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Very well said. I think that this idea comes from the ICO era, where projects used to gather investment while the project was being built along the way, and we all know how those went.

That's probably why it's called IBCO.

I would like to clarify one thing I said in my previous post.

But something else comes to my mind: it is said that there are reputable people in the forum involved in it. I doubt very much that the reputation in this forum from which they can disappear whenever they want is worth more than 7 BTC.

In the case of the two escrows other than Casino Critique, I think they would have quite a bit to lose. They have a great reputation and in the case of Hampuz he manages a lot of signature campaigns so he should earn a lot of money.

But we are in a section that says at the top of the page:

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

I could easily invest between 10 and 100 chips if it was a project as I have already said: that has started, that can somehow show that it makes money in a growing way even if it is little and that to grow more it needs funding.

But just like that, no. I wish all the people involved in it and potential investors luck.
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I don't want to be the spoilsport but it seems to me that there is an elephant in the room that most see but no one talks about. And it is simply that no one in their right mind is going to invest in a business that as of today generates $0, which is just an idea.

If they came looking for funding after they had started, and generated some money, maybe someone else would be encouraged. No wonder the bitcoin address has received only 0.005 BTC. And they are talking about $130k in salaries per month? I as an investor wouldn't mind contributing to pay those salaries but to someone who proves to me that they make money, not that they just have an idea.

If the people running the project think they can generate that much money just for salaries and more, what they need to do is start, prove they make money, and then and only then, if they need more money to scale the business faster or whatever, look for funding.

I don't know if you have seen Shark Tank but the most important thing the sharks consider when investing is how much money the business generates. Ideas that do not generate money today, no matter how good they may seem, do not usually attract investment.

I do not want to point out only negative points, because I have to say that the project seems honest, although naive perhaps, well worked and well presented.

But something else comes to my mind: it is said that there are reputable people in the forum involved in it. I doubt very much that the reputation in this forum from which they can disappear whenever they want is worth more than 7 BTC.

Very well said. I think that this idea comes from the ICO era, where projects used to gather investment while the project was being built along the way, and we all know how those went.
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I don't want to be the spoilsport but it seems to me that there is an elephant in the room that most see but no one talks about. And it is simply that no one in their right mind is going to invest in a business that as of today generates $0, which is just an idea.

If they came looking for funding after they had started, and generated some money, maybe someone else would be encouraged. No wonder the bitcoin address has received only 0.005 BTC. And they are talking about $130k in salaries per month? I as an investor wouldn't mind contributing to pay those salaries but to someone who proves to me that they make money, not that they just have an idea.

If the people running the project think they can generate that much money just for salaries and more, what they need to do is start, prove they make money, and then and only then, if they need more money to scale the business faster or whatever, look for funding.

I don't know if you have seen Shark Tank but the most important thing the sharks consider when investing is how much money the business generates. Ideas that do not generate money today, no matter how good they may seem, do not usually attract investment.

I do not want to point out only negative points, because I have to say that the project seems honest, although naive perhaps, well worked and well presented.

But something else comes to my mind: it is said that there are reputable people in the forum involved in it. I doubt very much that the reputation in this forum from which they can disappear whenever they want is worth more than 7 BTC.






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Is it possible to know at any given point how many chips are left in the private sale?
Yes it's very easy. You can check it from this address:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qy330f4q0fnavnw66lzysrx583ts0the7yyx049xclrs2zq52g87s4fy5xy

Anything from:
0 to 1 btc is considered for private sale. (total allocation 2000 Chip as buy one get one free)
> 1 btc to <= 4 btc considered for public sale 1 (total allocation 4000 Chip as buy three get one free)
> 4 btc to <= 7 btc considered for public sale 2 (total allocation 3000 Chip)

Anything above 7 btc will be returned back to the senders who sent it late. Transaction fees will be deducted.
Any ideas on the presale starting date ? when will it go live
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Is it possible to know at any given point how many chips are left in the private sale?
Yes it's very easy. You can check it from this address:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qy330f4q0fnavnw66lzysrx583ts0the7yyx049xclrs2zq52g87s4fy5xy

Anything from:
0 to 1 btc is considered for private sale. (total allocation 2000 Chip as buy one get one free)
> 1 btc to <= 4 btc considered for public sale 1 (total allocation 4000 Chip as buy three get one free)
> 4 btc to <= 7 btc considered for public sale 2 (total allocation 3000 Chip)

Anything above 7 btc will be returned back to the senders who sent it late. Transaction fees will be deducted.
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Seeing that this means we are technically in the private sale, how exactly are we supposed to participate? By sending you a PM?
You do not need to contact us. From the blockchain we will collect btc address.
Please send the amount of btc you would like to participate with to the escrow address and we will collect data from blockchain to log your chip on this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FEo0vBAyBOE5ZFDu9Z-LmOtc7iy2UKXETl878Ydj51c/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,

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Seeing that this means we are technically in the private sale, how exactly are we supposed to participate? By sending you a PM?
You do not need to contact us. From the blockchain we will collect btc address.
Please send the amount of btc you would like to participate with to the escrow address and we will collect data from blockchain to log your chip on this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FEo0vBAyBOE5ZFDu9Z-LmOtc7iy2UKXETl878Ydj51c/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,
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If you are interested to join IBCO then you can join the private sale. In fact private sale is open for anyone.
In private sale we have buy one get one free offer which is basically 50% off than regular price.

Seeing that this means we are technically in the private sale, how exactly are we supposed to participate? By sending you a PM?
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I have one last question, for the moment. When is the 21 day chip sale period scheduled to start?
We are planning to start reaching out to the personal contacts for private sale.
Once we will meet our goal for the private sale then we will start our public sale officially.
Currently we are revising our contents (checking spelling errors, grammar on the IBCO website, pitch deck etc). Once the contents are revised then we will design the pitch deck to presenting graphically. In the mean time we may work on an introduction video too. Once all these are done then we will start approaching our personal contacts to offer private sale.

If you are interested to join IBCO then you can join the private sale. In fact private sale is open for anyone.
In private sale we have buy one get one free offer which is basically 50% off than regular price.
In public sale one we have buy three get one free offer.

There are risk involved in any investment. Point is if you are 100% convinced? If you are then you are welcome to get onboard. :-)

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I have one last question, for the moment. When is the 21 day chip sale period scheduled to start?

I will think about it and maybe I will acquire some chips considering that it is a risky investment as it is a starting project. It can give a good return if the thing goes well, but investments that have a high potential return are also inexorably linked to a high risk.
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Being a project without KYC I understand that this has to be done to some extent, but I think it would help transparency to publish the accounts, perhaps annually, without having to be excessively detailed, but at least that investors know the total expenses and total income and which ones fall into which category.
This was not in the mind until I read it.
Although we are maintaining a spreadsheet to log all incoming and outgoing income/expense. In future we will hire an accountant to do proper accounting and share it annually as audit, additionally from blockchain transactions anyone can verify any transaction instead of blindly trusting the audit report. Before we have a proper accounting department we will manage it in discord.

So here is the idea. Since we need to be transparent to our IBCO participants who are joining us sending their bitcoin, we created a private discord channel accessible only for the participants.

The participants will join an open sever: https://discord.gg/yT22B4hzEd
They will sign the bitcoin address to prove that they indeed joined the IBCO
We will add them to the private server.
In the private server we will publish affiliate account information, add revenue information including all other information that should be known for them to see our activities and progress.

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One of the things that often causes a start-up business to fail is having too many fixed expenses.
Yes we are aware of that. For this reason right now in our team we have only founding members. And the founding members are skilled in their own section so they are going to take care of their sections by playing their roles to bring the project live. As we grow we will need more manpower and depending on the need we will hire staff to support the departments. It's to minimize costing and to use the funds wisely.
However there are some external expenses which are covered by core team members and when needed we are taking service from specialized professionals and paying them contract basis.

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Starting with $130k of fixed monthly expenses in salaries alone seems too high to me. Wouldn't it be better to start small with 5 or 10 people and add as you go along? What would be the minimum total monthly fixed cost for break even with all costs included? If I understand correctly, you expect to raise approximately 10,000 chips which would be about $200k, which would give you first month's expenses. Am I missing something here? Are you expecting to generate considerable revenue from the first month to cover those expenses?
We are selling 7,000 Chip so looking for 7 BTC in total. 3,499 Chip we are using to reward as bonus and promotion. Team is holding 500 Chip.
In case in future if we need more funds then we will sell the Chip that team is holding but possibly in higher price. But after a year if we see that we really do not need anymore funds to continue then we will burn the Chip and in that case the 10% revenue share will be calculated against the remaining 9,499 Chip.

Last but not the least, I think you misunderstood the competitor case study. The funds we are raising are to cover expense for 1 full year, the total is not monthly cost. In this one year we are expecting to make a position where we will be able to generate good monthly revenue to create cash flow for the business.

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In order to consider a serious investment, apart from these issues, I would have liked a more moderate forecast of market growth.
Two days ago Yahoo Finance wrote a column, it featured Straits Research. In Straits they claimed the industry is growing at a CAGR of 11.7% and the market size is projected to reach $130 B in year 2030.
Here you can have a good reading : https://straitsresearch.com/report/online-gambling-market

There are many other market research companies and more or less everyone has very similar CAGR which is from 11.7% to 12.5%
In our slide we considered data from Stratview Research.

Some opinion:
Honestly writing, I am very happy to see the level of questions you asked. If more people check deep and ask questions then eventually it helps us to improve and think better. I appreciate the thought and effort you put on the above post.

Cheers,
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I have been rereading about the project and here are some thoughts:

I would imagine that the margin at which this market operates is quite high, so that distributing 10% does not pose a threat to the finances of the business.

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So in there you will need to trust us that we are not going to hide any income.

Being a project without KYC I understand that this has to be done to some extent, but I think it would help transparency to publish the accounts, perhaps annually, without having to be excessively detailed, but at least that investors know the total expenses and total income and which ones fall into which category.

One of the things that often causes a start-up business to fail is having too many fixed expenses. Starting with $130k of fixed monthly expenses in salaries alone seems too high to me. Wouldn't it be better to start small with 5 or 10 people and add as you go along? What would be the minimum total monthly fixed cost for break even with all costs included? If I understand correctly, you expect to raise approximately 10,000 chips which would be about $200k, which would give you first month's expenses. Am I missing something here? Are you expecting to generate considerable revenue from the first month to cover those expenses?

In order to consider a serious investment, apart from these issues, I would have liked a more moderate forecast of market growth.



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Ok, so I take it that with those numbers you are projecting that the market you are entering into will at least remain similar to what it is now and will not decrease, I understand.
Statistically the gambling market is becoming bigger as we speak. In the pitch deck we have a slide about Market size and forecasting about the industry

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Ok, so I take it that with those numbers you are projecting that the market you are entering into will at least remain similar to what it is now and will not decrease, I understand.
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If it wasn't for the fact that I see reputable people in the project, with things like sharing 10% of the revenue (not net profit) for lifetime, I would have said that this is a scam.
That's why for the IBCO we have assigned an escrow team. All funds will be collected in a 2 of 3 multi-sig address and escrow department will monitor all expense. So even we are a group of reputable members, we are not asking anyone to trust us blindly. However there are some places where at least some sort of trust indeed needed.

For example:  
1. Revenue collection from Casino websites: It's impossible to give access of the accounts (many accounts) to anyone. So in there you will need to trust us that we are not going to hide any income. However there are ways to show that we are not hiding anything. On request we can share screenshots of a particular account even if needed then we can screencast an account dashboard. I don't think many will ask that but if even they do, we will stay clean by providing evidences.

2. Ad selling: All revenue from the add selling will be collected in BTC or LTC wallet depending on the payment method the ad buyers will feel comfortable. The public master key of the wallets are available, means everyone can check the incoming and outgoing transactions. But questions could be how do anyone know from outside how much we got from a buyer. We might paid us $3000 for three months ad slot but we can book keep or tell them send $2000 to one address and $1000 to other address which is not public. We will not do that. Ad buyers will be notified the master key too and will exclusively request then to send the known wallets.
Bitcoin Wallet Master Public Key: zpub6naVBGRSpS9yZB8iNXwXh1BRHmj4waSyXVW42UD8ozFMc6p9mXwKt4GR2dNLfto2tZvtF3pyzto myd9fBTCxxJwkjUvZiJRvzXHEJHRXeDs
LTC Wallet Master Publick key: ypub6YFmFJDzfeSteubZtR8aecArHaXAUwpkkddeRSmT9eSEAGyJA4FKSfmSa7ixNwJBMxpQyPj6u8Q bpM2vLMMDLyzDTJTaW82ShGjLx8ePLuh

3. Other revenue streams: Well in business there are some sort of trust always needed but we will try out best, take community suggestions to keep things transparent as much as possible. It does not require some rocket science intelligence to be transparent as long as there are good intentions.

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For example, how much is the minimum investment? In Bitcoin or $ terms.
You can buy minimum 1 Chip to 1000 Chip. 1 Chip costs = 0.001 BTC however in private sale we have 50% OFF in a form of Buy 1 Get 1 free. In public sale 1 it's buy 3 get 1 free which is 33.33% OFF than regular price.

We are going to share 10% revenue that we will make on the platform.


This is a screenshot from the draft of the Pitch Deck we are working on. Once complete we will share the pitch deck in our website and everywhere.

The similar sites are making $2M to $15M per annum. Our goal is big like them and to be one of them in the future. It will take few years. 2027 is where we are looking at. A project depends on many factors, the road will not be so smooth but with a single goal to be one of the best, it's not unachievable too.

But anyway, say we are making $100K per month after two or two and half years.
10% is $10k per month. Which means for each chip it's $10,000 of 9,999 Chip which is around 1 in USD. Considering btc at $20k today 0.001 BTC is $20 which means to get the return it will take 20 months, around 2 years. Don't exclude the earning before even reach $100K per month. So you can expect the ROI in a few years before enjoying the long term benefits. Obviously 1 Chip is too small to get in. A 100 Chip for example can earn you $100 per month. So it's up to the Chip Offerers how would they want to play with their numbers :-)

Note: We will collect earning in BTC and LTC form, the fiat used to make the details easier.
Additionally please check this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FEo0vBAyBOE5ZFDu9Z-LmOtc7iy2UKXETl878Ydj51c/edit?usp=sharing
All Chip are logged in this spreadsheet.

Update: Gift Chip added for you on the spreadsheet.
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Ok, so it's taken me a while to understand this. I don't know if it's because I am tired.

Here is my address.

bc1qff0f9dupy59yr4ck54mmv2hfdu68tvze7v2yfa

Thanks for the offer.




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In other words, I'll figure it out.
I guess you already did. Received a PM possibly from you unless this is an imposter. I am waiting for you to confirm it in the PM of this account.

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Remember few weeks ago I reached out to you from my personal account?
Yes I do, though I didn't know you were one and the same--and immediately after writing my last post I thought about replying to your alter ego via PM....but didn't.

Please contact me on my telegram: @CasinoCritique
Oh, telegram!!  The service I advertise I don't use right in my profile.  Well, there's an impersonator with my bitcointalk handle on there, so let me see what I can do as far as contacting you there.  I think I still have an account, but I know I deleted the app.  I am an accomplished scribe, a noted scholar, and my last brain MRI showed that my skull is not in fact filled with chewed bubblegum as I'd originally suspected. 

In other words, I'll figure it out.
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