Idea: A fund for an alternative Bitcoin development team. - page 3.

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Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2012, 09:37:14 PM

What I am going to do tonight is offer a constructive critique of Bitcoin in its current form. It seems that is what this discussion is lacking.

Instead of telling us you are going to do something, just do it. BTW, anything you come up with has probably already been re-hashed ad nauseum anyway.

Why do you think he calls himself the Boss?

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Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2012, 09:37:14 PM

What I am going to do tonight is offer a constructive critique of Bitcoin in its current form. It seems that is what this discussion is lacking.

Instead of telling us you are going to do something, just do it. BTW, anything you come up with has probably already been re-hashed ad nauseum anyway.

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Quote from: fornit on February 11, 2012, 08:53:12 AM

Quote from: P4man on February 11, 2012, 05:44:05 AM

IMO Armory looks very promising, but at this point is still lightyears away from being a proven stable client like what Gavin made. Still, feel free to donate to the developer

considering the fact that it took etotheipi just seven months to get armory to where its now, i think lightyears are not what they used to be. that guy is definitely traveling at warp speed. i think its realistic to hope that armory becomes usable within the next few months. of course, being "proven" is nothing you can rush. but i hope it becomes an alternative full client, because it really has great potential.

Armory is a thin client currently. It uses the Satoshi client as its backend. I think it looks very promising as well, and I'm planning to use it to create a safe offline wallet (because it supports offline transactions natively). But currently it does not implement the Bitcoin protocol, and so the development time put into it cannot be compared to that of bitcoin-qt. It will indeed be interesting too see how long it takes take to implement the core protocol.

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I dont see the issue here. Gavin is very open and careful about implementation of new features to the bitcoin protocal. This is what *everyone* should hope for. Tinkering on the testnet is what its for.

If its the main software your unhappy about go ahead and build another.

I strugle to see an issue with this. Gavin is exactly what we hope for in this software at this time.

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Quote from: P4man on February 11, 2012, 05:44:05 AM

IMO Armory looks very promising, but at this point is still lightyears away from being a proven stable client like what Gavin made. Still, feel free to donate to the developer

considering the fact that it took etotheipi just seven months to get armory to where its now, i think lightyears are not what they used to be. that guy is definitely traveling at warp speed. i think its realistic to hope that armory becomes usable within the next few months. of course, being "proven" is nothing you can rush. but i hope it becomes an alternative full client, because it really has great potential.

still, gavin i think gavin is doing a good job and his conservative approach with security as the main priority is the best choice as long as the original client is without a real alternative.

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There is plenty of opportunity for alternative clients.
Check out Armory:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/armory-discussion-thread-56424

If any of them one day proves to be better, people will switch.

IMO Armory looks very promising, but at this point is still lightyears away from being a proven stable client like what Gavin made. Still, feel free to donate to the developer

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Quote from: Gavin Andresen on February 10, 2012, 08:57:42 PM

If you've got a great business model and funding for a much better bitcoin client, more power to you!

If you're planning on defacing one of the web servers that I haven't been keeping up-to-date (because I'm busy doing Bitcoin-related things) or hacking my gmail account to prove that I'm not The World's Best Security Expert... then I'll save you the trouble:

I am not the World's Best Security Expert.
I am not the World's Best Programmer.
I am not a cryptographer.
I am not an expert on finance or banking or monetary systems.
I am not an expert on leading open source projects.

And I hope someday I get replaced as the technical lead for this project. I'm sure there are lots of people better qualified than me, I'm just doing the best I can to try to help make Bitcoin a success.

Rock on Gavin. You're doing a great job. In the beginning I was also a bit critical of bitcoin development, but it all ended up fine, and you've earned a lot of people's trust.

The best way of getting rid of people like Boss, is to ask him what has he done for bitcoin?

Build a client, improve a client, extend the bitcoin ecosystem, teach people how to use bitcoin.. have something to show except for empty talk and a forum pseudonym.

And doing "more human" stuff is *not* the responsibility of the developers of the satoshi client (or the "lead") in the first place. We make the client. It is up to you, the community, to do something with it. And the bitcoin community has spread way beyond this forum.

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Quote from: Gavin Andresen on February 10, 2012, 08:57:42 PM

Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2012, 06:08:03 PM

I will be justifying my criticism very shortly.

If you've got a great business model and funding for a much better bitcoin client, more power to you!

If you're planning on defacing one of the web servers that I haven't been keeping up-to-date (because I'm busy doing Bitcoin-related things) or hacking my gmail account to prove that I'm not The World's Best Security Expert... then I'll save you the trouble:

I am not the World's Best Security Expert.
I am not the World's Best Programmer.
I am not a cryptographer.
I am not an expert on finance or banking or monetary systems.
I am not an expert on leading open source projects.

And I hope someday I get replaced as the technical lead for this project. I'm sure there are lots of people better qualified than me, I'm just doing the best I can to try to help make Bitcoin a success.

I don't like to see you humble yourself. That's not what I want. I just want to see Bitcoin built to a more human-based direction; especially by perspectives other than my own.

What I am going to do tonight is offer a constructive critique of Bitcoin in its current form. It seems that is what this discussion is lacking.

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Quote from: Jon on February 10, 2012, 06:08:03 PM

I will be justifying my criticism very shortly.

If you've got a great business model and funding for a much better bitcoin client, more power to you!

If you're planning on defacing one of the web servers that I haven't been keeping up-to-date (because I'm busy doing Bitcoin-related things) or hacking my gmail account to prove that I'm not The World's Best Security Expert... then I'll save you the trouble:

I am not the World's Best Security Expert.
I am not the World's Best Programmer.
I am not a cryptographer.
I am not an expert on finance or banking or monetary systems.
I am not an expert on leading open source projects.

And I hope someday I get replaced as the technical lead for this project. I'm sure there are lots of people better qualified than me, I'm just doing the best I can to try to help make Bitcoin a success.

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Quote from: gregwtmtno on February 09, 2012, 01:10:17 AM

I don't think the dev team gets enough credit. Remember that time the client had a security vulnerability and a bunch of people lost their money? Me neither.

+1
I believe Gavin's got his priorities right..
He is definitely not a business person: he s built a 50 million dollar business for the community in less than 3 years Wink

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Quote from: SgtSpike on February 10, 2012, 05:33:34 PM

I don't think there's any reason to call for the resignation of existing teams though. If you don't like Gavin's client, then use a client you do like.

I will be justifying my criticism very shortly.

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I don't think there's any problem with having alternative Bitcoin development teams. If you believe the client can be better, then create a better client. We already have several teams of people developing alternative clients. Armory is quite impressive so far, for one.

I don't think there's any reason to call for the resignation of existing teams though. If you don't like Gavin's client, then use a client you do like.

If you don't like ANY of the existing clients, then sure, start up a fund for an alternative development team. Maybe you can find the right members for a different team that will develop a client to your specifications. But there's no reason to oust Gavin and his team in the process. They can develop their client, and you can develop yours.

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I outlived my lifetime membership:)

Didn't ther used to be a noob filter for this forum?

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Quote from: Jon on February 09, 2012, 11:33:51 PM

This thread is relevant to my original intentions.

Our firm has decided to hold back from revealing ourselves and even accepting clientele for Bitcoins. With the recent addition of talent, we will now be working on Bitcoin software.

I am just an interested party.

Or you essentially lied to get whitelisted and immediately began bashing Gavin and the developers of the software. Yeah, that’s a good way to drum up future customers.

I have not lied. Again, I am just an interested and curious party.

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I am just an interested party. This thread is relevant to my original intentions.

Our firm has decided to hold back from revealing ourselves and even accepting clientele for Bitcoins. With the recent addition of talent, we will now be working on Bitcoin software.

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Quote from: N12 on February 09, 2012, 07:43:48 AM

Atlas, is that you? Grin

I was about to say that! xD

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Quote from: Jon on February 09, 2012, 12:11:15 AM

As a significant shareholder

please, feel free try and promote alternative clients, and to donate to their developers.
I suggest you have a look at:
*Electrum, a lightweight client: http://ecdsa.org/electrum
*libbitcoin: An alternative bitcoin library (for servers): http://libbitcoin.org

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I also find the standard client (for windows) lacks a lot of important features.
Some of them can be set in a config for bitcoind, can I also do that with the windows gui one ?

Just to list a few that I miss

Disable IRC connection
Static list of nodes to connect to
View balance by addresses
Select sender addresses
Import private keys
Register for bitcoin://
Delete incoming addresses (with warning if it contains funds, etc)

However that being said, the program is stable and works well.

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Quote from: Andrew Vorobyov on February 09, 2012, 04:49:27 AM

Have you ever tried funding primary development team? Just curious

Exactly. It is open source and anyone can contribute improvements. So if you can make improvements and/or want to fund people (I'll also do bitcoin client work for BTC) to make improvements, please do so.

We do not need ideas, we need *implemented* ideas.

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as a complete outsider (almost) I have a few BTC, I like it just the way it is!. As a non technical person Its a little cumbersome to use and I appreciate the need to upgrade the security issues so Gavin +1. Anything at all that sounds like the system we are currently in after thousands of years of human development for humans is a no-no for me, ie: "a fund" , "operate like a business", "significant investor", central control, or any association with the current systems malfunctioning terminology or methodology is not helpful . reg.

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