Topic: ▄▀▄ [ICO][SAM] ▄▀▄ Swiss Alps Energy - The Smart Mining Company ▄▀▄ - page 17. (Read 4103 times)
June 03, 2018, 04:00:37 PM
Intro video for this project is one of the best I've seen lately.
June 03, 2018, 03:59:31 PM
Wow this project seems like a really nice idea.
Plus, it has an environment and energy efficiency in mind.
Plus, it has an environment and energy efficiency in mind.
June 03, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
A great idea - and the introduction of innovations is undoubtedly a big plus (like ORC system). I'm interested in the issue from a legal point of view - in this country a stable economic climate?
i think actually is one of the best places in the world to run such a business.
June 03, 2018, 03:34:13 PM
A great idea - and the introduction of innovations is undoubtedly a big plus (like ORC system). I'm interested in the issue from a legal point of view - in this country a stable economic climate?
June 03, 2018, 03:07:54 PM
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You should probably do that in the bounty campaign thread,not here.
Any link for bounty? please
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-swiss-alps-energy-get-a-piece-of-cold-6-220-238-sam-3828417
Reserving POLISH translation
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Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish
Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
You should probably do that in the bounty campaign thread,not here.
Any link for bounty? please
June 03, 2018, 03:04:39 PM
How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
thanks for the questions Sergej
In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.
In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.
Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy
About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.
Best Regards
Swiss Alps Mining
Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?
Thank you & my best regards
Sergej
Good Question
we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers Best Regards
Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏
So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?
yes we have special contracts and pay less.
Well, it is understandable that you have signed a contract with the electricity supplier, thus ensuring the quality and the required amount of power at better conditions.
Can we know with which company you signed a contract?
unfortunately we cannot give out this infos but you can easily find some
similar price offers from swiss providers in the internet.
June 03, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Well all, i just got banned from the Telegram channel after asking what the official statement from SAM is about the fact that the team behind this is the same that launched Giracoin 2 years ago, a coin that was and is under heavy critics due to it's combination of Ponzi and Pyramid scheme.
I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.
Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.
Sergej
I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.
Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.
Sergej
Dear Sergey
This Channel is not to talk about Giracoin but do you think really fhat a Company in Switzerland can run a Ponzi System and get a SRO Certificate? Its pretty easy to talk bad about Projects and call them a Ponzi, but you can be sure in Switzerland it’s impossible to run a Ponzi and absolutely sure not for 2 Years!
And now pls come Back to SAM!
Thank you
June 03, 2018, 02:40:31 PM
Well all, i just got banned from the Telegram channel after asking what the official statement from SAM is about the fact that the team behind this is the same that launched Giracoin 2 years ago, a coin that was and is under heavy critics due to it's combination of Ponzi and Pyramid scheme.
I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.
Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.
Sergej
I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.
Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.
Sergej
June 03, 2018, 01:36:16 PM
How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
thanks for the questions Sergej
In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.
In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.
Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy
About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.
Best Regards
Swiss Alps Mining
Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?
Thank you & my best regards
Sergej
Good Question
we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers Best Regards
Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏
So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?
yes we have special contracts and pay less.
Well, it is understandable that you have signed a contract with the electricity supplier, thus ensuring the quality and the required amount of power at better conditions.
Can we know with which company you signed a contract?
June 03, 2018, 07:49:34 AM
Reserving POLISH translation
Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish
Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish
Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
You should probably do that in the bounty campaign thread,not here.
June 03, 2018, 07:22:07 AM
How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
thanks for the questions Sergej
In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.
In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.
Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy
About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.
Best Regards
Swiss Alps Mining
Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?
Thank you & my best regards
Sergej
Good Question
we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers Best Regards
Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏
So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?
yes we have special contracts and pay less.
June 03, 2018, 07:10:42 AM
I saw that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?
0.3$ per SAM token.
Big difference,but i guess early contributors deserve the best price.
Yes!
June 03, 2018, 07:08:55 AM
Wouldnt Iceland be even better place to set up something like that,have you considered that location too?
First we have to go there to check then can say
Iceland seems like a solid idea simply because it is so remote and climate suits the needs, but I personally think Switzerland is ideal pick, so many unused and abandoned buildings in Alps for grabs.Hard to match that and it is in the heart of Europe which makes transport and logistics regarding SAM cubes much easier.
Great insights.
June 03, 2018, 07:07:45 AM
Wouldnt Iceland be even better place to set up something like that,have you considered that location too?
First we have to go there to check then can say
I think that it is indisputable if project becomes successful they will easily transfer it to other States that have the appropriate climate conditions...given that fact Iceland is also an option
Yes, you right. Anyway thanks for your suggestion
June 03, 2018, 07:06:10 AM
Great....Awesome and really special token
Thank you!
June 03, 2018, 06:44:37 AM
Reserving POLISH translation
Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish
Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish
Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit
eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert
June 03, 2018, 02:25:44 AM
Whats the ROI for one of those cubes?Is it less than a year?
June 03, 2018, 02:01:57 AM
I saw that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?
0.3$ per SAM token.
Big difference,but i guess early contributors deserve the best price.
June 02, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
I saw that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?
0.3$ per SAM token.
June 02, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
I saw that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?
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