mindrust, math PhD  

That's true mate, the forum is very much field with reliable knowledge and most of it is fuel by the purpose of having signature campaigns especially when it comes to signature campaigns about CEX , DEX, and so many Bitcoin related software campaigns, I mean people tend to learn really educative stuffs from about these services and also their are some good boards and good people that still hold and contributive proactively here in the community and most of them are signature campaign promoted so signature campaigns is a plus to the community here.

Let's be realistic: that's not going to happen.

And even for much smaller amounts: if it would be possible for any random forum on the planet to get more users by having them advertise on their own, thousands of forums would have done it by now.

I think you are self-deluding here.

For starters you don't know the intention with which he has registered, but I doubt very much that it is just to say that. He may have registered to build up that account and monetize it, it may even be an alt account of someone who already has a monetized account here.

On the other hand, I would like to see if you would still say the same if you were banned to wear a signature here, but especially if avatars were banned, so your income in this forum would be 0, and you would have the possibility to get paid 0.015 Bitcoins a week in another forum just for the avatar plus another amount for the signature, plus another amount for an alt account used from the mobile.

It's not that I don't believe that you would stay in this forum because of how cool it is and because it's the one created by Satoshi without leaving, I don't think anyone on the forum who stops for a moment to analyze the situation rationally believes it either.

It reminds me a lot of the situation on Martha's Vineyard, an island of billionaires and supposed sanctuary for immigrants, that when they were sent 50 immigrants from Florida, they didn't even keep them there for 24 hours.

Bitcointalk is different from other discussion forum, so don't expect Bitcointalk to die just because the signature campaign is stopped. The bitcointalk forum will stay alive and have quality posters and most of them are users who don't care about signature campaign. After all, without a signature campaign, the average user's posting activity will decrease drastically and they will only be active to discuss something they consider important.

I'm just sure if in the end signature campaign's stopped in this forum, that anyone whose only goal is to make money from posting on the bitcointalk forum especially from signature campaign will leave and become inactive. Signature campaigns are a way for forum to incentivize their contributors, so admins probably won't stopped them.

My views are quite different from yours. Without signature campaigns, I guess the whole forum members might not be this eager and well interested to post, simply because members are not paid anymore from their hard works and sleepless nights just to have quality posts. And for obvious reason, we will only see less quality posts but more likely spams and low content posts.

However, this is just from my own point of view. I would be lying if I’ll say I’m posting for no reason at all, but honestly, being paid with all these posts greatly matters.

The fact that you registered just to post this proves otherwise

This forum will die if there is no signature campaign. Look at other forums related to crypto without signature campaign. They got finished within one year of launch.

Here's the thing. I think the forum's gonna be whack if we don't take the chance for advertisers to get in here and make profit.

Bitcointalk's not running on hopes and dreams, pretty sure the moderators here pay a fee to keep the site going and traffic alone's not gonna cut it which I guess they get the funding from advertisers who request to be accepted into this forum. Besides, it's also worth noting that for some people in the bitcointalk campaign management team this is pretty much their major side-hustle or full-time job. A job that only exists because advertisers see this forum as a hospitable place to set up shop. You take that away and you're ridding people of their means to earn money, and with the current financial and economical landscape I doubt that some of them would even get accepted into McDonald's (not to misinterpret, I know a lot of our campaign managers are smart fellas).

The thing is, there's a whole economy in this forum that is only possible because signature campaigns exist, and in the argument about signature campaign members posting shit content, I'd argue that you look into those who doesn't have signatures. Cause campaign managers here like Hhampuz are quick to kick people who they deem as members who bring nothing to the topic and the forum, keeping the whole integrity of the campaign intact and in turn, bringing in fresh and relevant comments/posts within the forum.

So yeah, signature campaigns are a must-have if you want this forum to continue running. It's cool on paper to see people who are doing god's work for the sake of passion but that's not gonna pay the bills my friend.

I don't know that either. But, you are probably right, banner specifically mentions about Bitcointalk so it must have happened after mixer ban here.

This is a perfect reply to his curiosity or whatever. There are many forums where users are not paid, he could visit most of them and definitely meet a grave yard and then compare it with here. I don't know why people see signature campaign as a benefit to only the participants while the project owners benefit the most.

• The forum benefits from signature campaigns because it guarantees high level participation and dominance of the forum domain 
• The project owners benefit from the signature campaign because it gives their projects the exposure they want
• The campaign participants benefit by getting weekly bucks 

This is a win-win situation for all and shouldn't pose any problems.

When I joined here newly, I considered stake as a spam campaign. But today, their participants post long wall of text(almost all), if quality is a measure of post length, which is how it is generally regarded here, it could be said that Stake participants no longer spam